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Post by sarasota on May 24, 2016 10:54:50 GMT -5
Scott had two years left on his contract at Denver when he was let go. That explains how HC can afford him.
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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2016 10:55:30 GMT -5
This quote sounds good: "Personally, I will miss Scott as DU’s coach. His Princeton system was detailed and different from other college basketball programs. When it worked, it was a joy to watch. Ball movement, moving players, precision shooting and backdoor cuts could make other teams look silly. It enabled DU’s lower level of recruited athletes to beat programs with bigger and more athletic players. It also had disciplined, measured focus on team play that for this fan, was more fun to watch then the individualistic, run-and-gun (and miss) style most other college programs run these days. Scott also won a lot of games, and took the program from the Division I gutter in 2007 to a top 100 program (there are 350 programs in Division I) in recent years."
That all sounds very good and complimentary to CBC's style.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 24, 2016 11:45:43 GMT -5
When we looked at the records of CMB and Coach Carmody when they were hired, I thought it was important to put their records in context by seeing how they had done versus the recent W-L records of their programs. Some posters disagreed, suggesting that the fact that Northwestern's significant improvement in its Big 10 W-L record under Bill Carmody did not mean much. In any case, here are the facts on how Joe Scott fared as head coach at Denver versus his two predecessors
Marty Fletcher = 26-57 = .313 in 1 year as independent and 2 years as Sunbelt team
Terry Carroll= 79-99= .444 as Sunbelt team
Joe Scott= 80-76= .513 as Sunbelt Team then 22-10 = .688 as WAC team then 44-48= .478 as Summit Team
Unlike the Carmody analysis for NU, the data above cover all games, not just conference games. With Bill Carmody I wanted to make sure his winning teams were not just due to cupcake OOC scheduling.
The Sunbelt was #17 conference (Per Ken Pomeroy) in Scott's first season and #19 in Denver's last year in that conference.
WAC was #14 in Denver's only WAC season
Summit was #18 conference in Denver first season there and #16 last season
I do understand that Coach Scott will have a different role at HC than at Denver but I thought this still might be interesting to some posters
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Post by dadominate on May 24, 2016 12:00:43 GMT -5
When we looked at the records of CMB and Coach Carmody when they were hired, I thought it was important to put their records in context by seeing how they had done versus the recent W-L records of their programs. Some posters disagreed, suggesting that the fact that Northwestern's significant improvement in its Big 10 W-L record under Bill Carmody did not mean much. In any case, here are the facts on how Joe Scott fared as head coach at Denver versus his two predecessors Marty Fletcher = 26-57 = .313 in 1 year as independent and 2 years as Sunbelt team Terry Carroll= 79-99= .444 as Sunbelt team Joe Scott= 80-76= .513 as Sunbelt Team then 22-10 = .688 as WAC team then 44-48= .478 as Summit Team Unlike the Carmody analysis for NU, the data above cover all games, not just conference games. With Bill Carmody I wanted to make sure his winning teams were not just due to cupcake OOC scheduling. The Sunbelt was #17 conference (Per Ken Pomeroy) in Scott's first season and #19 in Denver's last year in that conference. WAC was #14 in Denver's only WAC season Summit was #18 conference in Denver first season there and #16 last season I do understand that Coach Scott will have a different role at HC than at Denver but I thought this still might be interesting to some posters very interesting, indeed. thanks, ky. i also think it is impressive how scott completely turned around the air force program and brought them to the ncaa tournament as an at-large bid in his final year. they also gave north carolina a tough game in the ncaa tournament, losing by 11 points.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2016 12:02:34 GMT -5
Thanks, KY Very helpful Having two highly experienced coaches on the bench is a real positive, especially two who have worked together successfully. In practice, I presume Scott will have a major role. In games, I forsee Carmody frequently asking, encouraging and listening to Scott 's input
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Post by HC92 on May 24, 2016 12:08:17 GMT -5
KenPom Ranking of Scott's Denver teams:
2007-08: 231 197 191 217 75 53 143 218 2015-16: 186
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Post by bison137 on May 24, 2016 12:33:50 GMT -5
When we looked at the records of CMB and Coach Carmody when they were hired, I thought it was important to put their records in context by seeing how they had done versus the recent W-L records of their programs. Some posters disagreed, suggesting that the fact that Northwestern's significant improvement in its Big 10 W-L record under Bill Carmody did not mean much. In any case, here are the facts on how Joe Scott fared as head coach at Denver versus his two predecessors Marty Fletcher = 26-57 = .313 in 1 year as independent and 2 years as Sunbelt team Terry Carroll= 79-99= .444 as Sunbelt team Joe Scott= 80-76= .513 as Sunbelt Team then 22-10 = .688 as WAC team then 44-48= .478 as Summit Team Unlike the Carmody analysis for NU, the data above cover all games, not just conference games. With Bill Carmody I wanted to make sure his winning teams were not just due to cupcake OOC scheduling. I The Sunbelt was #17 conference (Per Ken Pomeroy) in Scott's first season and #19 in Denver's last year in that conference. WAC was #14 in Denver's only WAC season Summit was #18 conference in Denver first season there and #16 last season I do understand that Coach Scott will have a different role at HC than at Denver but I thought this still might be interesting to some posters Dont think you'd want to do the same analysis of his coaching record at Princeton however.
