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Post by longsuffering on Oct 4, 2022 13:39:39 GMT -5
Coach Murphy, regardless of 40 years, 35, 30, whatever, showed his smarts. It's the old Disney underpromise and overdeliver or, put another way, heads I win, tails you lose. If we're the best HC team he's seen in his career (and he has lost to HC in the past, just not recently), if the Harvard team loses, well, that's because HC is a top 10 team, best he's seen in his career and they gave it a good fight. If Harvard wins, WOW!!!, isn't my team great?! Turns out, it was the former, not the latter. To his credit, he is a gracious guy both winning and losing. With his seniority, I assume Murphy has strong if not decisive input into the Harvard FB schedule. The HC-Harvard series remains vibrant. This season the Crimson's three OOC opponents were two in-state Catholic colleges and an HBCU school. He's from the Boston area. I relate well to his sensibilities. He left Cincinnati, currently an FBS program - not sure what is was then - to take the Harvard position and stay for a career. I have a HS classmate who got a four year degree and was qualified for a professional position in her field, but couldn't find an opening. She took a temporary support position in another field at Harvard and stayed for her whole career because she said it was a great place to work. My understanding is Holy Cross is also an excellent place to work. I've gotten off track, but on-going relationships with coaches like Murphy, programs like Harvard are a great aspect of Holy Cross football. The grass isn't always greener in leagues that appear currently a little stronger than the PL.
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Post by trimster on Oct 4, 2022 14:01:21 GMT -5
I miss the "Mythical East Indies Football Conference" as the Boston Globe used to call the Major Eastern Independents, even printing the standings of the mythical conference every week. Pitt and West Virginia played nearly every year beginning in 1895. They have played 105 total times, nearly every year until 2011 when Pitt left the Big East for the ACC and WVU left for the Big 12 (I suppose geographically, the Big Ten would have made sense for both but Penn State might not have liked that). They agreed to a 4 game series beginning this year from 2022-2025 and again from 2029-2032 but the 26, 27, and 28 seasons will not feature a "Backyard Brawl" game. It is rather sad to see, especially considering how close this year's contest turned out to be. I suppose if Penn State joined the Big East, things might have turned out differently. Imagine if we had joined the Big East... Far t0o many longstanding rivalries have gone by the boards in recent years. Bedlam, OK vs OSU, being the latest.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2022 14:01:26 GMT -5
Tim Murphy has one of the best jobs in football: in an industry where coaches have to move 10, 15 or more times in a career to earn a living, he's been able to raise a family and live in or near Cambridge for 28 seasons. He's the winningest coach in Harvard football, the winningest in Ivy football, no small accomplishment for either, and a future College Football Hall of Famer. He's had one losing season since 1998.
He recruits kids, they graduate. He's sent 15 alumni to the NFL. He doesn't have to worry about 3:00 am calls that a player has been arrested or got into a fight at a bar. No one is flying planes to fly over the stadium to have him fired. He will go out on his terms. For any college head coach, it's a great place to be.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 4, 2022 14:28:49 GMT -5
Tim Murphy has one of the best jobs in football: in an industry where coaches have to move 10, 15 or more times in a career to earn a living, he's been able to raise a family and live in or near Cambridge for 28 seasons. He's the winningest coach in Harvard football, the winningest in Ivy football, no small accomplishment for either, and a future College Football Hall of Famer. He's had one losing season since 1998. He recruits kids, they graduate. He's sent 15 alumni to the NFL. He doesn't have to worry about 3:00 am calls that a player has been arrested or got into a fight at a bar. No one is flying planes to fly over the stadium to have him fired. He will go out on his terms. For any college head coach, it's a great place to be. ...to further your post, Murphy said this after leaving Cincinnati for Harvard in 1993 -- "Harvard is a unique place. The stability is very appealing. The buildings there have been there for 300 years and they will be there 300 years after Tim Murphy leaves." Smart man. I'm sure he could have moved back to a FBS job throughout his long career at Harvard, but he no doubt got a taste of what that was like at Cincinnati. Flame out at a "big time" school after a bad four year run and you've potentially torpedoed your career. Guys like Tim Murphy and Dick Biddle may have been onto something.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 4, 2022 14:33:10 GMT -5
Hope Murph advises Chesney
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Post by hcpride on Oct 4, 2022 14:35:17 GMT -5
1991 and 2022: Along with Dr. Eddie Anderson, two of the three best coaches in HC FB history? Rick Carter is generally considered (his coaching ability, his recruiting ability, and his staff selection and development) to have been one of our very best FB coaches. Albeit a relatively short and ultimately tragic HC career.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 4, 2022 14:52:33 GMT -5
