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Post by timholycross on Nov 12, 2023 21:10:50 GMT -5
Next W against Sacred Heart! They gave Iona a battle, 81-88, last night. Will be a tough game. How many of Ricky's boys left for greener pastures after he left?
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Post by timholycross on Nov 12, 2023 21:17:10 GMT -5
In the presser linked, Coach Paulsen is asked about it. The assistants all went up to Paulsen and told him they had this and don't kill him I too was stunned when he took that shot. However looking at it now, it was actually beneficial to HC. Had he not taken the shot, he would have been fouled quickly. If he made both, HC would have been up 3 with around 6 seconds left...LOTS of time for G'Town to get up a good looking 3 to tie. The miss created an almosy 4 second play that changed what G'town could do! Lost in that first clock snafu was the fact that it seemed like Georgetown had no intention of fouling. Against HC, extending the game is usually the way to go.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 12, 2023 22:08:26 GMT -5
They gave Iona a battle, 81-88, last night. Will be a tough game. How many of Ricky's boys left for greener pastures after he left? Most of their better players
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Post by efg72 on Nov 12, 2023 22:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 13, 2023 8:27:08 GMT -5
My good buddy from Providence College and I were talking yesterday about just what will happen when Cooley returns to Providence to face the Friars. I believe it will get obscene and ugly
You can bet on it. Some of the PC fans are the nastiest around. Beers and sex toys have been thrown onto the court during games. Player's family have come onto the court from their seats during play. Many Friar fans have for months been slandering Cooley on social media. They want blood. It is certain to get very ugly.
PC fans feel like Cooley broke some crazy rule leaving the Friars. It is the way business is now in college basketball
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Post by Tom on Nov 13, 2023 8:53:58 GMT -5
To be fair, it sounded like he was drawing up something for them to advance the ball and then call another timeout. But the refs announced (after another looooong delay) that the clock was being reset from 3.5 seconds to 2.1. That totally blew up the play he drew up during the timeout. Of course, he should have called another TO to draw up another play and didn’t. Bank error in HC’s favor. Exactly. Or perhaps he wanted to call time out on the catch, but the pass/catch was so terrible they never had a chance. Are we sure the reason it went down to 2.1 was it stopped during the rebound action....or did it have something to do with Kenney either saving or not saving it? Kenney saved it but it went to a Georgetown player who called timeout. I assume the very long time checking it was to determine IF Kenney saved it. Then once that was established, they needed to determine when did the Georgetown player call the timeout. I think the whole 3.7 thing came because the clock operator thought Kenney was out and stopped the clock prematurely. I don't know, but suspect Georgetown had something planned for 3.7 seconds that would have taken longer than 2.1 and failed to regroup and have a 2.1 long ready
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2023 9:14:24 GMT -5
I think that Cooley ended the game with a timeout in his pocket. I have seen coaches advance the ball with the inbounds pass, call their final timeout, then have a closer-much closed last shot attempt.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 13, 2023 9:28:57 GMT -5
very late to comment on the exciting win, but what we saw on saturday night is exhibit a for why the head coach is the most important component of any basketball program at our level. absolutely night and day difference in the types of shots we are getting on offense, rebounding on both ends of the court, and overall confidence. in paulsen i continue to trust... it's going to be a fun ride!
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Post by Tom on Nov 13, 2023 9:30:09 GMT -5
I think that Cooley ended the game with a timeout in his pocket. I have seen coaches advance the ball with the inbounds pass, call their final timeout, then have a closer-much closed last shot attempt. Tall order with 2.1 on the clock. Clock starts when touched in bounds. After a timeout, maybe 1.5 at best. Clock probably doesn't start right away. It takes time for a human being to 1) See contact with ball 2) process that information and 3) hit button. Still, it would be a pretty much catch and release
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2023 9:36:51 GMT -5
I think that Cooley ended the game with a timeout in his pocket. I have seen coaches advance the ball with the inbounds pass, call their final timeout, then have a closer-much closed last shot attempt. Tall order with 2.1 on the clock. Clock starts when touched in bounds. After a timeout, maybe 1.5 at best. Clock probably doesn't start right away. It takes time for a human being to 1) See contact with ball 2) process that information and 3) hit button. Still, it would be a pretty much catch and release True. And a catch and release shot from 25-30 is far better than a lob pass for anyone to grab in the middle of the court
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Post by lou on Nov 13, 2023 9:43:26 GMT -5
With 2.1, I was expecting a heave to the rim
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 13, 2023 10:21:37 GMT -5
Watched the whole game. My first game seeing a "live" HC game (I watched on TV) in at least two years, besides reading religiously here and checking the stats. Some things that stood out:
Turnovers were in some cases a case of guys misreading cuts, or breaks behind defenders, and not being on the same page. Some were ill-advised passes. Nevertheless, the team never looked scrambled, or back on their heels. They answered every run by the Hoyas, and didn't let the game go to blowout status like would happen for at least the past ten years prior.
