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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 6, 2024 10:11:25 GMT -5
Interesting video recently posted on You Tube and the Big Green Alert Blog regarding the Ivy League and a very hypothetical scenario regarding relevancy and expansion.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 6, 2024 10:38:04 GMT -5
Interesting video recently posted on You Tube and the Big Green Alert Blog regarding the Ivy League and a very hypothetical scenario regarding relevancy and expansion. Fantasy football. |
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Post by efg72 on Mar 6, 2024 10:41:21 GMT -5
It was a decent video and review of football in the ivy league
Fantasy perhaps, but an enjoyable few minutes watching old film
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Post by hc1996 on Mar 6, 2024 10:45:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, if the Ivies start offering athletic scholarships and/or pony up big bucks for NIL, we are in big trouble.
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 6, 2024 10:57:51 GMT -5
That was well done and very entertaining!
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Post by dharry13 on Mar 6, 2024 12:00:09 GMT -5
Very well done and entertaining. I'd add the only sport that's not allowed to play post season at Ivies is Football. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with studying for exams - because any other team would have the same argument at the schools. I just think it's something they've always done so why change it. Same goes for NESCAC and inability to play postseason. Anyway it entertained me for 15 minutes.
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 7, 2024 9:50:18 GMT -5
Interesting video recently posted on You Tube and the Big Green Alert Blog regarding the Ivy League and a very hypothetical scenario regarding relevancy and expansion. this student should send his resume to Charlie Baker |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 7, 2024 13:57:48 GMT -5
Very well done and entertaining. I'd add the only sport that's not allowed to play post season at Ivies is Football. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with studying for exams - because any other team would have the same argument at the schools. I just think it's something they've always done so why change it. Same goes for NESCAC and inability to play postseason. Anyway it entertained me for 15 minutes. Yep, every other fall sport in the Ivy goes to postseason. No logic. At least the Ivy League finally saw the value in having a conference tournament in Men's and Women's Basketball instead of the regular season champ getting the autobid. Even with that, I THINK they're still the only DI conference that excludes teams from its conference tournament, with only top 4 qualifying. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2024 14:08:02 GMT -5
Very well done and entertaining. I'd add the only sport that's not allowed to play post season at Ivies is Football. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with studying for exams - because any other team would have the same argument at the schools. I just think it's something they've always done so why change it. Same goes for NESCAC and inability to play postseason. Anyway it entertained me for 15 minutes. Yep, every other fall sport in the Ivy goes to postseason. No logic. At least the Ivy League finally saw the value in having a conference tournament in Men's and Women's Basketball instead of the regular season champ getting the autobid. Even with that, I THINK they're still the only DI conference that excludes teams from its conference tournament, with only top 4 qualifying. Image conscious? Do they want to prevent a lucky team that truly stinks repping the league in the play-in round and getting blown out? Actually I doubt it. They are just taking baby steps into normality and will have a full tourney in a few years. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 7, 2024 14:12:57 GMT -5
Yep, every other fall sport in the Ivy goes to postseason. No logic. At least the Ivy League finally saw the value in having a conference tournament in Men's and Women's Basketball instead of the regular season champ getting the autobid. Even with that, I THINK they're still the only DI conference that excludes teams from its conference tournament, with only top 4 qualifying. Image conscious? Do they want to prevent a lucky team that truly stinks repping the league in the play-in round and getting blown out? Actually I doubt it. They are just taking baby steps into normality and will have a full tourney in a few years. Baby step into normality. Wouldn't surprise me if they keep it at 4 teams for a while. Only reason it happened is because about 10 years ago there was a tie for 1st between Yale and Princeton and Ivy protocol was a 1-game playoff to break the tie at a neutral site. After game was announced, the Palestra sold out in a matter of hours. So I guess they figured it would be a good idea to continue with postseason basketball. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2024 14:54:06 GMT -5
The Palestra was more neutral for Penn than Yale but not too far for them. I remember the excitement of that playoff. There have been eight one game Ivy playoffs. Hard to duplicate the excitement but more fair with a tourney. The league tournaments are actually not fair to regular season league winners but everyone knows what they have signed up for.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2024 15:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 8, 2024 13:18:26 GMT -5
Let's be honest though, if the Ivies start offering athletic scholarships and/or pony up big bucks for NIL, we are in big trouble. Something John Silber, former President of BU (another football hater, btw, finally killed the sport there) said over 50 years ago (sic): "Schools like Harvard and Yale have the resources to enable them to have whatever kind of football program they want to have". They've never deviated from their philosophy: what makes you think they are going to now? And if they do, they are not jumping to being a full-blown FCS participant. They would be aiming higher than that. |
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Post by hc69 on Mar 8, 2024 13:34:37 GMT -5
Folks at the Ivies are nothing if not smart, smart enough to know that they want no part of the impending train wreck that is FBS football. FBS schools are praying that Congress steps in and saves them from themselves. Unfortunately, if the wreck happens we may be stuck on the tracks and unable to get out of the way. Collateral damage, as it were . . .
