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Dec 4, 2022 14:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 4, 2022 14:27:36 GMT -5
As far as I know there's not a single person on Crossports who knows what Chesney's contract (they're not all the same) says or what he's thinking. It's all idle speculation. 99.5% of what is on Crossports is idle speculation.....or worse!
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2022 14:39:19 GMT -5
Or better
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 15:37:35 GMT -5
Post by trimster on Dec 4, 2022 15:37:35 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic, repeating themes I've read here often. As Deion Sanders just told his team, if a coach isn't elevated, he's terminated. You move up to the better opportunity when you have the opportunity, because it may not present itself again. Honestly, if Chesney was satisfied to be our head coach forever, I'd question his drive. These guys, like top athletes, get to where they are by always wanting to be better than the next guy and proving it at continually higher levels. Exactly. Beating up on PL teams isn't going to satisfy the competitive spirit Bob Chesney surely has, for much longer. When he does leave, the thing HC has to do is continue the success he and his staff have created and not make it a one-off like the Willard Era in basketball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2022 15:50:50 GMT -5
As far as I know there's not a single person on Crossports who knows what Chesney's contract (they're not all the same) says or what he's thinking. It's all idle speculation. 99.5% of what is on Crossports is idle speculation.....or worse! I think I make more than 0.5% of the posts on this forum.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 4, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
Depending who offers Chesney HC should match it. With reason.
He brings HC money by people going to the games. If you go up to practice on the top of the hill this week or any week he will come over and talk to you. How many coaches you know would do that.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 4, 2022 16:53:04 GMT -5
You don't even have to come to a practice for him to talk to you! IMHO, I agree with those who say that while he won't be with us forever, he's not going anywhere anytime soon. He's a family man and his kids have essentially lived in Worcester all their aware lifetimes. Worcester is "home" for he and his family. He values Holy Cross where "you can have it all." He also has a deep commitment to his players. Money, of course, is important to him but recall the story that when he was hired, he supposedly did so with the proviso that his own salary would be a little smaller so that his assistant coaches could have a larger pot of money for their salaries. That's not someone who puts money first. We'll see.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 4, 2022 17:03:25 GMT -5
Crossisback
I think we double his current salary, with playoff incentives, extend him through through 2030, and add a reasonable buy out for the next school to hire him
Make a commitment to add 5th year players immediately with or without PL approval Make a commitment to move football to the CAA by 2024 if the PL won't upgrade football from top to bottom By 2024 salaries for assistant coaches will be equal to the Group 5 FBS programs Fix the other issues he needs resolved
He is Holy Cross, gets Holy Cross, is great with students, parents, and alumni, and most importantly he appears to want to coach HC student-athletes- he is family
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Dec 4, 2022 17:15:55 GMT -5
Post by gks on Dec 4, 2022 17:15:55 GMT -5
Many look at Chesney's situation here at Holy Cross with purple lenses, which is expected.
He will eventually get an offer he can't refuse. Like Duffner did. Holy Cross will not be able to match the money. It would be the upset of the century IMO if he stayed longer than a year or two more. He has marketed HC football, and himself at the same time, into the national football landscape. And with every win he becomes more well known.
All of this is OK. It's a good thing to have a hot coaching commodity.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 4, 2022 17:18:30 GMT -5
Agree, but no reason we shouldn't compensate him fairly for what he has accomplished. When he leaves it will because he wants a different challenge and his family is ready as well- just an opinion
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 17:27:23 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Dec 4, 2022 17:27:23 GMT -5
Many look at Chesney's situation here at Holy Cross with purple lenses, which is expected. He will eventually get an offer he can't refuse. Like Duffner did. Holy Cross will not be able to match the money. It would be the upset of the century IMO if he stayed longer than a year or two more. He has marketed HC football, and himself at the same time, into the national football landscape. And with every win he becomes more well known. All of this is OK. It's a good thing to have a hot coaching commodity. Agree and guys like him know one not-so-great season and NOBODY wants you to move on up to their school. He also knows the odds of a stronger season are essentially zilch (we are, after all, 12-0) so each season after this one carries risk for him if he wants to continue to climb to stronger programs.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 4, 2022 17:32:05 GMT -5
I’m not so pessimistic about our chances next season
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Post by efg72 on Dec 4, 2022 17:40:15 GMT -5
Question
How many posters would have made the same commitment to the CAF, entertain supporting momentum, if it existed without Chesney, and 90 wide, invested additional dollars for other sports, or would have continued purchasing season tickets if Chesney and staff weren't here?
He resurrected football and a realization by alums, well at least those on Crossports that all HC sports need to be fixed. Some like women’s hoops appear to be making progress but the others need significant help.
He deserves everything he, his program, Kit, and the school need. And they deserve it now.
While I sense I am Persona Non Grata for wanting to bolt the PL for a better future for all Holy Cross sports (the PL schools are not our peer group for applicants), there is no need to have academics and athletics joined at the hip in the PL. We are a proud institution of values, tradition, character, and a commitment to academic superiority, athletic excellence and spiritual growth and we must define our own path for the future.
Thanks for listening on a Sunday evening, and I promise this is my last post on this critical topic, but unlikely to be my final words with the school.
Go Cross be great again on Saturday!!!
