xhaav
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Post by xhaav on Feb 22, 2024 9:54:51 GMT -5
Ah - all very interesting. Surprising/disappointing that a fine Jesuit school like Georgetown offers no full rides.
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xhaav
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Post by xhaav on Mar 18, 2024 20:34:29 GMT -5
Got some intel that the acceptance rate this year is 16% - to be announced soon. Bravo - more progress on competitiveness and profile.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 18, 2024 21:40:04 GMT -5
Got some intel that the acceptance rate this year is 16% - to be announced soon. Bravo - more progress on competitiveness and profile. That’s an extraordinary improvement over,say, 5 or 6 years ago. Sensational number. What has driven this ?
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Post by xhaav on Mar 18, 2024 23:31:33 GMT -5
Got some intel that the acceptance rate this year is 16% - to be announced soon. Bravo - more progress on competitiveness and profile. That’s an extraordinary improvement over,say, 5 or 6 years ago. Sensational number. What has driven this ? President Rougeau knows what he is doing and he knows how to raise the profile of an institution, which is what the trustees hired him to do. And he has made strong hires with the right professional credentials to pull it through. HC is reaching out to a far broader pool of applicants, nationally, and is no longer to content to be the if you know you know school for Northeast suburban Catholics from the same old stable of Catholic high schools (not exclusively, of course - but you get my drift). No offense to previous leaders, who were all wonderful in their own ways, but there has been a “that stuff doesn’t matter” attitude for a long time, and that has changed. PVR is also good friends with the President of Colby, who has had a very successful run at doing the same with Colby, and PVR is not afraid to pull through those lessons learned for HC.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 19, 2024 7:23:05 GMT -5
Got some intel that the acceptance rate this year is 16% - to be announced soon. Bravo - more progress on competitiveness and profile. Last year was 21% so 16% (assuming we accept a similar number) represents an expanded pool of applicants. As far as the academic quality of accepted students, our numbers are very fuzzy (test score optional, etc.).
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 19, 2024 7:23:35 GMT -5
The 16 pct acceptance rate is for ‘regular admission’? What pct of the class was accepted ‘early decision’?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 19, 2024 8:10:00 GMT -5
The 16 pct acceptance rate is for ‘regular admission’? What pct of the class was accepted ‘early decision’? We tend to only hear the overall admit rate and have to hit the CDS to find a breakdown. Generally speaking we look to fill half the class via ED (this is a gross approximation) - that is very advantageous to our overall admit rate and it can mean our ED percentage is pretty high.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 19, 2024 9:20:48 GMT -5
The 16 pct acceptance rate is for ‘regular admission’? What pct of the class was accepted ‘early decision’? We tend to only hear the overall admit rate and have to hit the CDS to find a breakdown. Generally speaking we look to fill half the class via ED (this is a gross approximation) - that is very advantageous to our overall admit rate and it can mean our ED percentage is pretty high. Indeed. With Early Decision such a factor it can be hard to interpret what "acceptance rate" and "yield" actually mean......
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Post by alum on Mar 19, 2024 10:56:44 GMT -5
I have traditionally felt that one negative of Early Decision was that it discriminated against students who might feel the need to wait and see what aid or merit money packages they might receive from other schools before making a choice. Our Questbridge involvement addresses this to some degree, but I do imagine that we are leaving some middle class families in a quandry. Middle class including those with $150,000 in annual income, a $2000 per month mortgage, and $100,000 in a college fund to pay for three kids in five years one or more of whom might want to go to a private college.
Still, if the 16% number holds up, good for VR and the admissions staff.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 19, 2024 11:37:51 GMT -5
ED for the class of 2027 was 530 of 823.
HC's numbers tend to be high because the ED numbers include 125-150 recruited athletes. Athletes comprise nearly a quarter of the student body.
Questbridge admits for the class of 2028 are 46, these are ED. For the class of 2027, Questbridge admits were 11.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 19, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -5
I have traditionally felt that one negative of Early Decision was that it discriminated against students who might feel the need to wait and see what aid or merit money packages they might receive from other schools before making a choice. Our Questbridge involvement addresses this to some degree, but I do imagine that we are leaving some middle class families in a quandry. Middle class including those with $150,000 in annual income, a $2000 per month mortgage, and $100,000 in a college fund to pay for three kids in five years one or more of whom might want to go to a private college. Still, if the 16% number holds up, good for VR and the admissions staff. This point is well taken. I wonder if anyone can shed a light on what prospective students and their families can understand about their financial aid, scholarships, grants, etc. options are at the ED stage.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 20, 2024 19:15:09 GMT -5
The College tweeted confirming the 16% acceptance rate and a 10% increase in applications; 36% higher than 2022.