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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2016 12:36:07 GMT -5
I assume we will not have to endure long discussions of who has the inside track when it comes to 1st assistant in terms of bench coaching.
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Post by sader1970 on May 24, 2016 12:42:13 GMT -5
Oh, you must be new here, RGS.
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Post by HC92 on May 24, 2016 13:02:56 GMT -5
When we looked at the records of CMB and Coach Carmody when they were hired, I thought it was important to put their records in context by seeing how they had done versus the recent W-L records of their programs. Some posters disagreed, suggesting that the fact that Northwestern's significant improvement in its Big 10 W-L record under Bill Carmody did not mean much. In any case, here are the facts on how Joe Scott fared as head coach at Denver versus his two predecessors Marty Fletcher = 26-57 = .313 in 1 year as independent and 2 years as Sunbelt team Terry Carroll= 79-99= .444 as Sunbelt team Joe Scott= 80-76= .513 as Sunbelt Team then 22-10 = .688 as WAC team then 44-48= .478 as Summit Team Unlike the Carmody analysis for NU, the data above cover all games, not just conference games. With Bill Carmody I wanted to make sure his winning teams were not just due to cupcake OOC scheduling. I The Sunbelt was #17 conference (Per Ken Pomeroy) in Scott's first season and #19 in Denver's last year in that conference. WAC was #14 in Denver's only WAC season Summit was #18 conference in Denver first season there and #16 last season I do understand that Coach Scott will have a different role at HC than at Denver but I thought this still might be interesting to some posters Dont think you'd want to do the same analysis of his coaching record at Princeton however. In his 4th year at Air Force, their KenPom was 43. In his 5th year at Denver, their KenPom was 75 (followed by 53). Seems like a guy who does well with his own players. Not so much with inherited players. Princeton didn't let him get to years 4 and 5. Given that he'd be moving up from #1 assistant, I hope he'd have his guys and be able to win right away at HC if/when the time comes.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 24, 2016 13:08:31 GMT -5
When we looked at the records of CMB and Coach Carmody when they were hired, I thought it was important to put their records in context by seeing how they had done versus the recent W-L records of their programs. Some posters disagreed, suggesting that the fact that Northwestern's significant improvement in its Big 10 W-L record under Bill Carmody did not mean much. In any case, here are the facts on how Joe Scott fared as head coach at Denver versus his two predecessors Marty Fletcher = 26-57 = .313 in 1 year as independent and 2 years as Sunbelt team Terry Carroll= 79-99= .444 as Sunbelt team Joe Scott= 80-76= .513 as Sunbelt Team then 22-10 = .688 as WAC team then 44-48= .478 as Summit Team Unlike the Carmody analysis for NU, the data above cover all games, not just conference games. With Bill Carmody I wanted to make sure his winning teams were not just due to cupcake OOC scheduling. I The Sunbelt was #17 conference (Per Ken Pomeroy) in Scott's first season and #19 in Denver's last year in that conference. WAC was #14 in Denver's only WAC season Summit was #18 conference in Denver first season there and #16 last season I do understand that Coach Scott will have a different role at HC than at Denver but I thought this still might be interesting to some posters Dont think you'd want to do the same analysis of his coaching record at Princeton however. I was not trying to hide anything but you are right and here is the info: His record at Princeton (38-45= .458) was not nearly as good as that of his predecessor, John Thompson II who went 68-42= .619 At Air Force Joe's predecessor Reggie MInton went 40-90= .308 while Joe followed with 51-63= .447, a marked improvement
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Post by rgs318 on May 24, 2016 13:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by southernsader on May 24, 2016 21:39:53 GMT -5
The alma maters of our 3 assistants are now Princeton, Northwestern and Michigan. The massive staff upgrade from the prior regime is complete.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 24, 2016 21:55:31 GMT -5
The alma maters of our 3 assistants are now Princeton, Northwestern and Michigan. The massive staff upgrade from the prior regime is complete. Not Michigan. Wisconsin with Masters from Iowa State.
