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Post by purplehaze on Feb 11, 2024 17:04:28 GMT -5
Rich H on the Lehigh board is reporting (what we had heard unofficially):
'Starting this season the PL allows 63 schollies. Moreover, the roster cap has been eliminated. Each school can set its own or none as it chooses.' (Now we have to hope for some flexibility in the redshirt rules)
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 11, 2024 20:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by mainejeff on Feb 11, 2024 22:21:25 GMT -5
This should make it easier to attract expansion candidates if the Patriot chooses to add more members.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2024 22:51:17 GMT -5
Isn’t this old news?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 11, 2024 23:27:49 GMT -5
It never gets "old" when it is good news
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2024 5:21:37 GMT -5
IIRC, the PL changes on rosters came about primarily because of the COVID fifth years. There is no change to the NCAA scollie caps (counters) in FBS and FCS.
It seems that JV football disappeared in the Ivy League with the arrival of COVID. The last season I could find was Dartmouth in 2019. IIRC, if there was a JV team, the NCAA allowed one additional coach.
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Post by hc1996 on Feb 12, 2024 7:21:47 GMT -5
The Ivy League basically skirts NCAA rules. Zero roster limits with unlimited aid for players. I’ve said it before, but I know someone within the Yale football program. When we play the Ivies it is not a fair fight. Happy to see our recent success. Hope it continues. Too bad they bend the rules in their favor though.
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Post by gks on Feb 12, 2024 8:21:11 GMT -5
The Ivy League basically skirts NCAA rules. Zero roster limits with unlimited aid for players. I’ve said it before, but I know someone within the Yale football program. When we play the Ivies it is not a fair fight. Happy to see our recent success. Hope it continues. Too bad they bend the rules in their favor though. Don't say the truth too loud. Some here will be triggered to go into uber-Ivy defense mode.
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Post by hc1996 on Feb 12, 2024 8:36:23 GMT -5
The Ivy League basically skirts NCAA rules. Zero roster limits with unlimited aid for players. I’ve said it before, but I know someone within the Yale football program. When we play the Ivies it is not a fair fight. Happy to see our recent success. Hope it continues. Too bad they bend the rules in their favor though. Don't say the truth too loud. Some here will be triggered to go into uber-Ivy defense mode. It's beginning to irk me more as time goes on. Although I appreciate the history of the HC v. Ivy matchups and have advocated for that to continue well on into the future, I'm starting to change my mind. Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, but screw them. Maybe we are better off scheduling more CAA teams....
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2024 9:02:24 GMT -5
The Ivy League basically skirts NCAA rules. Zero roster limits with unlimited aid for players. I’ve said it before, but I know someone within the Yale football program. When we play the Ivies it is not a fair fight. Happy to see our recent success. Hope it continues. Too bad they bend the rules in their favor though. The Ivies have a football recruited roster limit of 120. Dictated by their being allowed to recruit and admit only 30 players a year. (Could run higher with unrecruited walk-ons.) In the fall of 2021, Holy Cross rostered 96 for football, Fordham rostered 94, and Georgetown rostered 107. Villanova 90, SUNY Albany 99 Navy rosters so many that there are 22 players with numbers 0 to 9. That indicates a roster of about 200 or so. Notre Dame 121
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 12, 2024 9:05:04 GMT -5
at the time my understanding... NCAA provided a 5th year of eligibility to Covid classes. & t hat the 5th year players don't count against its scholarship limits? i.e. each school/conference can decide whether or not to exceed the scholarship limits (FBS 85; FCS 63 equivalents for 85 roster slots) with 5th yr Covid players. PL accommodation for 5th yr Covid NCAA eligibility - Added 3 equivalents for their roster slots (outside the FCS 85?) &- Waived their undergrad & medical red shirt requirements.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2024 9:25:26 GMT -5
at the time my understanding... NCAA provided a 5th year of eligibility to Covid classes. & t hat the 5th year players don't count against its scholarship limits? i.e. each school/conference can decide whether or not to exceed the scholarship limits (FBS 85; FCS 63 equivalents for 85 roster slots) with 5th yr Covid players. PL accommodation for 5th yr Covid NCAA eligibility - Added 3 equivalents for their roster slots (outside the FCS 85?) &- Waived their undergrad & medical red shirt requirements. In 2020, the NCAA voted thusly "Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay. In a nod to the financial uncertainty faced by higher education, the Council vote also provided schools with the flexibility to give students the opportunity to return for 2020-21 without requiring that athletics aid be provided at the same level awarded for 2019-20. This flexibility applies only to student-athletes who would have exhausted eligibility in 2019-20." I believe this one year, very limited exception was not further extended. ^^^From Wiki.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 12, 2024 10:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 12, 2024 11:43:49 GMT -5
Was the no non-medical redshirt rule designed to protect the undergraduate only PL member schools?
