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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 11:32:37 GMT -5
One thing I'll be very interested in seeing tomorrow night is who spells (or complements) Jehyve up front. If Stevens is hurt or otherwise not up to it, presume it will be Faw - based only on what I watched on video during his HS tournament, he does seem to have a good nose for rebounds and can block/alter shots inside. Grandy may be the first sub for the bigs
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 12:10:38 GMT -5
One thing I'll be very interested in seeing tomorrow night is who spells (or complements) Jehyve up front. If Stevens is hurt or otherwise not up to it, presume it will be Faw - based only on what I watched on video during his HS tournament, he does seem to have a good nose for rebounds and can block/alter shots inside. Grandy may be the first sub for the bigs Basically the same size as Charles. I know our current system doesn't necessarily use traditional roles, but 6-6 is a little short for a "5". It could happen, but we'll be a little short
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 12:20:50 GMT -5
Vertically challenged players became a common thing on recent HC teams...and have been able to make a positive impact. Some of us remember when HC fans wished for a point guard who could handle the ball and run the offense - even if under 6'0".
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5
Some NBA teams play with an undersized defensive 5, ex. The Warriors with Draymond Green I have not seen Grandy, but if ne can defensive rebound and defend, size may not matter as much, esp if he can pass and shoot the 3 from the high post in the Princeton or zone offenses.
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Post by hc811215 on Oct 31, 2017 13:41:43 GMT -5
I cannot wait for the season to start. I can't recall a season in more than a decade when we had so many questions and so much potential upside from a group of freshman. We have a high quality coach and some real potential to have a very good shooting team. With any young team we are going to have challenges and setbacks, but I do feel this team is going to surprise a lot of people this year. Alan Greenspan might accuse me of irrational exuberance, but I do predict this team will be fun to watch this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 13:45:34 GMT -5
I have followed teams that may not have had a good overall record, but were in every game and, win or lose, were FUN to watch. I guess your "irrational exuberance" can be contagious.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 13:48:16 GMT -5
Some NBA teams play with an undersized defensive 5, ex. The Warriors with Draymond Green I have not seen Grandy, but if ne can defensive rebound and defend, size may not matter as much, esp if he can pass and shoot the 3 from the high post in the Princeton or zone offenses. Perhaps a back man in the 1-3-1?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2017 13:59:38 GMT -5
To me, one of the key issues this year (I may have bored you all with this before) is "Who will take the shots?" this season. When you take a look at the data, you see that we have graduated the players who (1) were called upon to take the shots or (2) really liked to shoot.
I look at about 10 FGA/40 minutes as "average" for a CBC HC player (actual number was 9.7 last year and 10.6 the year before) and we are a team that plays at a slow pace. Here's who was taking the shots last season
FGA/40 Minutes----Player
14.2----Robert Champion. RC was a "go-to" guy and clearly liked to shoot
12.2---Malachi Alexander---excellent shooter and we have to be glad that he did want the ball
11.3 ---Matt Husek--MH had, in my opinion, beautiful shooting form
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8.9----Clayton LeSann CLS had limited minutes of play but when he was in he did take some shots
7.8---Karl Charles--- this is the key number, in my opinion. KC will have to shoot a lot more often, at least 12+ FGA/40 minutes, for HC to do well. We're going to have to go to him more often and he's going to need to change his game. He's a good shooter. 7.8/40 falls into the "reluctant" zone for me and KC should not be reluctant to shoot.
7.8---Pat Benzan---I love this guy. Many of these FGA were after his drives to the basket or when he slipped past a defender and then got the ball in close. He'll need to take more shots this year and I like what I heard earlier about PB working on his 3 point shot.
7.5---Matt Zignorski---MZ came to HC with a reputation as a shooter, but this number is clearly "reluctant". As a freshman he played a lot more minutes and his FGA/40 was at 10.4
6.7---Anthony Thompson
5.9---Jehyve Floyd---this is an extremely low number (compare to Kevin Hyland's 6.8/40 for his career). I know we don't expect JF to be a prolific jump shooter
So, who will take shots we need to take to (1) score, (2) get fouled, (3) not lose the ball to the shot clock? We'll need to take 50 shots per game....
I'll look for KC to shoot a lot more often (at least 12.0+/40) and to score 15+ PPG (others have mentioned this of course). KC also has shown an ability to draw fouls and to convert when he gets to the line.
PB---10.0+ per 40?? He can (needs to?) score 10+ points per game.
JF---7.0 may be reasonable
MP--If he gets a lot of playing time I think he could be a scorer. In his very few minutes played as a freshman he was not reluctant to shoot--small sample though
MZ-- If he progresses from freshman season, having "lost" last year, I'd see him as launching at a decent rate.
CG-- The consensus seems to be that he is a talented player and will get some playing time. I see him shooting more often than, say, AT.