Hope Murph advises Chesney From your mouth to God's ear. Just yesterday our ball coach and athletic director were talking about Ches and potential landing spots in the MAC, AAC, and ACC. I kindly asked not to count chickens!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 4, 2022 15:34:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being Chesney’s last year at Holy Cross.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 4, 2022 15:36:16 GMT -5
Tim Murphy has one of the best jobs in football: in an industry where coaches have to move 10, 15 or more times in a career to earn a living, he's been able to raise a family and live in or near Cambridge for 28 seasons. He's the winningest coach in Harvard football, the winningest in Ivy football, no small accomplishment for either, and a future College Football Hall of Famer. He's had one losing season since 1998. He recruits kids, they graduate. He's sent 15 alumni to the NFL. He doesn't have to worry about 3:00 am calls that a player has been arrested or got into a fight at a bar. No one is flying planes to fly over the stadium to have him fired. He will go out on his terms. For any college head coach, it's a great place to be. ...to further your post, Murphy said this after leaving Cincinnati for Harvard in 1993 -- "Harvard is a unique place. The stability is very appealing. The buildings there have been there for 300 years and they will be there 300 years after Tim Murphy leaves." Smart man. I'm sure he could have moved back to a FBS job throughout his long career at Harvard, but he no doubt got a taste of what that was like at Cincinnati. Flame out at a "big time" school after a bad four year run and you've potentially torpedoed your career. Guys like Tim Murphy and Dick Biddle may have been onto something. And Ralph Willard. If only Pitino had been able to keep it in his pants at that Italian restaurant, RW might just now be winding down his run at Holy Cross.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 4, 2022 15:41:50 GMT -5
Hope Murph advises Chesney To leave HC and go to Harvard when Murph leaves?😱
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 4, 2022 15:52:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being Chesney’s last year at Holy Cross. Only if I am flying to Frisco in Jan. for a game vs Montana or NDSU!!
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Post by bikeman on Oct 4, 2022 15:56:35 GMT -5
Next head coach at Notre Dame, although I hope he stays and builds HC into a national power.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 4, 2022 16:01:27 GMT -5
Next head coach at Notre Dame, although I hope he stays and builds HC into a national power. Notre Dame is absolutely going to give their current rookie HC three years before they make a move. The giant elephant in the room — how much rope does Hafley have at BC? This is year three.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 4, 2022 16:05:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if this ends up being Chesney’s last year at Holy Cross. All depends on what he wants and what’s important to him. He could coach at HC for the next 15-20 years, and then step aside as head coach and become athletic director, if he wanted to. Making somewhere around $350K - $400K (bonuses / incentives included) / year in Worcester gives you a pretty comfortable lifestyle. Chesney is obviously a competitor. The thought of doing what a guy like Brian Kelly did (Grand Valley to LSU) and making beaucoup dollars is pretty darn appealing. There’s inherently more risk, though. If he’s going to leave HC, it’s not going to be to jump at the first FBS program that makes him an offer. He’s a smart and savvy enough guy that it has to be the right situation. Countless examples of guys who’ve jumped at a head coaching job to have totally fizzled out. Exhibit A: Bob Diaco. Left Notre Dame for UConn. Now he’s the defensive line coach for the NJ Generals (didn’t know there was such a team).
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 4, 2022 16:08:41 GMT -5
Hey, the guy just signed a contract extension (5 years, I think). He's happy and loves the players and the College. Sure he'll eventually move on but if I had to bet, it won't be until and if the Crusaders become a national champ. How old is Murphy? I could see BC eventually becoming his successor at Harvard. For a kid from PA, I suspect he's thrilled to be coaching at a great academic institution like Holy Cross and Harvard would be his next logical step up the ranks. Notre Dame? Maybe. He's proven himself at every successive level.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 4, 2022 16:12:26 GMT -5
Zero shot Chesney is leaving Holy Cross for Harvard. He’s proved enough IMO that his next stop will be an FBS head coaching gig. And not of the UCONN or UMASS variety either. He’s too smart to leave for the equivalent of a Fordham MBB coach position, to make the analogy.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 4, 2022 16:21:33 GMT -5
You do remember the original NJ Generals of Hershel Walker and Donald Trump fame, right? Dave Boisture played for them in '83 and Frank Mattiace in '84-'85 via Holy Cross.
