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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2017 8:35:41 GMT -5
BU won the 3 point battle 14 to 11, 47% to 38%. BU shooters had a hand in their face for several of those. On the other hand HC missed several uncontested 3s. In my opinion this is where the game was lost. Hope to have our seniors see this BU team again somehow. Agee that in the PO offense it's all about confidently knocking down a variety of wide open shots at various ranges. This is not as easy as it seems in the heat of battle. Not all ball players are good at this anymore. In most offenses you live and die now at one range - the 3 - or by driving intently to hoop and either scoring, getting fouled, or kicking back out for yet another 3. Rarely does one see a pass in the paint and if a 3 was there they took it. One thing I will say is we are getting killed on the press. Teams are slowing us down so that we don't initiate the offense until there's about 17 or 18 seconds on the shot clock. The we weave for another 5 seconds and suddenly the advantage of the PO's ability to tire out defenses with ball movement has been eliminated. When there's no threat of us scoring quickly on a press break, teams will keep pressing. 1-agree with the press comment 2-for the 3--BU's 3s certainly were the factor for them for us, the many missed open free throw jumpers were a much bigger factor
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 27, 2017 8:45:09 GMT -5
BU won the 3 point battle 14 to 11, 47% to 38%. BU shooters had a hand in their face for several of those. On the other hand HC missed several uncontested 3s. In my opinion this is where the game was lost. Hope to have our seniors see this BU team again somehow. Agee that in the PO offense it's all about confidently knocking down a variety of wide open shots at various ranges. This is not as easy as it seems in the heat of battle. Not all ball players are good at this anymore. In most offenses you live and die now at one range - the 3 - or by driving intently to hoop and either scoring, getting fouled, or kicking back out for yet another 3. Rarely does one see a pass in the paint and if a 3 was there they took it. One thing I will say is we are getting killed on the press. Teams are slowing us down so that we don't initiate the offense until there's about 17 or 18 seconds on the shot clock. The we weave for another 5 seconds and suddenly the advantage of the PO's ability to tire out defenses with ball movement has been eliminated. When there's no threat of us scoring quickly on a press break, teams will keep pressing. 1-agree with the press comment 2-for the 3--BU's 3s certainly were the factor for them for us, the many missed open free throw jumpers were a much bigger factorHoly Cross is 10-2 when making better than 50% of its 2 point FG attempts. Our 2 PT percentage versus BU was 39.3%
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 27, 2017 10:48:26 GMT -5
-BU's 3s certainly were the factor for them BU attacked the zones very well - sharp, quick passing, inside-out and reversing around the arc. Any team that executes like that will get lots of open looks because we are very slow afoot and get consistently beaten to the shot. Hope that improves next year - of the incoming frosh, Green runs very well, not so sure about the others.
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Post by hc811215 on Feb 27, 2017 10:53:50 GMT -5
A group of 40 fans made our annual pilgrimage to the Hart Center on Saturday and were not disappointed (except for the final score). It was a great game with the best atmosphere I have seen at the Hart for a regular season game in a long time. Other than the games where they retired numbers, I think this is the best regular season crowd in a decade. Also, the student enthusiasm was just wonderful. One of my friends remarked that it reminded him of the Hart in the late 70s. Physically, the Hart looks much brighter and the floor looks great. Despite the loss, I thought our team played hard and played well. They never gave up. when this season is over, I am going to miss watching Champion, Thompson, Alexander, and Husek. They have represented us well and I hope they continue to do so for at least 4 or 5 more games.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2017 10:54:20 GMT -5
-BU's 3s certainly were the factor for them BU attacked the zones very well - sharp, quick passing, inside-out and reversing around the arc. Any team that executes like that will get lots of open looks because we are very slow afoot and get consistently beaten to the shot. Plus, many of their 3s, esp on the right wing in the second half, were very deep, NBA range and beyond. Made it even more difficult to rotate to not many teams take 30 of their 46 shots,19 of 26 in the second half and OT, from 3
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 27, 2017 10:57:07 GMT -5
-BU's 3s certainly were the factor for them BU attacked the zones very well - sharp, quick passing, inside-out and reversing around the arc. Any team that executes like that will get lots of open looks because we are very slow afoot and get consistently beaten to the shot. Hope that improves next year - of the incoming frosh, Green runs very well, not so sure about the others. I also saw those quick, crisp passes. They were impressive, especially at the start of the second half. If Green plays like his namesake, I will have no complaints.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 27, 2017 12:01:51 GMT -5
I watched the second half on the web feed. Here are my takes:
- I wonder how many 3 pointers that BU player would have to nail before Carmody either had a guy shadow him, or switch out of the zone. We just kept rolling the 2-3 out, BU would swing the ball around quickly, and have a bunch of open (some semi-contested) 3 point shots. Good shooting teams RELISH PLAYING AGAINST A ZONE!
- At the end of regulation, and our last possession in OT, HC did not seem to run a play. We brought the ball up lackadaisically, sort of farted around, and didn't get a shot off. It was as if the team didn't know it was losing.