AB--- I can't wait to see him play. I believe he'll show no reluctance to launch--figure him for 12.0+/40 minutes
I'll keep thinking about the rest of the team. I'd guess that CN will be a shooter, but I don't yet have a forecast on how much he'll play. Hope this is of interest to some
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 14:04:15 GMT -5
KY, thanks for the most interesting analysis of HC's shooting (past and projected future). No one says much about Clayton any more, but I feel he does have good upside potential and I hope we see that this year.
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Post by lou on Oct 31, 2017 14:07:32 GMT -5
In the open practice,it appeared the least reluctant to shoot award went to Grandy
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 14:13:59 GMT -5
To me, one of the key issues this year (I may have bored you all with this before) is "Who will take the shots?" this season. When you take a look at the data, you see that we have graduated the players who (1) were called upon to take the shots or (2) really liked to shoot. I look at about 10 FGA/40 minutes as "average" for a CBC HC player (actual number was 9.7 last year and 10.6 the year before) and we are a team that plays at a slow pace. Here's who was taking the shots last season FGA/40 Minutes----Player 14.2----Robert Champion. RC was a "go-to" guy and clearly liked to shoot 12.2---Malachi Alexander---excellent shooter and we have to be glad that he did want the ball 11.3 ---Matt Husek--MH had, in my opinion, beautiful shooting form -------------------------------------------- 8.9----Clayton LeSann CLS had limited minutes of play but when he was in he did take some shots 7.8---Karl Charles--- this is the key number, in my opinion. KC will have to shoot a lot more often, at least 12+ FGA/40 minutes, for HC to do well. We're going to have to go to him more often and he's going to need to change his game. He's a good shooter. 7.8/40 falls into the "reluctant" zone for me and KC should not be reluctant to shoot. 7.8---Pat Benzan---I love this guy. Many of these FGA were after his drives to the basket or when he slipped past a defender and then got the ball in close. He'll need to take more shots this year and I like what I heard earlier about PB working on his 3 point shot. 7.5---Matt Zignorski---MZ came to HC with a reputation as a shooter, but this number is clearly "reluctant". As a freshman he played a lot more minutes and his FGA/40 was at 10.4 6.7---Anthony Thompson 5.9---Jehyve Floyd---this is an extremely low number (compare to Kevin Hyland's 6.8/40 for his career). I know we don't expect JF to be a prolific jump shooter So, who will take shots we need to take to (1) score, (2) get fouled, (3) not lose the ball to the shot clock? We'll need to take 50 shots per game.... I'll look for KC to shoot a lot more often (at least 12.0+/40) and to score 15+ PPG (others have mentioned this of course). KC also has shown an ability to draw fouls and to convert when he gets to the line. PB---10.0+ per 40?? He can (needs to?) score 10+ points per game. JF---7.0 may be reasonable MP--If he gets a lot of playing time I think he could be a scorer. In his very few minutes played as a freshman he was not reluctant to shoot--small sample though MZ-- If he progresses from freshman season, having "lost" last year, I'd see him as launching at a decent rate. CG-- The consensus seems to be that he is a talented player and will get some playing time. I see him shooting more often than, say, AT. AB--- I can't wait to see him play. I believe he'll show no reluctance to launch--figure him for 12.0+/40 minutes I'll keep thinking about the rest of the team. I'd guess that CN will be a shooter, but I don't yet have a forecast on how much he'll play. Hope this is of interest to some Thanks for the work, Ky as you note, it is hard to project shots when we have little knowledge of the minutes of most. Grandy will get minutes and shots, possibly more of both than CN, MF or JS.
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 15:00:42 GMT -5
I cannot wait for the season to start. I can't recall a season in more than a decade when we had so many questions and so much potential upside from a group of freshman. We have a high quality coach and some real potential to have a very good shooting team. With any young team we are going to have challenges and setbacks, but I do feel this team is going to surprise a lot of people this year. Alan Greenspan might accuse me of irrational exuberance, but I do predict this team will be fun to watch this year. All of this talk about who will start, who will sub in for Floyd, who will take the shots, who will man the bottom of the 1-3-1 (when/if we run it), what do the freshman like playing against college kids (even if D-II) is making me impatient for tomorrow
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2017 15:17:28 GMT -5
I cannot wait for the season to start. I can't recall a season in more than a decade when we had so many questions and so much potential upside from a group of freshman. We have a high quality coach and some real potential to have a very good shooting team. With any young team we are going to have challenges and setbacks, but I do feel this team is going to surprise a lot of people this year. Alan Greenspan might accuse me of irrational exuberance, but I do predict this team will be fun to watch this year. All of this talk about who will start, who will sub in for Floyd, who will take the shots, who will man the bottom of the 1-3-1 (when/if we run it), what do the freshman like playing against college kids (even if D-II) is making me impatient for tomorrowOh how I envy those of you who can attend HC games..... I'll have to follow on Live Stats and look forward to the customary eye witness reports from our board members.