HC boxed out very well and was aggressive on the glass on both ends. Not sure I watched many games where I was satisfied with that effort in an HC game in two decades.
I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), but he was a boy among men in this game. Each time he touched the ball, he bounce-step dribbled five times away from the defense towards half court and picked up his dribble. He contributed zero, save for perhaps passing defense, and then had one of the biggest brain farts on a basketball court this side of a Fab Five timeout.
If I am going to do likewise in a positive sense, Octave was not going to lose the game. He didn't even break a sweat. An ice cold killer who wouldn't be denied.
The team played very tough in the paint despite being undersized. They took hits and got to the line. They got their hands on rebounds and loose balls. The dished out some heat too around the bucket. They defended that territory with gusto, playing the right way on defense and down low.
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Post by Tom on Nov 13, 2023 10:43:07 GMT -5
I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), Not a commentary about his play Saturday, but answering the question about last year, he is the team's leading returning scorer from last year
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -5
Nugent could turn into a load for opponents. He hasn't looked like he was playing his first two games since high school against Siena and GU.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 13, 2023 11:03:11 GMT -5
I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), Not a commentary about his play Saturday, but answering the question about last year, he is the team's leading returning scorer from last year When Batch is draining threes he certainly belongs. Just bump up the Freshman minutes a little when he is off his game. If someone overtakes him as starter, fine. The "If you have two quarterbacks you have no quarterback" rule couldn't apply to PGs since they generally don't play the whole game like a QB anyway.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2023 11:33:09 GMT -5
Nugent could turn into a load for opponents. He hasn't looked like he was playing his first two games since high school against Siena and GU. Joe's "o-rating" from Ken Pomeroy was 176 in the Siena game and 136 versus Georgetown. I'll list two caveats (1) KenPom's algorithm may not be perfect and (2) the o-rating measures offense only and that's only half of the game, Having said that, we can say that the 176-136 is likely the highest total for the first two games of any HC freshman's career. As well, the 176-136 is certainly among the highest back-to-back numbers for any player in any year. While Joe won't shoot .600 on threes (6 for 10 to date) for the season, he certainly is off to a great start. I'd like to see what he can do in other oarts of the game
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Post by Tom on Nov 13, 2023 11:34:53 GMT -5
Not a commentary about his play Saturday, but answering the question about last year, he is the team's leading returning scorer from last year When Batch is draining threes he certainly belongs. Just bump up the Freshman minutes a little when he is off his game. If someone overtakes him as starter, fine. The "If you have two quarterbacks you have no quarterback" rule couldn't apply to PGs since they generally don't play the whole game like a QB anyway. Nugent could turn into a load for opponents. He hasn't looked like he was playing his first two games since high school against Siena and GU. In the post game presser posted earlier, Coach Paulsen specifically mentioned that he has many guys that can bring the ball up. Nugent has certainly been a solid positive for his first two college games. Coach Paulsen must agree since he has been a starter and a crunch time guy. I think he's only taken one 2 point attempt so far, but has size that I would think he could and be an inside/outside guy
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 13, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -5
I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), Not a commentary about his play Saturday, but answering the question about last year, he is the team's leading returning scorer from last year I could be the leading scorer in a lot of hypothetical situations... they wouldn't be ones we'd ever want to see a team you're rooting for be in. If we've got nothing better for crunch time minutes, yikes.
