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Post by joutsHC77 on May 11, 2018 15:38:51 GMT -5
Get the story out, suspense is killing us.
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 11, 2018 15:45:30 GMT -5
Here's the link to the NCAA's Media Center, which appears to summarize findings of investigations, large and small - some interesting stories, worth scrolling through (and monitoring in coming days/weeks/months). Emily James is identified as the NCAA media contact for news about infractions and issues official releases, so presumably would respond to inquiries from the Telegram or the Globe when the time is right. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-centerHere's how a big scandal at Ole Miss has been playing out for the last six years. To follow the chronology, scroll from the bottom up. Lots of relevant documentation has been released - the COI report would seem to be key. Not suggesting the situation there is in any way analogous to what's happening at HC - just noting the sheer volume of info that has become publicly available. athleticsworking.wp2.olemiss.edu/
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Post by timholycross on May 11, 2018 15:46:27 GMT -5
The only thing I can compare it to was when a football player and basketball player were suspended in the mid to late 90s for some sports gambling (not for or against HC, but sports betting nevertheless)...seemed like they were suspended then back in action very quickly. This has gone on forever with no information divulged from anyone. Has that much changed in 20 years?
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Post by hc6774 on May 11, 2018 16:05:15 GMT -5
Here's the link to the NCAA's Media Center, which appears to summarize findings of investigations, large and small - some interesting stories, worth scrolling through (and monitoring in coming days/weeks/months). Emily James is identified as the NCAA media contact for news about infractions and issues official releases, so presumably would respond to inquiries from the Telegram or the Globe when the time is right. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-centerHere's how a big scandal at Ole Miss has been playing out for the last six years. To follow the chronology, scroll from the bottom up. Lots of relevant documentation has been released - the COI report would seem to be key. Not suggesting the situation there is in any way analogous to what's happening at HC - just noting the sheer volume of info that has become publicly available. athleticsworking.wp2.olemiss.edu/This might be of interest for the lawyers here... a recent NCAA decision published in April involving a Jesuit school www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Apr2018INF_SanFranciscoPUBLICDecision_20180406.pdf
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 11, 2018 16:32:27 GMT -5
The USF case sets out a timeline of 13 months from the time that an investigation began until the submission of a disposition report to the NCAA. The NCAA then took two and a half months to review the disposition report and modify the proposed penalties. _______________________ I suspect HC has modified its process for investigating complaints with respect to alleged transgressions of rules and/or mis-conduct in the athletic program. The institutional process that was in place during the tenure of the previous athletic director was, IMO, sub-standard.. ______________________ No duty is owed by HC to the public, to alumni, to the press, or to the simply curious to keep such parties informed and apprised of the status of the investigation.
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 11, 2018 17:02:30 GMT -5
No duty is owed by HC to the public, to alumni, to the press, or to the simply curious to keep such parties informed and apprised of the status of the investigation. And the college will likely say nothing after the investigation is concluded. We may get something from the NCAA in time.
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Post by timholycross on May 11, 2018 18:13:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the same timeline is considered reasonable when it involves student athletes (in the example, it was coaches involved) then Holy Cross and everyone else should leave the NCAA. In the case of our basketball players that's two whole seasons.
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Post by ncaam on May 11, 2018 18:23:42 GMT -5
The USF case sets out a timeline of 13 months from the time that an investigation began until the submission of a disposition report to the NCAA. The NCAA then took two and a half months to review the disposition report and modify the proposed penalties. _______________________ I suspect HC has modified its process for investigating complaints with respect to alleged transgressions of rules and/or mis-conduct in the athletic program. The institutional process that was in place during the tenure of the previous athletic director was, IMO, sub-standard.. ______________________ No duty is owed by HC to the public, to alumni, to the press, or to the simply curious to keep such parties informed and apprised of the status of the investigation. Holy cross will bury this investigation as deep As possible
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Post by sonsofspitler on May 11, 2018 18:51:35 GMT -5
Marcellis Perkins is still under scholarship.
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Post by possum on May 11, 2018 19:05:29 GMT -5
If that's the case looks like two scholarships came from Charles and Stevens.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 11, 2018 19:33:36 GMT -5
Where would the Telegram get the information to write the story if TPTB at Holy Cross chose not to divulge any information about the suspensions? Would the players themselves be likely to sing? Would the NCAA come across with details? Parts of the story are all over the place. It would not take much to put them together, but IMO Tom hit the nail on the head about the local reporters likely not wanting to create waves. I get it from the perspective of the reporters, because if there is a feeling that they will be shut off from HC if they report on anything, they will be extremely limited on what they can cover. NP is lucky that he’s in a “one newspaper town” and interest in HC has almost completely faded
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 11, 2018 20:10:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the same timeline is considered reasonable when it involves student athletes (in the example, it was coaches involved) then Holy Cross and everyone else should leave the NCAA. In the case of our basketball players that's two whole seasons. The 13 months was the time that USF took, so I don't know why the NCAA is to blame for USF taking as long as it did.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 11, 2018 20:13:03 GMT -5
Marcellis Perkins is still under scholarship. Wasn't RC on scholarship for four years, but was not a counter?
