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Post by efg72 on May 12, 2018 20:14:50 GMT -5
The Bullis basketball office, not Bruce Kelley, said LY was a full ride to HC. Bruce still owes me a return call. I believe LY is the grandson of former Sec of Agriculture and Counselor to ‘41
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Post by possum on May 13, 2018 6:54:37 GMT -5
A few thoughts, if this is true there must be another scholarship available from somewhere and if that's the case I don't understand what we're doing. I wasn't a big fan of giving one scholarship to a player who had no offers from any other school in the country and would be even less enthused with doing it twice. Many seem to be concerned with a depth issue but with Hargis added it would give us 10 players who in my opinion can contribute and 11 if you think CLS can help. That is more than enough as an 8 or 9 man rotation is probably what will develop as the season moves forward. The worst thing we can do is use a scholarship just because it becomes available, I would rather carry it over to next year and hope to get a better prospect from a much deeper pool of players than what is left at this late date from this years class.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 13, 2018 8:33:02 GMT -5
I think it's ok to take a "reach" kid every 3 or 4 years. I would put Verbeek in this category. Based on the very limited info I see out there, it seems to me his college career could come down to whether or not he can develop the body mass to enable him to take advantage of his basketball skills ( 40+% on threes, and 84% FT). If he can develop his body, the ceiling could be very high. While scholarship offers certainly adds to the comfort level for fans, I think there are enough examples out there to show recruiting is far from an exact science.
I am going to assume we are looking to replace at least 3 slots this summer with the class of 2019. I want 3 strong "on paper" recruits: a ball handling type, a kid with some size (6-7 up), and the very best player we can land, regardless of position.
I'm not going to worry about what is going on with the roster right now; too many possibilities. With regards to LY, I'm wondering if he has a scholarship beginning sophomore year? Maybe that is what the Bullis office was referring to? Maybe that is why there has not been a signing ceremony for him? At any rate, it seems like we are protected against playing with a reduced roster next year, and to me that's a good thing.
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Post by HC92 on May 13, 2018 8:43:49 GMT -5
It would make no sense that Yeutter or Lovisolo is on an athletic scholarship but not included in the press release.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 13, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
As we all attempt to figure out the status of our new players, and of the rest of the team, the thought that Y or L might be walk-ons for a year and then go on scholarship is intriguing. Have we heard of that at other colleges? I'm not talking about true walk-ons who later get rewarded with a scholarship because they have contributed a lot--that happens all the time. I mean a situation where the four year plan is laid out ahead of time. If we did this, would the first year have to be full pay, i.e. not even a penny of need-based aid?
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Post by rgs318 on May 13, 2018 9:10:12 GMT -5
I have seen this done (scholarship starting in sophomore year)...though not frequently. IMHO, the reward of a scholarship after freshman or sophomore year for a true walk-on is more common.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 13, 2018 9:30:55 GMT -5
So hard to sort out.....and as I said, recruiting certainly not an exact science. One recent example: remember Pete Miller, the big from Northfield Mt Hermon (recruited hard by HC, if I recall) who ended up at Princeton? In the end, the former staff signed Matt Husek, who did not have nearly the number of reported offers that Miller had. Did Miller have a more significant career than MH? I don't think so.