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Post by Ignutz on Nov 13, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -5
Watched the whole game. My first game seeing a "live" HC game (I watched on TV) in at least two years, besides reading religiously here and checking the stats. Some things that stood out: Turnovers were in some cases a case of guys misreading cuts, or breaks behind defenders, and not being on the same page. Some were ill-advised passes. Nevertheless, the team never looked scrambled, or back on their heels. They answered every run by the Hoyas, and didn't let the game go to blowout status like would happen for at least the past ten years prior. HC boxed out very well and was aggressive on the glass on both ends. Not sure I watched many games where I was satisfied with that effort in an HC game in two decades. I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), but he was a boy among men in this game. Each time he touched the ball, he bounce-step dribbled five times away from the defense towards half court and picked up his dribble. He contributed zero, save for perhaps passing defense, and then had one of the biggest brain farts on a basketball court this side of a Fab Five timeout. If I am going to do likewise in a positive sense, Octave was not going to lose the game. He didn't even break a sweat. An ice cold killer who wouldn't be denied. The team played very tough in the paint despite being undersized. They took hits and got to the line. They got their hands on rebounds and loose balls. The dished out some heat too around the bucket. They defended that territory with gusto, playing the right way on defense and down low. My guess is that in the two games that we've played, the opposing coach is thinking (and telling his team), "This guy Batchelder is their only real scorer. He's a 3-point machine, so if we shut him down, we're most of the way to a "W". The world will quickly be learning that Batch has a much improved supporting cast, both on the floor and on the bench this year. Go ahead, make the focus shutting him down - at your peril. We'll watch that happen while our other guys are putting the basketball through the hoop, and coming away with another HC victory.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2023 12:33:58 GMT -5
Batch, in my opinion, is a talented player with a lot of upside. I am no more ready to write off Batch for one unproductive game that included a very poor decision than I was to write off Joe Octave for his sub-optimal game versus Siena.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 13, 2023 13:45:53 GMT -5
If you say so. Nobody's career is made or lost by a single game... but this was his audition for me, and he wasn't getting the part if I were the director.
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Post by Tom on Nov 13, 2023 14:49:05 GMT -5
If you say so. Nobody's career is made or lost by a single game... but this was his audition for me, and he wasn't getting the part if I were the director. You might have said the same thing about Octave after the Siena game. Perhaps Batch will go crazy in his follow-up game too
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Post by tj on Nov 13, 2023 14:59:37 GMT -5
very late to comment on the exciting win, but what we saw on saturday night is exhibit a for why the head coach is the most important component of any basketball program at our level. absolutely night and day difference in the types of shots we are getting on offense, rebounding on both ends of the court, and overall confidence. in paulsen i continue to trust... it's going to be a fun ride! I feel the former HC inhibited the players and Paulsen has unleashed them. All in the vibe a coach creates
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 13, 2023 15:18:45 GMT -5
Kenney saved it but it went to a Georgetown player who called timeout. I assume the very long time checking it was to determine IF Kenney saved it. Then once that was established, they needed to determine when did the Georgetown player call the timeout. I think the whole 3.7 thing came because the clock operator thought Kenney was out and stopped the clock prematurely. I don't know, but suspect Georgetown had something planned for 3.7 seconds that would have taken longer than 2.1 and failed to regroup and have a 2.1 long ready A lot to unravel in the seconds between Batch's shot and GT calling timeout. Only comment is aren't the refs trying to determine when the timeout was GRANTED as opposed to when it was called by the player? That's a bit harder to determine. And if the issues with the clock mysteriously stopping occurred when Batch's shot hit the rim, you add another degree of difficulty to getting the time right. In the end, a good win, lots still to learn and we're on to Sacred Heart.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 13, 2023 15:45:33 GMT -5
Watched the whole game. My first game seeing a "live" HC game (I watched on TV) in at least two years, besides reading religiously here and checking the stats. Some things that stood out: Turnovers were in some cases a case of guys misreading cuts, or breaks behind defenders, and not being on the same page. Some were ill-advised passes. Nevertheless, the team never looked scrambled, or back on their heels. They answered every run by the Hoyas, and didn't let the game go to blowout status like would happen for at least the past ten years prior. HC boxed out very well and was aggressive on the glass on both ends. Not sure I watched many games where I was satisfied with that effort in an HC game in two decades. I kind of hate to call out an individual player, but Batch didn't belong in that game. I'm not sure what he did last year (and the team was terrible last year so does it really matter?), but he was a boy among men in this game. Each time he touched the ball, he bounce-step dribbled five times away from the defense towards half court and picked up his dribble. He contributed zero, save for perhaps passing defense, and then had one of the biggest brain farts on a basketball court this side of a Fab Five timeout. If I am going to do likewise in a positive sense, Octave was not going to lose the game. He didn't even break a sweat. An ice cold killer who wouldn't be denied. The team played very tough in the paint despite being undersized. They took hits and got to the line. They got their hands on rebounds and loose balls. The dished out some heat too around the bucket. They defended that territory with gusto, playing the right way on defense and down low. Some great points here. On Batch, I agree in the sense that the game looked too fast for him, at times. It almost seemed as if he knew he couldn't get a good look whenever he wanted, but when one presented itself he had to take the shot. It is interesting that down the stretch against Siena, he wasn't on the floor at all, but played the final 10:16 against Georgetown. At the low-major / PL level, he's going to be more than fine. I'm not too worried about him. He's had a tough first 80 minutes to begin the season, but I saw more than enough from his as a freshman to know he'll be fine. I'd like to see him play off the ball more. I think that might make him a bit more comfortable. This kid can flat out shoot. 39% 3PT last season. We're going to need him this year.
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