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Post by DiMarz on Aug 4, 2017 19:54:17 GMT -5
2017-18 PATRIOT LEAGUE SCHEDULE
FRI 12-28 COLGATE TUE 1-2 at LAFAYETTE FRI 1-5 at LEHIGH MON 1-8 LOYOLA THUR 1-11 at NAVY SUN 1-14 BOS. UNIV WED 1-17 ARMY SAT 1-20 at BUCKNELL WED 1-24 at AMERICAN SAT 1-27 LAFAYETTE WED 1-31 LEHIGH SAT 2-3 at LOYOLA WED 2-7 NAVY SAT 2-10 at BOS. UNIV WED 2-14 at ARMY SAT 2-17 BUCKNELL WED 2-21 AMERICAN SAT 2-24 at COLGATE
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 5, 2017 3:49:19 GMT -5
Why does Colgate start and finish the schedule when others are at regular intervals - and in the same order?
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 5, 2017 5:14:26 GMT -5
I don't think this is out of the ordinary. If memory serves, we played BU the first and last game of the PL schedule the last couple of years.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 5, 2017 5:38:41 GMT -5
I remember that, I just wondered why it is set up that way.
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Post by Tom on Aug 5, 2017 9:29:26 GMT -5
Something the league set up to start and finish with an old "travel partner" as some sort of rivalry promotion. Everybody did it. That being said. I have no idea why we BU (which we're promoting the heck out of as a rival) was traded out for Colgate
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 5, 2017 9:35:19 GMT -5
BU in that spot would seem to make more sense than Colgate.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 5, 2017 10:09:29 GMT -5
Based on the HC academic schedule, the change is favorable to the team regarding travel. Lafayette and Lehigh are back to back away, while school is between semesters. Also, Bucknell, Colgate and Loyola are away on Saturday, allowing for the team to miss less class time. The schedule also allows HC fans to travel to the away games.
Seems like the travel schedule is a win-win for a young team from an academic standpoint. And for us fans from a travel standpoint. Finally some one understands. 🤗
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Post by hchoops on Aug 5, 2017 10:21:00 GMT -5
Or probably a coincidence
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Post by bison137 on Aug 5, 2017 11:43:12 GMT -5
Based on the HC academic schedule, the change is favorable to the team regarding travel. Lafayette and Lehigh are back to back away, while school is between semesters. Also, Bucknell, Colgate and Loyola are away on Saturday, allowing for the team to miss less class time. The schedule also allows HC fans to travel to the away games. Seems like the travel schedule is a win-win for a young team from an academic standpoint. And for us fans from a travel standpoint. Finally some one understands. 🤗 Note that next year the schedule's first half and second half will be reversed. But Bucknell and Colgate will still be on Saturdays, Bucknell vs Holy Cross games have always been scheduled on weekends since the league was formed
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Post by bison137 on Aug 5, 2017 11:44:38 GMT -5
Something the league set up to start and finish with an old "travel partner" as some sort of rivalry promotion. Everybody did it. That being said. I have no idea why we BU (which we're promoting the heck out of as a rival) was traded out for Colgate For logistical reasons, with an odd number of opponents, teams can't have exactly the same schedule in the second half as they have in the first half. But it had nothing to do with rivalries.
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Post by Tom on Aug 5, 2017 12:42:01 GMT -5
Something the league set up to start and finish with an old "travel partner" as some sort of rivalry promotion. Everybody did it. That being said. I have no idea why we BU (which we're promoting the heck out of as a rival) was traded out for Colgate For logistical reasons, with an odd number of opponents, teams can't have exactly the same schedule in the second half as they have in the first half. But it had nothing to do with rivalries. Why not? When it was an 8 team league there were an odd number of opponents and the second half matched the first half
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Post by bison137 on Aug 5, 2017 14:41:53 GMT -5
For logistical reasons, with an odd number of opponents, teams can't have exactly the same schedule in the second half as they have in the first half. But it had nothing to do with rivalries. Why not? When it was an 8 team league there were an odd number of opponents and the second half matched the first half I misstated what I meant. When there were seven opponents, that allowed the schedule to have a "bye" between the two halves, so that whoever you played on the road the first half you would also play on the road in the second half. With nine opponents, there is no longer a "bye", so if the schedule merely repeated, then your weekend opponents the first half would become your Wednesday opponents the second half - which they don't want for travel purposes. One easy way to sync things up is to simply skip an opponent starting the second half - which creates a situation where the weekend opponents the first half are also the weekend opponents the second half. Then the team you skipped to start the second half is slotted in at the end of the schedule.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 5, 2017 16:16:29 GMT -5
Too much analysis of the minutiae. You play every team in the league home and away. End of story.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 5, 2017 16:42:24 GMT -5
But our scheduling has been insane. Every attempt should be made to travel far during breaks and weekends during conference.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 5, 2017 17:38:49 GMT -5
But our scheduling has been insane. Every attempt should be made to travel far during breaks and weekends during conference. The game at Bucknell has always been on a weekend. HC gets to tell the league which road trips they want on weekends. However every team will have the same number of conference away games during the week.
