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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 11, 2022 16:42:26 GMT -5
I think the possibility of HC finding itself in the same bracket as Sacramento State is increasing. I can even see the selection committee going out of its way to make this happen. The NCAA loves human interest stories.
Perhaps, Kit and Bob Chesney ought to start thinking of ways of commemorate Sacramento State's 1969 season with a helmet decal or uniform patch Just in case.
(For newbies, when HC had to cancel the 1969 season because of hepatitis Sacramento State took up the purple banner, so to speak. On its last game of season, Sacramento State wore Holy Cross' uniforms.)
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 11, 2022 17:22:04 GMT -5
Really ? you think the selection committee (many of whom are less than 53 yrs old) would tweak the bracket that way ? I say there's zero chance of that especially when the brackets are set up to reduce travel as much as possible and FSC playoff games in cold weather do not draw well, i.e. revenue is minimal.
A sentimental concept, Phreek but I don't see it
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 11, 2022 17:55:54 GMT -5
Guarantee you no one on the selection committee even knows what went on 20 years ago, let alone 53.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 11, 2022 19:34:40 GMT -5
Pp, come on. You think the playoff committee is taking something that happened in 1969 into account when seeding the 2022 playoffs? Please.
No one outside of our little bubble knows about this story, as great as it is.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Oct 11, 2022 19:37:47 GMT -5
An unrelated story, but Dan Shaughnessy, in a recent column, told a story of Denis Eckersley riding to Fenway with a couple of young Red Sox players. He was talking about Ted Williams, and neither player had any idea who Ted Williams was.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 11, 2022 19:50:43 GMT -5
I always wonder what Bill Whitton did with the rest of his life. Did nothing but coach football after Ww2 and college. Never coached again after 1970. Lived another 37 years.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 11, 2022 19:54:49 GMT -5
Both teams started 6-0 in 1991, just sayin'. That being said, I have no idea how the Big Sky will shake out. Sac State has a tough but winnable matchup at home vs Montana. Massey has them at 57%, 30-27. The most difficult matchup will be at Weber State, 49% 26-27. Weber also has both Montana and Montana St. Montana and Montana St. Play each other last game every year. In the MVFC, SDSU and NDSU play this week.
Lot of time for top 6 teams to beat up on each other. Chances are a 2 loss team from that group still may get a seed, but will probably be traveling after round 2. As everyone says, games aren't played on paper. Let's take care of business each week and see where the pieces fall.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 11, 2022 20:10:30 GMT -5
I always wonder what Bill Whitton did with the rest of his life. Did nothing but coach football after Ww2 and college. Never coached again after 1970. Lived another 37 years. His obituary says after Holy Cross he coached HS football in North Plainfield NJ and taught social studies and later coached at St Pius HS in Piscataway NJ
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 11, 2022 20:19:02 GMT -5
A bit dated but I posted years ago about a business trip I took with a co-worker/classmate to Sacramento about 15 years ago. My classmate was on the hepatitis football team. One of our business associates who lived in Sacramento was a Sac State grad pretty connected to the school and we got a tour of the football facilities and met the AD and one of the assistant football coaches. Neither was there in ‘69 but they all knew the story and would have loved to play HC then but said it was a question of finances if HC would pay for their trip east (!).
I talked to the AD from HC who shall remain nameless and he indicated that was a non-starter and our coach at the time, also not being named, didn’t want to make any west coast trips as a few had been played by his successor without a lot of success and felt the trips were too long and too much time from class if I recall correctly.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 11, 2022 20:29:58 GMT -5
Actually if we both win out and others above us lose, we could be a 3-6 or 4-5 game in the quarterfinals
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 11, 2022 20:36:27 GMT -5
Actually if we both win out and others above us lose, we could be a 3-6 or 4-5 game in the quarterfinals 🙏 we just have to do our part and win out. But yes, I can see that! The winner of the dakota state schools will probably be #1 the rest of the season and the 1 loss team remaining from the Weber, Montana, Montana St, Sac State mess will most likely be #2.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 11, 2022 20:57:19 GMT -5
A bit dated but I posted years ago about a business trip I took with a co-worker/classmate to Sacramento about 15 years ago. My classmate was on the hepatitis football team. One of our business associates who lived in Sacramento was a Sac State grad pretty connected to the school and we got a tour of the football facilities and met the AD and one of the assistant football coaches. Neither was there in ‘69 but they all knew the story and would have loved to play HC then but said it was a question of finances if HC would pay for their trip east (!). I talked to the AD from HC who shall remain nameless and he indicated that was a non-starter and our coach at the time, also not being named, didn’t want to make any west coast trips as a few had been played by his successor without a lot of success and felt the trips were too long and too much time from class if I recall correctly. Their team captains came to the Worcester Auditorium, wearing a HC football jersey, and received a long and loud applause from the crowd at a HC basketball game -don’t recall who we were playing, but it was a special event.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 11, 2022 21:06:33 GMT -5
And co-captains Tom Lamb and Bill Moncevicz went out to Sac State final game against Puget Sound and were given the game ball (Sac State won and wore HC jerseys).