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Post by rgs318 on May 11, 2018 20:23:05 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by bison137 on May 11, 2018 23:09:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the same timeline is considered reasonable when it involves student athletes (in the example, it was coaches involved) then Holy Cross and everyone else should leave the NCAA. In the case of our basketball players that's two whole seasons. Normally the investigation is done by the college. The NCAA only reviews its findings at the end and makes a judgement on the proposed penalty.
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Post by hc6774 on May 12, 2018 7:35:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the same timeline is considered reasonable when it involves student athletes (in the example, it was coaches involved) then Holy Cross and everyone else should leave the NCAA. In the case of our basketball players that's two whole seasons. Normally the investigation is done by the college. The NCAA only reviews its findings at the end and makes a judgement on the proposed penalty. agree... the institution may take actions that mitigate the penalties before the final judgement... In the case above the NCAA final judgement required that USF.... Publicize specific and understandable information concerning the nature of the infractions by providing, at a minimum, a statement to include the types of violations and the affected sport programs and a direct, conspicuous link to the public infractions report located on the athletic department's main or "landing" webpage.
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Post by Tom on May 12, 2018 8:08:50 GMT -5
Normally the investigation is done by the college. The NCAA only reviews its findings at the end and makes a judgement on the proposed penalty. agree... the institution may take actions that mitigate the penalties before the final judgement... Sounds like that might be what's happening here
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 12, 2018 8:39:35 GMT -5
Normally the investigation is done by the college. The NCAA only reviews its findings at the end and makes a judgement on the proposed penalty. agree... the institution may take actions that mitigate the penalties before the final judgement... In the case above the NCAA final judgement required that USF.... Publicize specific and understandable information concerning the nature of the infractions by providing, at a minimum, a statement to include the types of violations and the affected sport programs and a direct, conspicuous link to the public infractions report located on the athletic department's main or "landing" webpage. I think in our case the NCAA will be content to know that bbc will ensure that the news of Coach Carmody's culpability will be widely disseminated
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 12, 2018 9:27:11 GMT -5
I will be pretty surprised if the COI (or whatever) report concludes that everybody at Holy Cross was blameless other than three rogue student-athletes.
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Post by Tom on May 12, 2018 9:54:08 GMT -5
I will be pretty surprised if the COI report concludes that everybody at Holy Cross is blameless other than three rogue student-athletes. Hard to predict what the NCAA will do. From a distance it appears the school acted swiftly and decisively. As soon as administration discovered wrongful conduct, the players were suspended and based on two new LOI's apparently had their scholarships pulled. Short of expelling them, the school did the harshest thing possible. This gives the appearance that the school is taking things seriously and should go a long way towards appeasing the NCAA I don't think the school will see much in way of penalty from this. This does assume that no one in administration/athletics knew anything prior to the suspensions. If HC only acted because their hand was forced by the Herald, that would be a vary different spin.
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Post by ncaam on May 12, 2018 10:09:19 GMT -5
Sure fr b and FV are covered. What did the coaches know and when did they know it?
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Post by lou on May 12, 2018 10:21:28 GMT -5
Sure fr b and FV are covered. What did the coaches know and when did they know it? Here's my guess ... nothing, until they were informed of whatever this is about shortly before the Monday night game
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Post by hc6774 on May 12, 2018 10:31:07 GMT -5
Sure fr b and FV are covered. What did the coaches know and when did they know it? Here's my guess ... nothing, until they were informed of whatever this is about shortly before the Monday night game my guess as well... info on this aspect of the violations were mostly likely provided by statements from the students, who, probably, we're assisted by counsel knowledgeable in such matters
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Post by sader1970 on May 12, 2018 10:46:40 GMT -5
Wasn't FV already "retired" from his position as Sr. VP when the stuff hit the fan? He's working with alumni relations. Maybe you mean Margaret F?
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 12, 2018 18:33:42 GMT -5
Sure fr b and FV are covered. What did the coaches know and when did they know it? Thanks for asking the important questions HC70. So glad to have you on that wall.
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