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Post by Xmassader on Mar 20, 2024 19:37:08 GMT -5
The College tweeted confirming the 16% acceptance rate and a 10% increase in applications; 36% higher than 2022. A possible Chesney/Sluka/Dobbs/Coker/Newman effect?🙂
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Post by mm67 on Mar 20, 2024 20:08:20 GMT -5
FCS? Really? Could be, I guess. Also and possibly more important, I believe the College took concrete steps to reach out to more students.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 20, 2024 20:53:47 GMT -5
PAC effect as well?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2024 4:44:38 GMT -5
The College tweeted confirming the 16% acceptance rate and a 10% increase in applications; 36% higher than 2022. When we have good news regarding application/acceptance numbers we are quite capable of pushing that out quickly. And increased applications pushes all sorts of stats in a positive direction. Assuming we’ve now got a handle on yield -- shaped mightily by Early Decision I and II as well as an admissions emphasis on ‘demonstrated interest” — this is looking to be a great performance by the HC admissions folks.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2024 5:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by thesip on Mar 21, 2024 9:56:44 GMT -5
The College tweeted confirming the 16% acceptance rate and a 10% increase in applications; 36% higher than 2022. This is great news. HC deserves to have its current acceptance rate match its historical academic reputation. Presumable SAT and ACT scores will reflect an increase.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 23, 2024 8:22:35 GMT -5
The number of applicants would be about 9,500. The number of accepted applicants would be about 1500. The yield, assuming an enrolling class of about 825, would be about 55 percent. Class of 2027 yield was 45 percent.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 23, 2024 8:35:10 GMT -5
Yield is an important indicator of admissions success. Low acceptance rate with high yield is the standard. There are schools with huge numbers of applicants & low acceptance rates but with low yields. Enlarge the denominator is their policy. This could indicate an over hyped marketing ploy or also, the school is a safety school. HC's decent yield indicates neither is true. Admissions rate/yield is not the end all & be all measurement of the academic quality of a school. Nonetheless the recent admissions data is good news.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 23, 2024 9:05:55 GMT -5
That hypothetical yield number of 55 pct would be amazing if it turns out to be close to the actual number When does the school release regular admissions decisions?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2024 9:14:53 GMT -5
I’d like to see a comparison to some peer schools especially regarding Early Decision How many ED apps does a school receive compared to its expected class size? What is the acceptance rate for ED apps? How much of class is filled via ED? Also, what is the yield on regular acceptances?
One could game acceptance rate and yield by (a) accepting 100% of ED apps and (b) accepting 0% of regular applications .
A balancing act is required. We wouldn’t want potential students to say “don’t bother applying to HC unless you go early decision “
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 23, 2024 9:28:38 GMT -5
I have traditionally felt that one negative of Early Decision was that it discriminated against students who might feel the need to wait and see what aid or merit money packages they might receive from other schools before making a choice. Our Questbridge involvement addresses this to some degree, but I do imagine that we are leaving some middle class families in a quandry. Middle class including those with $150,000 in annual income, a $2000 per month mortgage, and $100,000 in a college fund to pay for three kids in five years one or more of whom might want to go to a private college. Still, if the 16% number holds up, good for VR and the admissions staff. This point is well taken. I wonder if anyone can shed a light on what prospective students and their families can understand about their financial aid, scholarships, grants, etc. options are at the ED stage. My kids were applying ED for 2012 & 2015 admission, but assume the process is the same. - Around 2010 schools were mandated to have a financial aid calculator available. Holy Cross has one (and had one when my kids were applying). In our case the calculator estimate of financial aid was actually a little lower than the actual aid awarded.
- I forget the exact timing, but I think it was shortly after acceptance, the financial aid office provided a preliminary financial aid award based on the finances/tax return from the prior year. My kids were applying in the Fall of 2011 & 2014 so the preliminary award was based on 2010 & 2013 family finances.
- We had to submit updated financials for 2011 & 2014 to get the official awards. Our financial situation did not change much over year over year so the preliminary award was quite close to the actual award.
- I'm sure there is some procedure you must follow/satisfy, but if I understand correctly, a low financial aid award is one reason you can get out of an ED acceptance.
Should you want to see how your would fare if applying to Holy Cross, here is the link to the aid calculator. There are now 2 calculators available. The first one requires a lot less information and so gives you a result quickly. www.holycross.edu/financial-aid/financial-aid-calculator
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Post by hcpride on Mar 23, 2024 16:52:22 GMT -5
ED for the class of 2027 was 530 of 823. HC's numbers tend to be high because the ED numbers include 125-150 recruited athletes. Athletes comprise nearly a quarter of the student body. Questbridge admits for the class of 2028 are 46, these are ED. For the class of 2027, Questbridge admits were 11. I'm eyeballing the 2023-2024 (Class of 2027...the current first-year class) CDS and using those numbers. 1. 511 ED kids accepted (total of 761 ED applicants). That is a 67% ED acceptance rate. 2.Class size is 824. That means 62% of the class was accepted via ED. 3. Given the above, ‘yield’ should be relatively high [511 accepted ED students will ‘yield’ 511 enrolled students]. 4. Filling a large proportion of a class via ED means that RD needs to fill a relatively small proportion of the class . In this case accepting enough RD to fill 300-ish slots (rather than accepting enough RD to fill 800-ish slots). 5. 42 kids enrolled off the waitlist. Interesting. www.holycross.edu/sites/default/files/2024-02/College%20of%20the%20Holy%20Cross%20Common%20Data%20Set%202023-2024.pdf
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 24, 2024 8:45:47 GMT -5
The CDS for the class of 2027 now includes a geographical break-out.
Applications / admittances / enrollees by In-state / out-of-state / international. In-state: 2,697 / 591 (21.9% rate) / 317 Out-of-state: 5,085 / 1,141 (22.4%) / 479 International: 928 / 97 / 28
VR hinted that the out-of-state applications for the class of 2028 were greater than for past years.
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