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 11, 2022 21:07:52 GMT -5
And co-captains Tom Lamb and Bill Moncevicz went out to Sac State final game against Puget Sound and were given the game ball (Sac State won and wore HC jerseys). Does anyone have photos of this game? Must be some pretty special memories. Go Cross
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 11, 2022 21:18:13 GMT -5
A bit dated but I posted years ago about a business trip I took with a co-worker/classmate to Sacramento about 15 years ago. My classmate was on the hepatitis football team. One of our business associates who lived in Sacramento was a Sac State grad pretty connected to the school and we got a tour of the football facilities and met the AD and one of the assistant football coaches. Neither was there in ‘69 but they all knew the story and would have loved to play HC then but said it was a question of finances if HC would pay for their trip east (!). I talked to the AD from HC who shall remain nameless and he indicated that was a non-starter and our coach at the time, also not being named, didn’t want to make any west coast trips as a few had been played by his successor without a lot of success and felt the trips were too long and too much time from class if I recall correctly. Their team captains came to the Worcester Auditorium, wearing a HC football jersey, and received a long and loud applause from the crowd at a HC basketball game -don’t recall who we were playing, but it was a special event. HC game was against Yale. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/holy-cross/1970-schedule.html
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Post by efg72 on Oct 11, 2022 21:19:32 GMT -5
The schools should have pictures i will call each athletic office on Friday
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 11, 2022 21:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 11, 2022 21:58:03 GMT -5
The schools should have pictures i will call each athletic office on Friday The December 19, 1969 edition of “The Crusader” has the article on page 8, regarding the recognition ceremonies to Sacramento State, at the O’Melia Awards dinner, as well as a presentation to Mike Carter, Sacramento State Football Captain, before the Yale basketball game. As you can see while reading the newspaper, it was a turbulent and tumultuous week at HC. crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2844&context=crusader
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 12, 2022 6:27:02 GMT -5
With respect to travel and the brackets, six of the eight highest ranked teams in the current coaches poll are west of the Mississippi. If those eight teams are all ranked #1- #8 at season's end (they won't be but for the sake of a hypothesis) and each has the first round bye, and each wins their second round game, then I believe it much more likely than not that HC would travel west of the Mississippi for its quarterfinal game.
Of the schools ranked #1 though #6, three are from the Big Sky Conference and three are from the Missouri Valley Conference. (Jackson State is likely to opt for the Celebration Bowl in Atlanta because of the big $ payout.)
Two of the quarterfinal games are on a Friday night. Two are on Saturday, December 10.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 12, 2022 7:13:19 GMT -5
The schools should have pictures i will call each athletic office on Friday The December 19, 1969 edition of “The Crusader” has the article on page 8, regarding the recognition ceremonies to Sacramento State, at the O’Melia Arabs dinner, as well as a presentation to Mike Carter, Sacramento State Football Captain, before the Yale basketball game. As you can see while reading the newspaper, it was a turbulent and tumultuous week at HC crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2844&context=crusaderThanks, Crucis! This is awesome. I love reading some of the other articles as well. One of my colleagues was on the Hill at that time as well as a mentor from grad school. Both have spoken lovingly about their time on the hill but also about the uncertainty of the late 60's on campus. Two great articles.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 12, 2022 7:14:57 GMT -5
With respect to travel and the brackets, six of the eight highest ranked teams in the current coaches poll are west of the Mississippi. If those eight teams are all ranked #1- #8 at season's end (they won't be but for the sake of a hypothesis) and each has the first round bye, and each wins their second round game, then I believe it much more likely than not that HC would travel west of the Mississippi for its quarterfinal game. Of the schools ranked #1 though #6, three are from the Big Sky Conference and three are from the Missouri Valley Conference. (Jackson State is likely to opt for the Celebration Bowl in Atlanta because of the big $ payout.) Two of the quarterfinal games are on a Friday night. Two are on Saturday, December 10. It will be fascinating to see how things shake out. It will be interesting to see how many 2 loss teams from the MVFC and Big Sky are seeded (maybe only 1 or 2) and how many 1 loss teams from the CAA/Southland, etc. receive a seed. Have a great morning everyone!