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Post by mm67 on Mar 8, 2024 14:06:51 GMT -5
After nearly 100 years academics are so ingrained in the IL value system & alums it is almost inconceivable these schools would take the leap to full blown football scholarship programs.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2024 17:51:14 GMT -5
Folks at the Ivies are nothing if not smart, smart enough to know that they want no part of the impending train wreck that is FBS football. FBS schools are praying that Congress steps in and saves them from themselves. Unfortunately, if the wreck happens we may be stuck on the tracks and unable to get out of the way. Collateral damage, as it were . . . High FCS is the place to be. Sung to the tune of the theme song of the "Green Acres" sitcom. Amazing that HC can use the low FCS safe and stable PL and skillful ooc scheduling to become a seeded high FCS team. We lived by that sword in 2022 but died from it in 2023 (not to imply that co-league champs isn't an accomplishment) so 2024 will be exciting to watch unfold. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 8, 2024 20:52:10 GMT -5
After nearly 100 years academics are so ingrained in the IL value system & alums it is almost inconceivable these schools would take the leap to full blown football scholarship programs. Penn was once a scholarship program. |
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Post by mm67 on Mar 8, 2024 21:12:49 GMT -5
A close friend, quite a bit older, was a Penn grad as was his dad. Extremely bright. He came from a Penn family, stretching back before his youth in the '30's.He remembered Penn big time football playing teams such as Navy& Michigan. He bemoaned the dropping of those games in favor of an all IL schedule. However he was quite proud & embraced Penn's deemphasis in favor of academics. He was a stickler on doing it the right way.
In the 80's - 90's HC kicked Penn's butt big time at Fitton. We were at the game. He was pissed. Felt HC unnecessarily rolled it up. Some time later at Franklin Field , again against HC, Penn equaled the final score of the earlier game HC in the first half and continued the romp in the second half. We were there. He was quite pleased with the payback. What goes around... We were close and both understood. I don't believe they have scheduled HC since that game.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2024 21:22:46 GMT -5
Get a win then end the series. That way you keep the fact of ending on a winning note.  |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 8, 2024 21:55:20 GMT -5
A close friend, quite a bit older, was a Penn grad as was his dad. Extremely bright. He came from a Penn family, stretching back before his youth in the '30's.He remembered Penn big time football playing teams such as Navy& Michigan. He bemoaned the dropping of those games in favor of an all IL schedule. However he was quite proud & embraced Penn's deemphasis in favor of academics. He was a stickler on doing it the right way. In the 80's - 90's HC kicked Penn's butt big time at Fitton. We were at the game. He was pissed. Felt HC unnecessarily rolled it up. Some time later at Franklin Field , again against HC, Penn equaled the final score of the earlier game HC in the first half and continued the romp in the second half. We were there. He was quite pleased with the payback. What goes around... We were close and both understood. I don't believe they have scheduled HC since that game. I was at both games, having close family affiliation with Penn. My Aunt graduated from the School of Education in 1947, and my Dad worked for Penn. Needless to say, sitting in the rain at Franklin Field was not a pleasant experience as Penn won that afternoon. Franklin Field was the site of my first football game in 1957, to see the Eagles play the Los Angeles Rams. |
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 8, 2024 22:14:15 GMT -5
I was at that Penn game which was during the Vaas era. Penn had a transfer from Northwestern at QB who picked our secondary apart. I believe the final score was 59-8.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 8, 2024 22:15:33 GMT -5
After nearly 100 years academics are so ingrained in the IL value system & alums it is almost inconceivable these schools would take the leap to full blown football scholarship programs. Penn was once a scholarship program. Penn used to lead the nation in attendance believe it or not. There was a time when the Cornell vs. Penn game would fill Franklin field. |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2024 22:29:41 GMT -5
Penn was once a scholarship program. Penn used to lead the nation in attendance believe it or not. There was a time when the Cornell vs. Penn game would fill Franklin field. Ed Marinaro must have lit up Franklin Field as well as Andy Kerr stadium and the rest of the Ivy League pastures. Cornell was on TV multiple times during his tenure as I remember him running through and around opponents. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 8, 2024 23:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2024 10:22:43 GMT -5
HC played Penn 5 times.
1990 HC won a close one
1991 HC won 45-0. Don't think the game was that close, but knowing Duff's track record, he probably rubbed it in a litte.
1994 Penn won 59-8.
2000 HC won 34-17; believe HC was ahead by a lot more than that and Penn made it close.
2001 Penn won 43-7.
Understand the 1994 result even though no one then coaching HC had anything to do with the 1991 game. The 2001 game not sure why there was bad feeling from 2000 but apparently there was. Dan Allen made some comments about it later.
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