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Post by purplehaze on Jul 28, 2023 11:33:41 GMT -5
I think we can all agree having 5th yr seniors makes a big difference as we approach the season - I think I heard we have 13 which reflects their commitment to the program.
I see that Fordham has 14 which is a surprisingly high number, while Colgate has only 2. Don't know about any of the other teams.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jul 28, 2023 11:46:47 GMT -5
Fordham and HC have by far the most which is indicative of the state of each program. Lehigh for example lost 3 to FBS programs (DB and LB to GA State and a DL to Ball State). Also, lost a WR to FCS Eastern Kentucky which has a prolific passing offense.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 28, 2023 12:11:12 GMT -5
And, didn't Lehigh lose a coach, too?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 28, 2023 12:16:49 GMT -5
And, didn't Lehigh lose a coach, too? Yes, but most wouldn't say "lose." |
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Post by cruskater31 on Jul 28, 2023 12:18:56 GMT -5
And, didn't Lehigh lose a coach, too? Yes, but most wouldn't say "lose." A relative asked me the other day "hey is Gilmore going to land back at HC as a special advisor or assistant? Seems popular these days." I promptly referred him to our little message board. I think there is a better chance Chris Smith becomes interim head coach of the New York football Giants after the current coach decided to move to Costa Rica to find himself on a wellness retreat. |
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 28, 2023 12:40:12 GMT -5
I believe the existing senior class is the last one that has the COVID year option. I wonder how many of those seniors will elect to stay on for a 5th year. I would imagine that several of them would be invited back, if that is how it works. I would also imagine that they would probably need to offered some scholarship money to come back.
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 28, 2023 13:17:58 GMT -5
Yes they have to be invited back, have to want to come back and then at the right scholarship money for the player and team. Have to have an eye on current team but also future team in terms of scholarship money.
Guys like Spence, Sluka, Shipman, Gregory, MacAuley, Schon, Vaganek, Christo Kelly, Coker, Dickson, Duchemin, Springer, Dyer, Bolden, Kane, Newman off the top of my head will prob be asked back.
But not sure all will come back. Some may aspire for FBS.
For a guy who’s not getting a ton of scholarship now - the player may decide to come back with no scholarship money for one last ride.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2023 15:18:17 GMT -5
They are also coming back for one semester, so half the cost if they are offered a full scollie. They will still count against the 85 cap for FCS for those receiving any amount of fin aid.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 28, 2023 16:43:58 GMT -5
Yes they have to be invited back, have to want to come back and then at the right scholarship money for the player and team. Have to have an eye on current team but also future team in terms of scholarship money. Guys like Spence, Sluka, Shipman, Gregory, MacAuley, Schon, Vaganek, Christo Kelly, Coker, Dickson, Duchemin, Springer, Dyer, Bolden, Kane, Newman off the top of my head will prob be asked back. But not sure all will come back. Some may aspire for FBS. For a guy who’s not getting a ton of scholarship now - the player may decide to come back with no scholarship money for one last ride. Are there any positions where we are thin that the coaches may seek to backfill with a 5th year player or two? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2023 17:29:38 GMT -5
Yes, but most wouldn't say "lose." A relative asked me the other day "hey is Gilmore going to land back at HC as a special advisor or assistant? Seems popular these days." I promptly referred him to our little message board. I think there is a better chance Chris Smith becomes interim head coach of the New York football Giants after the current coach decided to move to Costa Rica to find himself on a wellness retreat. I see the logic in another of TG's previous stops needing a helping hand in an advisory role, Dartmouth. HC FB is running as smoothly as a Swiss watch now. |
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Post by mm67 on Jul 28, 2023 18:57:56 GMT -5
Should we pray for another covid outbreak?  |
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Post by dharry13 on Jul 28, 2023 19:30:58 GMT -5
Yes they have to be invited back, have to want to come back and then at the right scholarship money for the player and team. Have to have an eye on current team but also future team in terms of scholarship money. Guys like Spence, Sluka, Shipman, Gregory, MacAuley, Schon, Vaganek, Christo Kelly, Coker, Dickson, Duchemin, Springer, Dyer, Bolden, Kane, Newman off the top of my head will prob be asked back. But not sure all will come back. Some may aspire for FBS. For a guy who’s not getting a ton of scholarship now - the player may decide to come back with no scholarship money for one last ride. Are there any positions where we are thin that the coaches may seek to backfill with a 5th year player or two? Yes. Defensive End. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 28, 2023 19:33:14 GMT -5
Should we pray for another covid outbreak? . ..not even in jest.  |
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Post by efg72 on Jul 28, 2023 19:41:20 GMT -5
A science/ medical and not political response
Now that certain people have departed I am not sure how government will respond, but hopefully with a better result now that we know more about how little we understand the issues around MRNA products
Still years away on the science and more work needed on memory t-cells before we should be comfortable
Next pandemic likely to be around Dengue if the weather pattern holds
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2023 22:10:29 GMT -5
Should we pray for another covid outbreak? Nah, let's just vote to allow PL non-medical red shirts. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Jul 28, 2023 22:35:27 GMT -5
New conference! This should be good for a few more pages of posts.
