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Post by alum on Jul 18, 2023 11:04:40 GMT -5
We need to understand how this works. I, too, thought they lived in dorms and ate at Kimball. Can I assume that when camp starts in August they are in dorms and the College is feeding them?
Is the setup for hoops the same?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2023 11:10:59 GMT -5
IIRC, the Fueling the Momentum campaign has a football training table as one area to be funded I assume a priority would be an in-season table, with lower priorities for a table in the off-season, including over the summer.
An issue might be if a student is not actually matriculating over the summer, what NCAA rules and constraints apply to athletes who are on campus voluntarily over the summer. What if a booster treated them to a great Italian meal at his restaurant every night over the period they are on-campus, and working out? Certainly, incoming freshman have yet to enroll.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 18, 2023 11:19:14 GMT -5
It is the same for hoops- summer they are on their own While we likely will need to fund this offseason training table for the situation to change, I recommend we talk to Kit and Cara, raise the money, and create a separate CAF account for all student-athletes to have nourishing meals while they are on campus. Just a thought
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 18, 2023 11:29:01 GMT -5
Would the NCAA allow “boosters” to buy meals for the players? Could be a violation. Does the NCAA allow unlimited weeks of official summer camps and practice?
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Post by mm67 on Jul 18, 2023 11:48:50 GMT -5
Good points all. The athletes should get training camp meals! On the other hand the guys might like putting their meals together. Maybe, community meal prep might foster a closer cohesiveness? Coach will work it out.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 18, 2023 12:29:45 GMT -5
IIRC, the Fueling the Momentum campaign has a football training table as one area to be funded I assume a priority would be an in-season table, with lower priorities for a table in the off-season, including over the summer. An issue might be if a student is not actually matriculating over the summer, what NCAA rules and constraints apply to athletes who are on campus voluntarily over the summer. What if a booster treated them to a great Italian meal at his restaurant every night over the period they are on-campus, and working out? Certainly, incoming freshman have yet to enroll. Part of the FTM campaign was designed to help with supplemental nutrition year round including the summer. Think more a “recovery bar” with post workout shakes / snacks (bars) plus hydration monitoring and recovery. It’s crucially important to get those calories/nutrients in your system ASAP after the workout. Most players are now in dorms during the summer instead of off campus like it was in my day. FTM also helped with those costs (getting more players in the senior dorms with kitchens) A full year round athletic training table would be on an entirely different level which is way above the FTM ambassadors pay grade. I’m not aware of that goal currently being run up the flagpole. Permanent Lights at Fitton are a priority however. When camp starts on August 2nd the players are back eating in Kimball.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 18, 2023 12:33:52 GMT -5
Would the NCAA allow “boosters” to buy meals for the players? Could be a violation. Does the NCAA allow unlimited weeks of official summer camps and practice? With NIL, as long as there is an exchange of a good or service and the player officially documents the exchange/value, almost anything goes. For example, If Sluka sent you an autographed football, there’s nothing preventing you from sending him a gift card to his favorite chop house.
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Post by newadvisor on Jul 18, 2023 13:08:29 GMT -5
IIRC, the Fueling the Momentum campaign has a football training table as one area to be funded I assume a priority would be an in-season table, with lower priorities for a table in the off-season, including over the summer. An issue might be if a student is not actually matriculating over the summer, what NCAA rules and constraints apply to athletes who are on campus voluntarily over the summer. What if a booster treated them to a great Italian meal at his restaurant every night over the period they are on-campus, and working out? Certainly, incoming freshman have yet to enroll. Part of the FTM campaign was designed to help with supplemental nutrition year round including the summer. Think more a “recovery bar” with post workout shakes / snacks (bars) plus hydration monitoring and recovery. It’s crucially important to get those calories/nutrients in your system ASAP after the workout. Most players are now in dorms during the summer instead of off campus like it was in my day. FTM also helped with those costs (getting more players in the senior dorms with kitchens) A full year round athletic training table would be on an entirely different level which is way above the FTM ambassadors pay grade. I’m not aware of that goal being run up the flagpole right now. Permanent Lights at Fitton are a priority however. When camp starts on August 2nd the players are back eating in Kimball. I guess my biggest concern about the lights being priority over a training table is simple, the capital investment on light for maybe 1-2 games a year has less of an effect on wins and loses than the FOOD! Kimball meals are fine for the average students, It is not sufficient for a player trying to gain good weight. Bare minimum we need a qualified nutritionist to help all athletes get the proper advice on meals to achieve their weight goals, Grautski is a strength coach and a good one, but not a nutritionist. If FTM is designed solely for post workout nutrition then why is the only option for an athlete 1 Muscle Milk per athlete, simply unacceptable. This being said where is the FTM money going if not to support the athletes. I would assume the majority of the money goes to coaches, but isn't that the institutions priority?? I know I'm ranting about the training table, but when things are promised to incoming athletes in relation to quality meals and that doesn't come to be every body looks bad.
If the team wins a Natty we will have the ears and pockets to help out more with the lights. The ROI on a training table is much higher for the PROGRAM than the lights will be long term. JMHO!!