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 12, 2024 12:35:15 GMT -5
Was the no non-medical redshirt rule designed to protect the undergraduate only PL member schools? Perhaps... but I think it was influenced by the Ivies rules. b/t/w my roommate was offered a non-medical red shirt after '66 football season... he was a w/o who had 2 plays in the '65 BC game & started the whole '66 season. The incoming head coach told him that it had been approved by 'Mahogony Row'... probably had to drop the 2nd semester... he was w/o 2yr started star baseball player & wanted to play in the spring.
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Post by hc1996 on Feb 12, 2024 12:45:21 GMT -5
Has the PL changed its position on non-medical redshirts??
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Post by hcpride on Feb 12, 2024 13:18:44 GMT -5
Was the no non-medical redshirt rule designed to protect the undergraduate only PL member schools? From what? I'd guess it is somehow derivative of some sort of Ivy rule tracing back to the PL's wannabe roots. On another front - Colgate is returning 8 players as fifth-years.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 12, 2024 14:00:41 GMT -5
Don't say the truth too loud. Some here will be triggered to go into uber-Ivy defense mode. It's beginning to irk me more as time goes on. Although I appreciate the history of the HC v. Ivy matchups and have advocated for that to continue well on into the future, I'm starting to change my mind. Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, but screw them. Maybe we are better off scheduling more CAA teams.... Currently, playing the two Ivy teams from Massachusetts and Connecticut is a matter of geographical convenience for HC as well as Harvard and Yale. The remaining New England Ivy League teams, Dartmouth and Brown apparently no longer desire to schedule HC. A bit of trepidation in that they are facing a formidable force on the gridiron. They were nice Saturday road trips in the past with the family. The collegiate football landscape has changed in the 21st Century, and so should we. Ivies playing outside of conference, prefer to stack the deck in their favor and play teams that they have a roster size and financial advantage. Outside of Harvard, Yale, and possibly Princeton, I see no financial reasons playing the five other Ivy members. There is no longer a transformative academic prestige association with hanging with the Ivies for three Saturdays in September and October. The 20th Century is soooo over in that regard. Time to move on and continue to build the HC image on a global basis. Forge our path and image independently of any other institution.
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Post by hc69 on Feb 12, 2024 14:19:15 GMT -5
I fail to understand this obsession with roster size. What difference does it make if you have 100 on your roster or 120? Last time I looked you can only play eleven at a time.
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Post by gks on Feb 12, 2024 14:26:26 GMT -5
I fail to understand this obsession with roster size. What difference does it make if you have 100 on your roster or 120? Last time I looked you can only play eleven at a time. How about depth? Stockpiling due to injuries? The 90 player limit was utterly ridiculous. I can't believe people are questioning this.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2024 15:11:23 GMT -5
I fail to understand this obsession with roster size. What difference does it make if you have 100 on your roster or 120? Last time I looked you can only play eleven at a time. Cost. See, www.diycollegerankings.com/who-pays-for-college-athletes-insurance/9288/I do not know whether HC provides health insurance, for sports-related injuries, for all sports, or for some sports, e.g., ice hockey, football, hoops, or for no sports.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 12, 2024 15:19:12 GMT -5
I fail to understand this obsession with roster size. What difference does it make if you have 100 on your roster or 120? Last time I looked you can only play eleven at a time. Cost. See, www.diycollegerankings.com/who-pays-for-college-athletes-insurance/9288/I do not know whether HC provides health insurance, for sports-related injuries, for all sports, or for some sports, e.g., ice hockey, football, hoops, or for no sports. They had better take care of all sports injuries. Do they integrate coverage with the student's own family plan, that I don't know.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 12, 2024 15:21:30 GMT -5
No non-med redshirts can't help HC against OOC foes. But it can help level the playing field for undergraduate-only HC in competition for the PL auto-bid. Yes? No? Not worth it even if it does?
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Post by hc69 on Feb 12, 2024 15:25:05 GMT -5
Cost is one reason why schools limit roster sizes. Title IX is another.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 12, 2024 15:38:47 GMT -5
No non-med redshirts can't help HC against OOC foes. But it can help level the playing field for undergraduate-only HC in competition for the PL auto-bid. Yes? No? Not worth it even if it does? Not sure I understand your question but HC had plenty of '5th years' the last few years and we are are undergraduate - only. To the extent that is significant. Most of our opponents (PL and OOC had them too). Not sure what you mean by 'worth it'. I think the cost is the same as no '5th years' or just '5th years' for medical redshirts. Since there is a limit on schollies. I guess you could say the last few years were a more level playing field for us. Given our success the last few years I imagine our AD wants to retain the expanded '5th-year' option.
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