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Post by southernsader on May 25, 2016 7:14:25 GMT -5
Sorry - brain cramp - Wisconsin - but point the same.
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Post by dadominate on May 25, 2016 8:37:32 GMT -5
Sorry - brain cramp - Wisconsin - but point the same. and it's an excellent point, southernsader. the basketball and academic pedigree of this coaching staff has undergone a complete overhaul. our coaches are all well-spoken graduates of strong academic schools (important for the academic selling point of holy cross) with head coaching experience at princeton x 2, northwestern, air force and two assistants with playing experience in the big 10, one growing up the son of a coach in the acc, and the other who has coaching experience in the pac-12. this is really pretty incredible to have leading a program at our level. we have without question the best staff in the patriot league and probably one of the stronger low-/mid-major staffs in america. i have some concerns about next year's team for a few reasons, but between the strong coaching staff, new facilities, an athletic director who means business/prioritizes basketball, and a few potential stars in the making on the roster, i think this is the most positive outlook for holy cross basketball we have had in quite some time!
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Post by sarasota on May 25, 2016 9:32:10 GMT -5
My gut tells me Scott may be simply parked at HC, i.e., a temporary way station till he connects with another head coaching gig. In retrospect, isn't that what happened with Carmody being at Fairfield?
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 25, 2016 9:51:32 GMT -5
My gut tells me Scott may be simply parked at HC, i.e., a temporary way station till he connects with another head coaching gig. In retrospect, isn't that what happened with Carmody being at Fairfield? Definitely a possibility. When you lose your job at age fifty, it's good to have a friend in the business. That said, Scott should be an excellent asset in practice, on the bench, and as an alter ego for Carmody to bounce P.O. ideas off.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 25, 2016 9:59:08 GMT -5
My gut tells me Scott may be simply parked at HC, i.e., a temporary way station till he connects with another head coaching gig. In retrospect, isn't that what happened with Carmody being at Fairfield? I was thinking that it is more likely that Joe Scott may be coming on board with the possibility of succeeding Bill Carmody as Holy Cross head coach in a few years. He understands the Princeton Offense and perhaps Coach Carmody's long-term goal would be to keep that system in place at Holy Cross
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Post by sonsofspitler on May 25, 2016 10:41:59 GMT -5
My gut tells me Scott may be simply parked at HC, i.e., a temporary way station till he connects with another head coaching gig. In retrospect, isn't that what happened with Carmody being at Fairfield? I was thinking that it is more likely that Joe Scott may be coming on board with the possibility of succeeding Bill Carmody as Holy Cross head coach in a few years. He understands the Princeton Offense and perhaps Coach Carmody's long-term goal would be to keep that system in place at Holy Cross Temporary way station, succession plan, or something in between. Any way you look at it, this is a very, VERY good thing for Holy Cross basketball.
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Post by HC92 on May 25, 2016 11:15:03 GMT -5
Scott's at the point where he'll get one more head job. May as well stick it out at HC until he takes over. Having a clear succession plan would help with recruiting.
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Post by sarasota on May 25, 2016 15:57:08 GMT -5
I agree that the "succession" theory is very plausible. And great for all parties involved. It is amazing what a leap forward this program has made during the course of one season.
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 26, 2016 10:03:44 GMT -5
Notice on the DU blog about Scott's hire, and a little retrospect on his tenure in Denver. Interesting read, though marred by the writer's assertion that Carmody took Holy Cross to its first NCAA tournament appearance - yikes . . . letsgodu.com/2016/05/24/joe-scott-lands-at-holy-cross/
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Post by Chu Chu on May 26, 2016 11:12:43 GMT -5
I was thinking that it is more likely that Joe Scott may be coming on board with the possibility of succeeding Bill Carmody as Holy Cross head coach in a few years. He understands the Princeton Offense and perhaps Coach Carmody's long-term goal would be to keep that system in place at Holy Cross Temporary way station, succession plan, or something in between. Any way you look at it, this is a very, VERY good thing for Holy Cross basketball. I find this hire fascinating, and agree it is a very good thing for our team's future. It fits into an overall pattern of excellent coaching hires since AD Nate Pine has arrived, and I get a sense that we are doing what it takes to compete with a level of athletic excellence that complements our academic excellence. Go cross!
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Post by southernsader on May 26, 2016 11:55:33 GMT -5
Props to WorcesterGray and to NonAlumDave for correcting that egregious mistake in the Denver blog with their comments thereon.
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