PS: This won't just help out football, it will help all athletes on campus.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 18, 2023 13:33:39 GMT -5
Part of the FTM campaign was designed to help with supplemental nutrition year round including the summer. Think more a “recovery bar” with post workout shakes / snacks (bars) plus hydration monitoring and recovery. It’s crucially important to get those calories/nutrients in your system ASAP after the workout. Most players are now in dorms during the summer instead of off campus like it was in my day. FTM also helped with those costs (getting more players in the senior dorms with kitchens) A full year round athletic training table would be on an entirely different level which is way above the FTM ambassadors pay grade. I’m not aware of that goal being run up the flagpole right now. Permanent Lights at Fitton are a priority however. When camp starts on August 2nd the players are back eating in Kimball. I guess my biggest concern about the lights being priority over a training table is simple, the capital investment on light for maybe 1-2 games a year has less of an effect on wins and loses than the FOOD! Kimball meals are fine for the average students, It is not sufficient for a player trying to gain good weight. Bare minimum we need a qualified nutritionist to help all athletes get the proper advice on meals to achieve their weight goals, Grautski is a strength coach and a good one, but not a nutritionist. If FTM is designed solely for post workout nutrition then why is the only option for an athlete 1 Muscle Milk per athlete, simply unacceptable. This being said where is the FTM money going if not to support the athletes. I would assume the majority of the money goes to coaches, but isn't that the institutions priority?? I know I'm ranting about the training table, but when things are promised to incoming athletes in relation to quality meals and that doesn't come to be every body looks bad.
If the team wins a Natty we will have the ears and pockets to help out more with the lights. The ROI on a training table is much higher for the PROGRAM than the lights will be long term. JMHO!!
PS: This won't just help out football, it will help all athletes on campus.
To clarify, Lights on Fitton are at the institutional level and have nothing to do with FTM. FTM’s “Supplemental nutrition” was one of 5-6 goals. There is more than muscle milk these days as a couple players have plugged the shake bar. The goal was to eventually have it accessible more often during the season and not as a novelty. Also remember, the 1.4M commitment to FTM was over 5 years. All the goals weren't going to be accomplished in year 1. Coaches salaries are NOT part of FTM, that’s on the school. However, are coaches using increased travel budgets to recruit? Absolutely! And cash flow from FTM is helping there. Agree with Kimball, however Crossroads is very legit now and many players eat their on campus meals there v Kimball. And I agree a dedicated training table should be at the top of the list at the institutional level hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 18, 2023 13:45:43 GMT -5
And one more point on FTM, remember the goal was to have current donors give MORE than they had been previously and to sign up new donors to 5 year commitments. The 1.4M will NOT be net new cash on hand over the 5 years. Rather, it’s an additional 80-100k a year in increased funding based off what the Gridiron part of CAF was raising in the previous 5 years.
While 80-100k in additional annual discretionary income is something we are proud of, it’s not going to solve all our goals. Not even close. That has to come from the college.
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Post by newadvisor on Jul 18, 2023 14:27:48 GMT -5
I guess my biggest concern about the lights being priority over a training table is simple, the capital investment on light for maybe 1-2 games a year has less of an effect on wins and loses than the FOOD! Kimball meals are fine for the average students, It is not sufficient for a player trying to gain good weight. Bare minimum we need a qualified nutritionist to help all athletes get the proper advice on meals to achieve their weight goals, Grautski is a strength coach and a good one, but not a nutritionist. If FTM is designed solely for post workout nutrition then why is the only option for an athlete 1 Muscle Milk per athlete, simply unacceptable. This being said where is the FTM money going if not to support the athletes. I would assume the majority of the money goes to coaches, but isn't that the institutions priority?? I know I'm ranting about the training table, but when things are promised to incoming athletes in relation to quality meals and that doesn't come to be every body looks bad.
If the team wins a Natty we will have the ears and pockets to help out more with the lights. The ROI on a training table is much higher for the PROGRAM than the lights will be long term. JMHO!!
PS: This won't just help out football, it will help all athletes on campus.
To clarify, Lights on Fitton are at the institutional level and have nothing to do with FTM. FTM’s “Supplemental nutrition” was one of 5-6 goals. There is more than muscle milk these days as a couple players have plugged the shake bar. The goal was to eventually have it accessible more often during the season and not as a novelty. Also remember, the 1.4M commitment to FTM was over 5 years. All the goals weren't going to be accomplished in year 1. Coaches salaries are NOT part of FTM, that’s on the school. However, are coaches using increased travel budgets to recruit? Absolutely! And cash flow from FTM is helping there. Agree with Kimball, however Crossroads is very legit now and many players eat their on campus meals there v Kimball. And I agree a dedicated training table should be at the top of the list at the institutional level hopefully sooner rather than later. Thanks for clarification on the FTM!! Crossroads is legit and I've talked to many players and they love it, problems is they have a limited amount of money to spend there thus Kimball becomes only option then. If you could let me know where the boys can get something other than muscle milk, I would sure pass that info onto them. The MM is all that I've been told the players have for recovery after workouts.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2023 16:16:02 GMT -5
And one more point on FTM, remember the goal was to have current donors give MORE than they had been previously and to sign up new donors to 5 year commitments. The 1.4M will NOT be net new cash on hand over the 5 years. Rather, it’s an additional 80-100k a year in increased funding based off what the Gridiron part of CAF was raising in the previous 5 years. While 80-100k in additional annual discretionary income is something we are proud of, it’s not going to solve all our goals. Not even close. That has to come from the college. Do you know what the $1M contribution for HC football by the guy who went to Worcester Academy (IIRC) is being used for? Is that in an account separate from FTM, CAF? Or was it folded into the endowment as a restricted fund, i.e., annual distribution is only for football?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 18, 2023 17:50:28 GMT -5
I don’t know the specifics on that. New Advisor, I will send you a direct message.
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