- We take WAY too much time taking the air out of the ball when we are losing, and the shot clock is winding down. There is zero attack on offense. No urgency, no aggression. RC tried forcing a few plays and was bailed out with a foul call (awful call) when heaving up a 3-pointer after traveling and initiating contact himself.
- I am surprised the refs didn't review when the clock struck 0.0-- they seemed interested in reviewing almost every play that was close, despite having refs RIGHT on top of the play making the call fairly immediately.
- To that end (it didn't seem to cost HC the game, but) the refs were pretty bad. Missed shove by BU point guard throwing defender to the ground, called a blocking foul... the aforementioned RC 3 point shot foul... the bald ref was trying to make it his show, and it was annoying as a fan. Weird ones against each team.
- We certainly don't panic when the press is rolled out against us. But we are loose with the ball, and slow with our play. Leaves our pass-the-ball-around-the-peremeter offense with even less time to heave up a prayer with the shot clock more than halfway wasted.
- AT is the girl with the curl. Awful when bad, and great when good. He makes plays that wouldn't fly on a grade school JV team, and then he follows that up with a bomb of a big-balled 3 point rainbow shot. Just like this team, an enigma that puzzles the mind, and is wildly inconsistent.
- I saw one box out in the entire second half on our part, on a defensive rebound. Led to a questionable over-the-back call against BU and we gained possession. Other than that, we got murdered on a few offensive rebounds being tipped out/kicked out for a 3 point shot. Funny how good things happen when you box out. That's why they teach it in basketball 101.
- We did miss some pretty good looks at the elbow/foul line area to start OT. We shot short, so nerves/legs were getting the better of us late.
- Great to see a pretty full Hart Center. The noise came through on the webcast, and it looked great too. THOSE are the sorts of games that we HAVE to have a win, otherwise those people won't show up!
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2017 12:29:59 GMT -5
1-we. Have not played 2-3 zone all season. We switch between a 1-3-1 and matchup. We most often play the 1-3-1 after our misse, which were frequent at the start of the second half. That was the d that was beaten by 3s. We di switch to mostly matchupmafter that. 2-boxing out is very difficult with all zones--not an excuse, a fact. It still can and should be done. We do not do it well. Though Bu got only 4 offensive rebounds for the game
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 27, 2017 12:53:19 GMT -5
1-we. Have not played 2-3 zone all season. We switch between a 1-3-1 and matchup. We most often play the 1-3-1 after our misse, which were frequent at the start of the second half. That was the d that was beaten by 3s. We di switch to mostly matchupmafter that. 2-boxing out is very difficult with all zones--not an excuse, a fact. It still can and should be done. We do not do it well. Though Bu got only 4 offensive rebounds for the game The announcers on Saturday were calling it an "amoeba" defense, which I think may be a more accurate description than a "matchup." (We have some really whacky rotations, including having our center chase guys on the 3-point line) Regarding rebounding from a matchup defense, when we played a true matchup under RW, our opponent OReb % rankings were 7 / 1 / 86 / 33 / 13 / 44 / 144 / 14 (from 2002-09). We are 266 this year.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2017 13:25:42 GMT -5
1-I believe that the centers chasing the three point shooters is not planned, but out of necessity in a scramble. Call it what you want . We are #148 in adjusted D according to pomeroy. not ideal, but an improvement over last season.
2-RW was a defensive genius, as most coaches agree. His matchup was masterful. Few coaches, inc Pitino, can implement it without RW. CBC is a fine coach, but not an RW, especially on defense, though as noted above the d has improved. RW taught great defensive rebounding to many large and willing learners, which we currently do not have. 3-I believe we will improve, especially on offense, as CBC gets more of his own recruits. you, of course, have different thoughts.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 27, 2017 13:28:26 GMT -5
Lack of team speed hurts in the zone. Need speed to effectively closeout. We lack team speed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 27, 2017 13:33:25 GMT -5
Good, objective take, hchoops.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 27, 2017 13:41:38 GMT -5
1-we. Have not played 2-3 zone all season. We switch between a 1-3-1 and matchup. We most often play the 1-3-1 after our misse, which were frequent at the start of the second half. That was the d that was beaten by 3s. We di switch to mostly matchupmafter that. That wasn't a match-up zone. It was 2-3 as strictly as can be. Regardless, whatever you call that particular defense, my criticism was that it seemed to continue to product the same shot (left [defense's] high corner extended, three pointer) by the same player, with no effort or attempt to change or alter the results.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 27, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -5
As i wrote above, the d that was beaten during their 16-2 start of the second half run was almost totally 1-3-1. We do not play any 2-3 in spite of what you write.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 27, 2017 14:11:20 GMT -5
I was watching the game. To say "we don't play" 2-3 zone belies what was being done on the floor for that large swath of the second half. And as I stated otherwise, my gripe is not that we played it, or any defense in particular... my gripe is that we continued to play it as it was getting obliterated by largely-open 3 point shots.
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