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 17:46:28 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2022 17:46:28 GMT -5
Many look at Chesney's situation here at Holy Cross with purple lenses, which is expected. He will eventually get an offer he can't refuse. Like Duffner did. Holy Cross will not be able to match the money. It would be the upset of the century IMO if he stayed longer than a year or two more. He has marketed HC football, and himself at the same time, into the national football landscape. And with every win he becomes more well known. All of this is OK. It's a good thing to have a hot coaching commodity. Agree and guys like him know one not-so-great season and NOBODY wants you to move on up to their school. He also knows the odds of a stronger season are essentially zilch (we are, after all, 12-0) so each season after this one carries risk for him if he wants to continue to climb to stronger programs. Mostly agree but we’re going to be very good again next year with Sluka a year older and Dobbs presumably back. We’re playing BC and Army next year and either of those would be a great resume win. I would make next year the year he is most likely to leave. Or maybe we open the vault and make it really hard for him to go soon. He is seemingly the perfect coach for us. Can a bunch of alums get some cash together and give him an NIL deal?
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 17:56:44 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Dec 4, 2022 17:56:44 GMT -5
All things are possible if we change our mindset to find meaningful and realistic solutions to academic superiority and athletic excellence.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 18:00:00 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Dec 4, 2022 18:00:00 GMT -5
I’m not so pessimistic about our chances next season Better than 12-0?
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Post by cmo on Dec 4, 2022 18:00:20 GMT -5
One difference between Duff leaving and Ches possibly leaving : Duff left as school was starting to de-emphasize football.
Feels like we’re now emphasizing it.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 18:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Dec 4, 2022 18:04:14 GMT -5
Agree and guys like him know one not-so-great season and NOBODY wants you to move on up to their school. He also knows the odds of a stronger season are essentially zilch (we are, after all, 12-0) so each season after this one carries risk for him if he wants to continue to climb to stronger programs. Mostly agree but we’re going to be very good again next year with Sluka a year older and Dobbs presumably back. We’re playing BC and Army next year and either of those would be a great resume win. I would make next year the year he is most likely to leave. Or maybe we open the vault and make it really hard for him to go soon. He is seemingly the perfect coach for us. Can a bunch of alums get some cash together and give him an NIL deal? Tough to improve on 12-0. It is true Sluka and Dobbs back [and uninjured] means we’ll do very well again v our FCS competition. Even without the same level of 5th-year contributions.
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Post by cmo on Dec 4, 2022 18:05:37 GMT -5
Way to improve on 12-0?
By beating BC
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2022 18:17:06 GMT -5
Have we done a wellness check on unhfan? Getting worried about my guy.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2022 18:41:08 GMT -5
One thing I thought we did really well yesterday was avoiding the stupid 15 yard penalties. There was plenty of chirping and extracurricular stuff but HC was very smart in most of those situations and did a nice job drawing some 15 yarders on UNH without retaliating. HC had 5 penalties for 30 yards. I think we had a chop block and a personal foul but UNH had an offsetting personal foul on the same plays so I don’t think those counted.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 20:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Dec 4, 2022 20:13:11 GMT -5
The offsetting personal foul was interesting. That was play Skuka got helmet kicked off and ran into endzone. I was at game and didn’t get a look at replay. Was it targeting?
Also, you can see why they now blow play dead when a helmet comes of of a player in possession of the ball. Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that Sluka would have kept running to endzone even if there had been a strong safety there?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 4, 2022 20:22:14 GMT -5
The offsetting personal foul was interesting. That was play Skuka got helmet kicked off and ran into endzone. I was at game and didn’t get a look at replay. Was it targeting? Also, you can see why they now blow play dead when a helmet comes of of a player in possession of the ball. Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that Sluka would have kept running to endzone even if there had been a strong safety there? I was also at the game and, if you recall, the refs called the penalty on Holy Cross but NOT the targeting of Sluka until they showed the replay on the scoreboard which was obvious and egregious and Coach Chesney went running after the refs. The HC fans went wild when they showed the replay, so not sure how you missed that. In any case, it's my belief that either the fans hooting and hollering or some official in the review booth, wherever that might be at Fitton, caused the refs to review the play. I admit from my distance at the 50 yard line I saw the helmet come flying off but not the hit that caused it. But, again, the replay was blatant. The refs initially called for Matt to sit out a play but after review, let him back in immediately.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 20:22:39 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 4, 2022 20:22:39 GMT -5
The offsetting personal foul was interesting. That was play Skuka got helmet kicked off and ran into endzone. I was at game and didn’t get a look at replay. Was it targeting? Also, you can see why they now blow play dead when a helmet comes of of a player in possession of the ball. Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that Sluka would have kept running to endzone even if there had been a strong safety there? My friend who went to Fordham and is a die-hard fan texted me immediately after that play and said it was obviously targeting from his ESPN+ replay vantage point.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 20:24:42 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 4, 2022 20:24:42 GMT -5
Depending who offers Chesney HC should match it. With reason. He brings HC money by people going to the games. If you go up to practice on the top of the hill this week or any week he will come over and talk to you. How many coaches you know would do that. Sounds simple until you come to the realization that the ship has sailed IMO as far as Chesney leaving for the likes of Delaware. I think HC would match any FCS offer. His next stop is at an FBS program with much deeper pockets. I mean, it's not like we're going to outbid BC.
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UNH
Dec 4, 2022 20:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2022 20:27:49 GMT -5
The offsetting personal foul was interesting. That was play Skuka got helmet kicked off and ran into endzone. I was at game and didn’t get a look at replay. Was it targeting? Also, you can see why they now blow play dead when a helmet comes of of a player in possession of the ball. Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that Sluka would have kept running to endzone even if there had been a strong safety there? 15 yard chop block on us. 15 yard targeting on them following review. UNH player ejected. Offsetting fouls. Replay first down.
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