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Post by alum on Oct 12, 2022 7:44:00 GMT -5
The schools should have pictures i will call each athletic office on Friday The December 19, 1969 edition of “The Crusader” has the article on page 8, regarding the recognition ceremonies to Sacramento State, at the O’Melia Arabs dinner, as well as a presentation to Mike Carter, Sacramento State Football Captain, before the Yale basketball game. As you can see while reading the newspaper, it was a turbulent and tumultuous week at HC crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2844&context=crusaderEvery time I look at an old issue of the Crusader to check out some sports story, I end up checking out the entire issue. Today, that interrupted my morning coffee and sent me to the next issue to see the followup on the GE story. Here is the link crossworks.holycross.edu/crusader/1500/There was no internet and no Crosssports in those days , so alumni reaction involved letters to the editor.Check out the letter from a 1965 grad which,as I read it, takes the position that the white students were wronged. He threatens to withhold his donations, as alumni continue to do today. Also look at the letter from Joseph Reilly '55 who uses a rape metaphor to describe the college's treatment by the student protesters. (He also suggests that actual rape victims entice their attackers by the way they dress although he does note that the rapist is the one who "loses virtue.") Research suggests that Mr. Reilly was the grandfather of the woman who wrote the Fenwick Review piece which we debated a few years ago. Also take a look at the interesting letter by Mike Falivena '63. At some point, I have to read about last night's playoff games. Any chance the Yankees lost?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 12, 2022 7:47:28 GMT -5
My notation above was changed by the auto correct feature in IOS regarding the O’Melia Awards. I have corrected in the original post.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 12, 2022 9:53:59 GMT -5
The December 19, 1969 edition of “The Crusader” has the article on page 8, regarding the recognition ceremonies to Sacramento State, at the O’Melia Arabs dinner, as well as a presentation to Mike Carter, Sacramento State Football Captain, before the Yale basketball game. As you can see while reading the newspaper, it was a turbulent and tumultuous week at HC crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2844&context=crusaderEvery time I look at an old issue of the Crusader to check out some sports story, I end up checking out the entire issue. Today, that interrupted my morning coffee and sent me to the next issue to see the followup on the GE story. Here is the link crossworks.holycross.edu/crusader/1500/There was no internet and no Crosssports in those days , so alumni reaction involved letters to the editor.Check out the letter from a 1965 grad which,as I read it, takes the position that the white students were wronged. He threatens to withhold his donations, as alumni continue to do today. Also look at the letter from Joseph Reilly '55 who uses a rape metaphor to describe the college's treatment by the student protesters. (He also suggests that actual rape victims entice their attackers by the way they dress although he does note that the rapist is the one who "loses virtue.") Research suggests that Mr. Reilly was the grandfather of the woman who wrote the Fenwick Review piece which we debated a few years ago. Also take a look at the interesting letter by Mike Falivena '63. At some point, I have to read about last night's playoff games. Any chance the Yankees lost? History's mirror does not always reflect well on the College, or the students, or even apparently, its alumni. IIRC, the 1907 Purple Patcher yearbook has a frontispiece for the section on the Minstrel Club (some of whose members performed in blackface) that I would hope to think would have been viewed as a racist caricature over 100 years ago, but apparently not.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 12, 2022 11:10:28 GMT -5
The schools should have pictures i will call each athletic office on Friday The December 19, 1969 edition of “The Crusader” has the article on page 8, regarding the recognition ceremonies to Sacramento State, at the O’Melia Awards dinner, as well as a presentation to Mike Carter, Sacramento State Football Captain, before the Yale basketball game. As you can see while reading the newspaper, it was a turbulent and tumultuous week at HC. crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2844&context=crusaderOk, I read the account of the Yale game......written by Bob McChesney.......anyone remember him?
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