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Post by ncaam on Oct 31, 2017 15:18:39 GMT -5
Grandison will play substantial minutes. Like most frosh needs to get stronger to defend and rebound but he is a good prospect.
AB has made the greatest strides since walking on campus. Has adjusted to the deeper three and better defense. May start or first or second guy off the bench.
Niego, like Stevens, is a project.
Green is smallish but tough and has a good handle. May start or first guy off bench. Not as quick or tough as AT yet but will be a star at HC. Will caddie for PB for a year and compete for job next year.
Copeland is a good player, hard worker. May need a year or two to catch his stride.
faw Was best frosh early on but has faded of late. Skinny offensive player who may struggle early to defend. Promising sophomore with a weight program.
MP likely won't leave the bench much. CBC hinted as much at the press conference. Sitting out two years and recovering from major surgeries holding a talented kid back.
MZ, because he's a junior, will play but such a bad soph year makes me wonder how he will contribute this year.
PB our best player, best student, best all-around kid. We need more like him
KC a very good offensive player with defensive flaws. Needs to buckle down on the defensive and rebounding end. Our most athletic player.
JF will do well this year. Stronger and determined. Spent all summer on or near campus.Should use most of his effort on defense and on boards. Points a bonus.
JS injured but on a MH trajectory anyway. Not expecting much from him this go-round.
CLS won the Army game as CBC said. But won't get much playing time with so much competition at his size. Anyone who compares him favorably to Mitchell Hahn talent-wise does not know basketball.
Best player vs Bentley was a frosh. These six frosh are better as a group than the previous five CBC recruits.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2017 15:25:32 GMT -5
Bentley? Did we play Bentley or do you mean Stonehill?
Any thoughts on Matt Faw? Was he the "best frosh early but has faded" or was that a further comment about Copeland?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 15:28:46 GMT -5
Thanks, I guess, considering we do not know your source, at least about the freshmen. Three points. 1 - if we played Bentley, it is a surprise. 2- you left out Faw, unless he was supposed to be named in the section which began “was best frosh early...” 3-in a previous post you wrote that AB and CG would start tomorrow. Here you say “ may start “ is this an update ?
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 31, 2017 15:38:24 GMT -5
I will be shooting the game on Wednesday if you guys want to check out my terrible pics!
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Post by possum on Oct 31, 2017 15:44:52 GMT -5
Are we really comparing CLS to Hahn. CLS averaged 1 point per game in 5 minutes of play, Hahn averaged 5 points in 13 minutes and was a regular rotational player. Until he got hurt he was on the floor each and every game and was not relegated to the bench due to defensive deficiencies as some have stated to apparently try to defend CLS. The only thing they had in common was each had a breakout game but Hahn didn't disappear after that game. I remember Hoops taking a victory lap after CLS had his moment but didn't hear much about him after. Hahn was is and always will be a far superior player than CLS. You can deflect and make all the excuses you want but the fact remains that outside of Charles the players Carmody has recruited have not produced. Hopefully this years class will reverse the trend. I don't know why it's so hard to admit that
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 31, 2017 15:49:50 GMT -5
Okay, I'll take you at your word that you really want the new players to do well, rather than rooting for them to do poorly to support the anti-Carmody narrative.
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 31, 2017 16:21:17 GMT -5
looking forward to tomorrow night. I don’t expect anything! I just look forward to seeing some hoops, and getting to see the freshman.. March is a long way off! And that is the prize!
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Post by sader81 on Oct 31, 2017 17:17:05 GMT -5
I’ll be there tomorrow. Don’t usually travel 190 miles for an exhibition game, but I’m intrigued by the new faces and am looking forward to the team growing this season. Like most young teams, we’ll have some disappointments this season, but will be much better come February.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 31, 2017 17:23:28 GMT -5
I wish I could join you. ENJOY!
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Post by HC92 on Oct 31, 2017 21:13:19 GMT -5
Interesting that the Grandi-man is now projected to get a lot of run after being lightly recruited and a late add to an already huge class. Assuming this plays out the way some expect, it will be another bit of evidence re: the inexact science of recruiting at our level.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 31, 2017 21:17:24 GMT -5
Grandy was hurt and thus missed the AAU season as he was transferring to Exeter from the west coast. Thus was under recruited.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 1, 2017 9:26:27 GMT -5
By the way, Colgate plays a home exh game tonight vs. Canisius for the hurricane relief fund. I know we have a young team but I wonder what efforts (if any) were made by us to get an extra exh game, once the NCAA sanctioned them. I hope there is a good reason we didn't get it done, either home or away.
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