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Post by Tom on Aug 6, 2017 20:02:31 GMT -5
Why not? When it was an 8 team league there were an odd number of opponents and the second half matched the first half I misstated what I meant. When there were seven opponents, that allowed the schedule to have a "bye" between the two halves, so that whoever you played on the road the first half you would also play on the road in the second half. With nine opponents, there is no longer a "bye", so if the schedule merely repeated, then your weekend opponents the first half would become your Wednesday opponents the second half - which they don't want for travel purposes. One easy way to sync things up is to simply skip an opponent starting the second half - which creates a situation where the weekend opponents the first half are also the weekend opponents the second half. Then the team you skipped to start the second half is slotted in at the end of the schedule. OK - that's a logical explanation.
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Post by Crosser on Aug 11, 2017 0:03:51 GMT -5
Why not? When it was an 8 team league there were an odd number of opponents and the second half matched the first half I misstated what I meant. When there were seven opponents, that allowed the schedule to have a "bye" between the two halves, so that whoever you played on the road the first half you would also play on the road in the second half. With nine opponents, there is no longer a "bye", so if the schedule merely repeated, then your weekend opponents the first half would become your Wednesday opponents the second half - which they don't want for travel purposes. One easy way to sync things up is to simply skip an opponent starting the second half - which creates a situation where the weekend opponents the first half are also the weekend opponents the second half. Then the team you skipped to start the second half is slotted in at the end of the schedule. I am in awe of this explanation!.......Really, I am.
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Post by nhteamer on Aug 12, 2017 8:56:43 GMT -5
WIN
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Post by hc811215 on Aug 14, 2017 15:08:57 GMT -5
Terrible schedule for those travelling up to HC from any distance. I can't figure why we have so few home Saturday games. We play 6 times on Saturdays, only twice at home and 4 on the road.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 14, 2017 16:37:30 GMT -5
Terrible schedule for those travelling up to HC from any distance. I can't figure why we have so few home Saturday games. We play 6 times on Saturdays, only twice at home and 4 on the road. Coaches and administrators have decided they don't want to start the league schedule before Christmas. With the 2018 NCAA calendar the way it is, to cram in 18 games starting December 28th, it is necessary to squeeze the first six games into 18 days (instead of the usual 21 days). To accomplish that - and still have two offdays between each game, which the coaches want - it is not possible to have Saturday games the first two weeks of January, Theoretically, they could have had one the opening Saturday however.. Not sure why they didn't do that, unless it was a coaches' decision to have as many off-days as possible. In any event, to squeeze in the games, the second, fourth, and sixth games are being played Tuesday, Monday, and then Sunday - each week gaining one day. That sets it up to resume Wednesday/Saturday scheduling the rest of the year. Next season's NCAA calendar is a lot more favorable, and the PL schedule will thus not be squeezed. HC will have eight Saturday games (four at home) and one Sunday game over the nine weeks. The schedule will be played over nine full weeks - no squeezing. It will also be played over nine full weeks the following year.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 14, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -5
At first I thought ADNP had learned, maybe from the Board, that playing BU on the 28th, or last year the 30th?, of December is really, really dumb. But then I look at the schedule it has BU on Sunday and Saturday. Also very dumb. BU should play at our place on a Wed and us at their place on a Wednesday. Nate, stop trying to put a square peg in a round hole, BU is not a rivalry game for us. Stop it, just stop it.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2017 18:09:24 GMT -5
I believe that the PL puts together the league schedule , if I am not mistaken.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 14, 2017 18:40:41 GMT -5
That's where a strong leader in the AD chair comes in. If the schedule is done by cretins at PL House, and HC and other schools are disadvantaged travel-wise, then AD's like ADNP have to step in. BU for us HAS TO BE on Wednesdays during class time. Never, never during semester break or any other break should we be playing them. Same for AU and LU, Lehi and Lafayette, etc. Woe the humanity if we played BU twice during the second half of the season? We seem to play Bucknell on weekends. Makes sense. Does that happen by accident?
Same for ooc. We should try to play as often as we can during weekends/breaks for travel games and mid-week for our rivalry games with the SHUs and Fairfields.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 14, 2017 18:52:46 GMT -5
That sounds good in theory, but the cretins at PL House have 9 other ADs to keep happy sometimes you're preferences are not the preferences of 6 other strong leaders in the AD Chairs and so you have to live with it.
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Post by ncaam on Aug 14, 2017 19:28:32 GMT -5
I understand there are 10 teams in the league that have to be taken care of. I believe the system of scheduling the cretins at pl house use now can be improved on for ALL.
Recommendation: Next year when Nate Pine hands over the turnpike trophy to the Boston University Athletic Director, he suggests that Holy Cross and bu contact the Patriot league and tell them two Wednesdays they want to play there basketball games on next season. Then on those same Wednesdays likely American University and Navy and Loyola and Lafayette and Lehigh and Bucknell and Army and Colgate make the same recommendation. Makes too much sense so it won't happen.
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