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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 18, 2023 8:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2023 8:54:40 GMT -5
VR will be pleased. Part of the upward movement is from what I think were several small LACs, almost niche schools, being dropped.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 18, 2023 9:03:58 GMT -5
Sept 13, 2022 17:53:58 GMT -4 HC92 said: Looked up our progression in the last 4 US News rankings:
2019: tied for 33-35 with Bucknell and Pitzer 2020: tied for 27-31 with Bryan Mater, Colorado College, Kenyon and Soka 2021: tied for 36-39 with Oberlin, Pitzer and Skidmore 2022: tied for 33-35 with Pitzer and Scripps
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 18, 2023 9:16:26 GMT -5
Comparison Schools - BC, PC, Notre Dame, Fordham, Occidental and Reed.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 18, 2023 9:24:02 GMT -5
2023- two way tie with Macalester
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2023 10:39:03 GMT -5
From VR this morning,
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Post by purplenurple on Sept 18, 2023 10:39:13 GMT -5
Comparison Schools - BC, PC, Notre Dame, Fordham, Occidental and Reed. They lost me with Occidental and definitely Reed.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 18, 2023 13:00:15 GMT -5
T-27 (w/Macalister) and just below Colby/Richmond seems like an improvement over very recent years. Since our significant competitor schools (BC, PC, Fordham, Notre Dame) in terms of applicant overlap are not in our category measuring progress can be a bit opague. Colgate (21), Bucknell (T-30), and Laffy (T-30) are actually in our category and may be some PL schools of interest.
My grad school (SBU, National University Category) is quite pleased to be at #58 - immediately below William & Mary, etc. and well ahead of competitor SUNY Binghamton (T-73).
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 18, 2023 13:19:09 GMT -5
Can any of you imagine any of the previous Holy Cross presidents writing an email similar to this? Quite a development!
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Post by matunuck on Sept 18, 2023 13:59:42 GMT -5
I find VR to be much more transparent than past folks, in addition to having a far better understanding of the competitive landscape in higher ed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2023 15:23:49 GMT -5
Can any of you imagine any of the previous Holy Cross presidents writing an email similar to this? Quite a development! It also reveals that VR closely monitors USN&WR's metrics.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 18, 2023 16:37:37 GMT -5
I find VR to be much more transparent than past folks, in addition to having a far better understanding of the competitive landscape in higher ed. "Transparent" is a good word as I've noticed many of the folks who claim they have no concern regarding rankings actually have the most concern regarding rankings. I suspect all our past presidents have been quite concerned with rankings (notwithstanding any assertions to the contrary). On another front, the methodological changes by USN&WR this year are getting a bit of attention (mostly relative to the "National Universities" rankings): U.S. News' overhauled ranking formula uses 19 measures of academic quality to asses schools. It also dropped five factors that affected a college's ranking: class size; faculty with terminal degrees; alumni giving; high school class standing; and the proportion of graduates who borrow federal loans.
Perhaps not surprisingly, some universities are now objecting to the latest ranking. Tennessee's Vanderbilt University, which fell to No. 18 from No. 13 the previous year, attacked U.S. News' revised approach as flawed, Bloomberg reported.
"U.S. News's change in methodology has led to dramatic movement in the rankings overall, disadvantaging many private research universities while privileging large public institutions," Chancellor Daniel Diermeier and Provost C. Cybele Raver wrote in an email to alumni, according to the news service.
www.cbsnews.com/news/us-news-best-colleges-2024-ranking/
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 18, 2023 16:37:45 GMT -5
This past Saturday, at the Williams College football game, it was announced that their school was again the #1 LAC. Naturally the fans cheered. Guess for some schools the rankings matter.
Very pleased to see the new HC administration takes the rankings seriously as a metric that should be monitored regarding achievement.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 18, 2023 17:00:24 GMT -5
We all love HC and know it is a great school, but it's refreshing that PVR recognizes the importance of marketing HC and attending to the rankings.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 19, 2023 12:41:28 GMT -5
How the Worcester National Universities ranked:
#82 WPI (previously #67) #142 Clark (previously #97)
The new tweaks to the USNWR formula did not help either local school. This was especially true for Clark as it declined by 45 spots. Many national public universities however saw improvement with the change.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 21, 2023 11:28:09 GMT -5
Comparison Schools - BC, PC, Notre Dame, Fordham, Occidental and Reed. They lost me with Occidental and definitely Reed. Reed has had 32 Rhodes Scholarship Awardees. It’s time that a HC student be once again recognized. Of Note, the HC Wiki page has been updated this week to reflect recent changes including the endowment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_the_Holy_Cross
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Post by efg72 on Sept 21, 2023 12:24:24 GMT -5
HC ranks 60th in a different survey
Boston College places 45th among all U.S. colleges and universities in new Wall Street Journal survey The new ranking focuses on outcome measurements and student input University Communications | September 2023 Boston College placed 45th among colleges and universities nationwide in a new Wall Street Journal survey of America’s best colleges, released on September 6.