The PL may budge if HC and Fordham advocate for non-medical RS, but I can see tptb in the Lehigh Valley crying foul about competitive balance or something about the integrity of a 4 year college experience. If so, I vote for a new Yankee conference (unless the ACC comes calling) 🤣
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Post by hcpride on Jul 29, 2023 6:33:16 GMT -5
New conference! This should be good for a few more pages of posts. The PL may budge if HC and Fordham advocate for non-medical RS, but I can see tptb in the Lehigh Valley crying foul about competitive balance or something about the integrity of a 4 year college experience. If so, I vote for a new Yankee conference (unless the ACC comes calling) 🤣 I’ve gotta wonder if there isn’t some resentment at some PL football schools towards HC and Fordham and their highly effective and (relatively) wholesale use of Covid 5th years. I could see some pettiness (disguised as ‘academic integrity’ or some other verbal gestures) in the direction of shutting off the HC and Fordham 5th years once the last of the Covid athlete graduates. Sooo, I’m not so sure we’ll see the non-medical redshirts in the PL going forward. Which means, we bail on PL football. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 29, 2023 7:13:25 GMT -5
I may be in the minority but believe that despite our success with 5th year seniors that HC’s position will be the same as the PL’s: medical red shirts, OK. Non-medical red shirts, no.
I haven’t heard a whisper that our football success has changed any administrators minds on this subject. Maybe it’s because I am hard of hearing?
I will be shocked if we leave the PL . . . for any reason.
Hey, how’s the Covid/5th years been working out for our basketball team? 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by mm67 on Jul 29, 2023 7:36:02 GMT -5
Non-medical redshirts are an issue for a few on this board. I would be surprised if HC would allow its current success to propel the program into a greater emphasis on football/basketball. HC is aligned with the core values of the PL.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 29, 2023 7:46:29 GMT -5
I may be in the minority but believe that despite our success with 5th year seniors that HC’s position will be the same as the PL’s: medical red shirts, OK. Non-medical red shirts, no. I haven’t heard a whisper that our football success has changed any administrators minds on this subject. Maybe it’s because I am hard of hearing? I will be shocked if we leave the PL . . . for any reason. Hey, how’s the Covid/5th years been working out for our basketball team? 🤷🏻♂️ I have no idea where HC administrators stand on having the option of offering football non-medical red shirts. Any administrator who somehow thought a greatly increased number of football 5th-years might damage our academic reputation certainly saw some evidence to the contrary. I suspect the coach - who wants to compete for FCS championships on a level playing field - might favor having the non-medical redshirt option. Not much working out well for HC men's basketball or baseball or lacrosse (Covid 5th years, medical redshirts, and otherwise) these last four years. |
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Post by gks on Jul 29, 2023 9:28:06 GMT -5
You want to compete on the national level.......you need 5th years.
You want to compete on the PL level that no one cares about......status quo.
Pretty simple formula.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 29, 2023 9:33:44 GMT -5
You want to keep Chesney? Fifth years…
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Post by cruskater31 on Jul 29, 2023 9:38:57 GMT -5
Do other FCS conferences like the Colonial, NEC, or Big South have non-medical, non Covid redshirts/5th years?
I am going to BC and hopefully Army this year. Would have gone to Bufflo if it worked with my work schedule. I would happily go to Merrimack, UNH, SHU, URI, etc. My in laws live about an hour from Orono so Maine also. Of course I would go to other northeast FBS opponents as well. The drive to Lehigh Valley is a little far for me and just doesn't do it...for any sport. I went to American for a PL hoops championship game and can't say I'd race back to Bender.
From a geography standpoint, I think many of us would venture to more road games if we were out of the PL. Or...if I could fly to say W&M or Richmond I would. Not sure how many direct flights go from Boston to the Lewiston Airport there are.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 29, 2023 10:05:40 GMT -5
I am not aware of any pronouncements by the administration indicating HC is even considering leaving the PL. Some get hung up on pop magazine measures of reputation. Quite simply our membership in the PL is based on shared values. One of which is not to allow coaches decide academic policy. Peace
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 29, 2023 10:41:42 GMT -5
I may be in the minority but believe that despite our success with 5th year seniors that HC’s position will be the same as the PL’s: medical red shirts, OK. Non-medical red shirts, no. I haven’t heard a whisper that our football success has changed any administrators minds on this subject. Maybe it’s because I am hard of hearing? I will be shocked if we leave the PL . . . for any reason. Hey, how’s the Covid/5th years been working out for our basketball team? 🤷🏻♂️ I have no idea where HC administrators stand on having the option of offering football non-medical red shirts. Any administrator who somehow thought a greatly increased number of football 5th-years might damage our academic reputation certainly saw some evidence to the contrary. I suspect the coach - who wants to compete for FCS championships on a level playing field - might favor having the non-medical redshirt option. Not much working out well for HC men's basketball or baseball or lacrosse (Covid 5th years, medical redshirts, and otherwise) these last four years. Bingo. We are quick to attribute HC's recent FB success to Covid fifth years. But they haven't been a factor in any sport without Coach Chesney at the helm. Having Gates in MBB last year may have kept HC from going winless but most of our good basketball players like Butler, Faw, Avery have taken their fifth year of eligibility in graduate school. WBB won either regular season or PLT championships the last two years with all four years players when Covid fifth years were available. FB has an advantage being a fall semester only sport. I hope the league allows non-medical red shirts. Wouldn't be surprised with a compromise allowing them with a cap of six or so per year. |
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