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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2022 14:03:02 GMT -5
Here are the scores and opponents The UMass win could be comparable to this season’s Buffalo win. some close games, one in Ireland That was the season when Ciaccio passed for over 3000 and Jerome Fuller set a school record, rushing for 1465. We have played only 5 games, but any thoughts ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Holy_Cross_Crusaders_football_team
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Post by hcpride on Oct 2, 2022 14:14:36 GMT -5
Interesting Question.
That year (1991) we got as high as 3. Defeated only one Top Twenty team (Lehigh, ranked 19, score 43-42). Didn’t play any of the playoff teams. We did stay at 3 the last 5-6 weeks.
We hit that number (3) and go regular season undefeated, there’s an argument. IMHO
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 2, 2022 14:19:40 GMT -5
Are the ranks on the wikipedia page rank at the time of the game or end of the season?
While I was not yet following HC football at that time (I could have been in theory but not have memory of it!), I know the East had a number of strong teams while the FCS seems to have shifted West by the 2000s with the Big Sky and MVFC taking over. That being said, it does not appear we played (only based on ranking) many difficult teams other than ranked Lehigh and possibly the Ivies.
Would an 11-0 mark no matter of rank overshadow 1991? I don't know the answer to that question but I think it could be close. Need to go undefeated each week and worry about this after the season, I would think.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2022 14:27:18 GMT -5
Good points Perhaps this season is similar with Fordham being comparable to Lehigh and Harvard-Yale similar to Harvard-Dartmouth-Penn and Brown. Perhaps some of those Ivies are comparable to Merrimack and Bryant ?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 2, 2022 19:51:14 GMT -5
Am I remembering correctly that 1991 was the last season of scholarships and only the seniors were on scholarship? Or was it the last year of a full complement of scholarships for all classes?
If 1991 had less scholarships than 2022, that would be a feather in their cap. This year's schedule might be tougher but we haven't gone undefeated yet.
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 2, 2022 20:03:21 GMT -5
1991 team only had Seniors on scholarship. PL prob better back then - to some extent - but it’s all debatable.
1991 team didn’t have a Buffalo type win and Ivies are better now than they were then.
Two great teams.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2022 20:06:55 GMT -5
How good was UMass in 1991 ?
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 2, 2022 20:09:50 GMT -5
They were solid. So was BU.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 2, 2022 20:24:01 GMT -5
They were solid. So was BU. Not really dh. Both were 4-7 in '91, and UMass didn't get good until '98 under Whip when they won the 1AA title.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 2, 2022 20:45:27 GMT -5
Interesting question.... '91 was a solid team obviously, but the schedule wasn't that daunting....the Dartmouth (Ivy champ) and Lehigh games were probably the best wins.
Met a couple guys on that team yesterday at the Harvard tailgate....great guys.
I think this year's team is deepahh but it's hard to argue against 11-0 until this year's team matches that.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 2, 2022 21:14:41 GMT -5
According to the Harvard announcers, Tim Murphy said this was the best Holy Cross team he had seen in his forty years of coaching, but he didn't get to Harvard until 1994.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 2, 2022 22:00:22 GMT -5
According to the Harvard announcers, Tim Murphy said this was the best Holy Cross team he had seen in his forty years of coaching, but he didn't get to Harvard until 1994. Murph was at Maine from 1986-1988 as OC and HC but they did not play Holy Cross. I do not know if he would have "seen" HC but I would think the 1987 would top the list (again who knows let's reasses after the season). In 1991, Murphy was leading a fledgling Cincy program and probably didn't see much if any of HC. Anywho...
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2022 22:25:27 GMT -5
Really? You are taking what he said literally?
Is it just possible that he just means that this is the best Holy Cross team in many years? 40 years is likely just an expression (exaggeration even).
We are having a great year - so far. Let’s enjoy it and continue to support our guys.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 3, 2022 7:21:06 GMT -5
The number "40" has the symbolic meaning of "a long period of time." That can be seen in scripture (the rains of the flood, Jesus fasting in the desert, the Jews wandering in the desert, etc.). It is also used that way in the writings of Joseph Campbell and at the Jung Institute in Zurich. Don't take it too literally.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 3, 2022 7:33:59 GMT -5
Having been an HC fan for the entire Duffner era and very close to the program during my years as a student, I will say that I don’t think the 1991 team was the best of the Duffner teams despite the 11-0 record. Almost impossible to compare teams from different eras.