Officially titled Wall Street Journal/College Pulse 2024 Best Colleges in the U.S., the survey focuses on outcome measurements and student input, in contrast to US News, which has traditionally relied on peer assessments and federal and school-supplied data in their ranking formula.
According to the release issued by The Wall Street Journal, the WSJ/College Pulse ranking puts an emphasis on “two practical and measurable questions about each school: How much will the college improve the students’ chances of graduating on time, and how much will it improve the salaries they earn after receiving their diplomas?”
The ranking also surveyed more than 60,000 students and recent graduates earlier this year, capturing “a range of perspectives on student life, including perception of learning opportunities, career preparation…and students’ thoughts on diversity.”
Overall, Princeton University placed first in the 2024 survey, followed by Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Yale, Stanford, Columbia, and Harvard universities.
Within Massachusetts, Boston College placed sixth overall behind MIT, Harvard, Amherst College (eighth nationally), Babson College (tenth), and Williams College (31st), and ahead of the College of the Holy Cross (60th), Northeastern University (138th), Boston University (200th), Brandeis University (223rd), and Tufts University (287th).
Additional information on the rankings is available at wsj.com/collegerankings.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2023 12:47:54 GMT -5
It's funny- Holy Cross moves up 6 places in USNWR Rankings and we'll get one page of posts. In contrast, if HC slips one place next year we'll go on for a half dozen pages,
Wikipedia has HC endowment at $1,273,000,000---has that been "Crossports Confirmed"?
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Post by purplenurple on Sept 21, 2023 14:53:04 GMT -5
They lost me with Occidental and definitely Reed. Reed has had 32 Rhodes Scholarship Awardees. It’s time that a HC student be once again recognized. Of Note, the HC Wiki page has been updated this week to reflect recent changes including the endowment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_the_Holy_CrossA good school no doubt; I just don't see a lot of prospective students applying to both schools. Peter Oliver should have been a Rhodes Scholar. To achieve that GPA, in those majors, while being the starting running back on a nationally ranked football team, accomplished violinist. There are politics involved I suspect.
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Post by alum on Sept 21, 2023 15:10:02 GMT -5
Reed has had 32 Rhodes Scholarship Awardees. It’s time that a HC student be once again recognized. Of Note, the HC Wiki page has been updated this week to reflect recent changes including the endowment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_the_Holy_CrossA good school no doubt; I just don't see a lot of prospective students applying to both schools. Peter Oliver should have been a Rhodes Scholar. To achieve that GPA, in those majors, while being the starting running back on a nationally ranked football team, accomplished violinist. There are politics involved I suspect. Did he apply? I agree he would have been an outstanding candidate.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 21, 2023 16:47:07 GMT -5
It's funny- Holy Cross moves up 6 places in USNWR Rankings and we'll get one page of posts. In contrast, if HC slips one place next year we'll go on for a half dozen pages, Wikipedia has HC endowment at $1,273,000,000---has that been "Crossports Confirmed"? I checked the Controller's page, yesterday and just now. No financial report nor audited financial statement for fiscal 2023. The footnotes to Wiki state the source as HC at a Glance. HC at a Glance reports the 2022 endowment value of $993 million. $1,273 million would be a 28 percent jump in value. Maybe Jim Mooney and Baupost are now managing the endowment!! ?!!!!!! So Phreek checking the HC newsroom found no reports of Rougeau doing somersaults on Linden Lane. Phreek now decided to do a bit of due diligence, and went to the 2022 audited financial statement. Whoever was editing the Wiki entries confused net assets value with endowment value. The net assets value at the end of fiscal 2022 was $1,273,000,000.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 21, 2023 19:37:58 GMT -5
Fantastic detective work, as usual, Mr Phreek!
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 22, 2023 10:22:18 GMT -5
Sept 13, 2022 17:53:58 GMT -4 HC92 said: Looked up our progression in the last 4 US News rankings: 2019: tied for 33-35 with Bucknell and Pitzer 2020: tied for 27-31 with Bryan Mater, Colorado College, Kenyon and Soka 2021: tied for 36-39 with Oberlin, Pitzer and Skidmore 2022: tied for 33-35 with Pitzer and Scripps Pitzer is on us like a dog on a bone. Let's shake the Sagehens and move past them.🙂
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 22, 2023 12:02:29 GMT -5
Maybe Pitzer should be invited to join the Patriot League.😂
There is another tie to Pitzer with Holy Cross. Former Holy Cross Vice President for Student Affairs Jackie Peterson, was the Vice President of Student Affairs at Pitzer from 1993 to 1997, before arriving at Holy Cross in 1997, where she served until 2017.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 22, 2023 16:48:01 GMT -5
Pitzer is yet another Liberal Arts school (like Williams, Amherst, Colgate, etc) that has little/no applicant overlap with HC , has very little in common with Holy Cross, and is simply not a competitor school relative to competing for students.But is in the same category. It’s funny that we don’t compete for students with the schools in our USN&WR category.
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