Totally different team ownership now.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 4, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
Zero shot Chesney is leaving Holy Cross for Harvard. He’s proved enough IMO that his next stop will be an FBS head coaching gig. And not of the UCONN or UMASS variety either. He’s too smart to leave for the equivalent of a Fordham MBB coach position, to make the analogy. Boston College? He may realize the PL (especially the nonsense non-medical redshirt ban) blocks his/our national championship ambitions so this year (with our plethora of Covid 5th year seniors) is his very best shot. (Am I the only one who has noticed the numerous HC 5th year seniors haven’t damaged our academic reputation?)
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 4, 2022 16:36:13 GMT -5
I didn't say that he's leaving HC for Harvard, now, or the immediate future. Don't you think Murphy gets paid a good buck and has job security that most coaches, even FBS coaches, can only dream of? Not every coach wants to roll the dice for big bucks and be fired and there's an enormous prestige element to Harvard and he probably wouldn't even have to move or very far.
Anyway, he's not going anywhere soon.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 4, 2022 17:15:37 GMT -5
What is Coach Chesney’s salary now? I’d love to see us pay him at top of FCS scale to keep him at HC. Murphy is likely very well paid at Harvard but I’ll bet he has turned down some opportunities to make more since he has been at Harvard. For some people there’s a real appeal to stability . You like your house, neighbors, parish, etc and want to keep on keeping on. I don’t know Coach Chesney but pray he has that mindset
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 4, 2022 17:41:46 GMT -5
1991 and 2022: Along with Dr. Eddie Anderson, two of the three best coaches in HC FB history? Rick Carter is generally considered (his coaching ability, his recruiting ability, and his staff selection and development) to have been one of our very best FB coaches. Albeit a relatively short and ultimately tragic HC career. I forgot Coach Carter. He definitely is on Mt. Rushmore with the others. The program didn't really recover from the lost hepatitis season until Carter arrived.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 4, 2022 21:31:59 GMT -5
It'll be interesting....the logical next move for Chez would be Chestnut Hill (follwing Salve to Assumption to HC etc) but I'm not sure BC can win in the ACC in this NIL college football world these days. Would he want to take that chance or will he be comfortable (like Murphy at Hahhvid) to stay at a position at one of the best FCS jobs in the country in terms of quality of life i.e. great facilities, great kids to coach, great alumni support etc etc
I think he's at HC for a bit. How long? Who knows but I just don't see him leaving what he's developed at HC to take a head job at a G5 FBS program or a coordinator position at a P5 program in the near future. Again though, who knows?
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Post by HC92 on Oct 4, 2022 22:05:21 GMT -5
I think we should make it as hard as we can for some FCS or lower level FBS program to lure him away. An ACC job making a lot more money would be tough to turn down. I know FCS coaches rarely make that kind of leap but Chesney may be an exception. His ability to win a lot almost immediately everywhere he has gone is remarkable.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 5, 2022 6:52:43 GMT -5
That is not hard to do if there is a will to do so by the decision makers. Many of them have experience in receiving creative packages throughout their careers.
Attractive packages can put him at the top or near the top of FCS coaches with a variety of incentives that can be deferred comp or paid at the time that get close to a school in the middle of FBS
This might include a second pay game or upgrade to the current schedule, a need to grow the CAF and momentum, and of course other items coach/staff believe are important to sustainable success.
Let's enjoy what appears to be a special season, have the Administration promote and advertise the academic and athletic achievements, keep the energy of 90 Wide alive and well as it benefits players and staff, and grow the annual fund, estate activity, and the CAF/Momentum programs.
Make it long term with the appropriate buyout language and
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Post by efg72 on Oct 5, 2022 7:06:01 GMT -5
I think we should make it as hard as we can for some FCS or lower level FBS program to lure him away. An ACC job making a lot more money would be tough to turn down. I know FCS coaches rarely make that kind of leap but Chesney may be an exception. His ability to win a lot almost immediately everywhere he has gone is remarkable. Chesney is a true leader that inspires, teaches, and cares about each individual on the team- players, families, coaches, staff, the students and the fans/community, and alumni. He is authentic and those around him know it. Enjoy the moment and with some luck we make HC a place that he and his family treasure. Why does he succeed immediately?? He is a great listener, a skill so many of the leaders today lack. He engages every player to have a role that makes the team better-they all believe they are valued, and he gets them to commit their mind, body, and soul to the effort. Destroy Bucknell!!!
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