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 3, 2022 7:39:58 GMT -5
Having been an HC fan for the entire Duffner era and very close to the program during my years as a student, I will say that I don’t think the 1991 team was the best of the Duffner teams despite the 11-0 record. Almost impossible to compare teams from different eras. 100% agree.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 3, 2022 7:49:50 GMT -5
Having been an HC fan for the entire Duffner era and very close to the program during my years as a student, I will say that I don’t think the 1991 team was the best of the Duffner teams despite the 11-0 record. Almost impossible to compare teams from different eras. Good point, but I think the OP is looking at the undefeated 1991 team as the most recent 5-0 start. An interesting comparator at this point. He’s not suggesting that was our strongest FCS/1-AA team. Those FCS/1-AA HC teams that hit #1/#2 in the regular season (prior to the ‘91 team) were, IMHO, stronger than ‘91. (‘83, ‘86, ‘87 come immediately to mind).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 3, 2022 8:23:56 GMT -5
While before my time, I know that the 1987 team is often considered one of the best 1AA / FCS teams in history.
Not one competitive game all season and scored more than 40 points in nine of 11 games.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 3, 2022 8:48:40 GMT -5
While before my time, I know that the 1987 team is often considered one of the best 1AA / FCS teams in history. Not one competitive game all season and scored more than 40 points in nine of 11 games. I've read a number of articles and write-ups over the years about the 1987 squad. I've watched highlights of the televised Villanova game online. For those of you following the team at the time, was their any bitterness at the lack of playoffs or was there simply great pride and optimism of the undefeated season? Go Cross! Beat Bucknell!
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Post by hcpride on Oct 3, 2022 8:57:23 GMT -5
While before my time, I know that the 1987 team is often considered one of the best 1AA / FCS teams in history. Not one competitive game all season and scored more than 40 points in nine of 11 games. I've read a number of articles and write-ups over the years about the 1987 squad. I've watched highlights of the televised Villanova game online. For those of you following the team at the time, was their any bitterness at the lack of playoffs or was there simply great pride and optimism of the undefeated season? Go Cross! Beat Bucknell! A somewhat similar thing occurred the previous year (I think we were undefeated and tied #2 nationally heading into the ‘86 BC blowout). So there were many mixed emotions regarding our great team and the demise of the BC game and the playoff non-participation in ‘87. But, we were PL champs for those who cared about that.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 3, 2022 8:59:44 GMT -5
Two inferior teams played for the national championship that year.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 3, 2022 9:03:40 GMT -5
While before my time, I know that the 1987 team is often considered one of the best 1AA / FCS teams in history. Not one competitive game all season and scored more than 40 points in nine of 11 games. I've read a number of articles and write-ups over the years about the 1987 squad. I've watched highlights of the televised Villanova game online. For those of you following the team at the time, was their any bitterness at the lack of playoffs or was there simply great pride and optimism of the undefeated season? Go Cross! Beat Bucknell! Not really sure of all the players/coaches at the time but I think although there was great pride in going undefeated and winning the Lambert Cup there was more disappointment in not playing BC that year moreso than not going to the playoffs. As great as that '87 team was, it's a shame they were nevah really tested by a very solid FBS or FCS team. We beat (actually smoked) some solid teams that year but no one who was that strong i.e. Top 10 FCS or a solid FBS team like BC or Syracuse etc
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 3, 2022 9:58:21 GMT -5
I've read a number of articles and write-ups over the years about the 1987 squad. I've watched highlights of the televised Villanova game online. For those of you following the team at the time, was their any bitterness at the lack of playoffs or was there simply great pride and optimism of the undefeated season? Go Cross! Beat Bucknell! Not really sure of all the players/coaches at the time but I think although there was great pride in going undefeated and winning the Lambert Cup there was more disappointment in not playing BC that year moreso than not going to the playoffs. As great as that '87 team was, it's a shame they were nevah really tested by a very solid FBS or FCS team. We beat (actually smoked) some solid teams that year but no one who was that strong i.e. Top 10 FCS or a solid FBS team like BC or Syracuse etc Would 5-6 Army (first game of the season so I suppose it was all 0-0) have been the "toughest" opponent? I forgot about the Lambert Cup--a great accomplishment. That gets me a little more excited these days than some of the PL games...but you don't get the LC without winning the PL games I guess.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2022 10:08:30 GMT -5
Is the Lambert Cup still given ?
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 3, 2022 10:15:31 GMT -5
Is the Lambert Cup still given ? JMU won the Lambert Cup in 2019 and 2020. I do not know who won the trophy in 2021, although JMU went furthest into the playoffs of any Eastern team and finished with the highest rank East of the Mississippi.
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