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Post by ncaam on May 13, 2018 9:35:58 GMT -5
I’m wondering if the scholarships of the two miscreants have not finalized yet. It’s possible they are not available at the moment but will be available in the near future. Just a thought
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 11:04:04 GMT -5
As we all attempt to figure out the status of our new players, and of the rest of the team, the thought that Y or L might be walk-ons for a year and then go on scholarship is intriguing. Have we heard of that at other colleges? I'm not talking about true walk-ons who later get rewarded with a scholarship because they have contributed a lot--that happens all the time. I mean a situation where the four year plan is laid out ahead of time. If we did this, would the first year have to be full pay, i.e. not even a penny of need-based aid? I have never heard of any type of D1 delayed scholarship in hoops. to answer your second question, the athlete, because he was recruited, would have to be full pay, doubtful if need based aid was allowed
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 11:45:05 GMT -5
In case this has not been posted Marlon Hargis
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Post by bison137 on May 13, 2018 12:00:44 GMT -5
As we all attempt to figure out the status of our new players, and of the rest of the team, the thought that Y or L might be walk-ons for a year and then go on scholarship is intriguing. Have we heard of that at other colleges? I'm not talking about true walk-ons who later get rewarded with a scholarship because they have contributed a lot--that happens all the time. I mean a situation where the four year plan is laid out ahead of time. If we did this, would the first year have to be full pay, i.e. not even a penny of need-based aid? I have never heard of any type of D1 delayed scholarship in hoops. to answer your second question, the athlete, because he was recruited, would have to be full pay, doubtful if need based aid was allowed True, IF the athlete was "recruited". But remember that to be recruited under the NCAA definition, he must either have had an official visit, a scholarship offer, or else he or his parents must have had an arranged off-campus meeting with the coaches. If intermediaries, such as coaches, are used, it is not hard to keep an athlete being recruited for the first time in the spring from falling into the "recruited" category. In fact, it has gotten even easier. In past years, another item that put an athlete into the "recruited" category was he or his parents receiving more than one call from the coaching staff. Now the staff can make unlimited calls without changing his status.
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Post by efg72 on May 13, 2018 12:00:59 GMT -5
Any possibility the other 2 players are receiving partial scholarships.?
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 13, 2018 12:03:32 GMT -5
I am going to assume we are looking to replace at least 3 slots this summer with the class of 2019. I'm not making any assumptions at this point. What we can or can't do in 2019 is an open question which may not get answered until the NCAA investigation has run its course. Our overtures to recruits have,up until now, been a little peculiar: 1. We "extended an opportunity to play" to three premier recruits in April (Wade, Friday, and Lowder). None of these three used the word "offer" to describe whatever it was they got from Holy Cross, though a couple of third party sites used the word "offer" in tweets. 2. There are supposedly three other 2019s who got "offers" from HC (Porcic, Weber, and Wojcik). Again, none of them have directly acknowledged these as "offers," though Porcic and Weber re-tweeted third-party sites that used the word "offer." 3. These six kids have a cumulative total of over 20 offers identified as such on VC, including ones received immediately before and after our overtures to them, but there is no HC offer on any of their individual VC pages. There are no 2019 offers shown on Holy Cross' VC page - the other seven teams in the PL have a combined total of 104. I'm not saying VC "knows" something, but I do find this strange, What these things suggest to me is that the NCAA inquiry is hamstringing our 2019 recruiting because either (a) we don't know how many 2019 slots will be available until the findings of the inquiry are in, or (b) we are constrained from making formal 2019 offers until that time. The Fab Five + One all committed to Holy Cross by the end of the first week in August 2016, iirc. That point on the 2018 calendar is less than 90 days away. Tick-tock . . .
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Post by bison137 on May 13, 2018 12:13:07 GMT -5
So hard to sort out.....and as I said, recruiting certainly not an exact science. One recent example: remember Pete Miller, the big from Northfield Mt Hermon (recruited hard by HC, if I recall) who ended up at Princeton? In the end, the former staff signed Matt Husek, who did not have nearly the number of reported offers that Miller had. Did Miller have a more significant career than MH? I don't think so. I think Miller was a better player than Husek although he didn't play many more minutes because he was on some very good Princeton teams. Princeton was a top 70 team both his junior and senior year and had a lot of talented players. During those two years, he had Pomeroy Oratings of about 105 and then 120. He also had the best rebounding pct of any player in the Ivy League his junior year and was top ten in blocked shots each of his final three years.
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Post by bison137 on May 13, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -5
Any possibility the other 2 players are receiving partial scholarships.? No. Unless they are receiving only non-athletic aid and were not recruited based on the NCAA definition. Scholarships in basketball cannot be split.
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 12:15:17 GMT -5
Any possibility the other 2 players are receiving partial scholarships.? I have never herd of this in D1 hoops
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 13, 2018 12:23:41 GMT -5
I think Miller was a better player than Husek although he didn't play many more minutes because he was on some very good Princeton teams. Princeton was a top 70 team both his junior and senior year and had a lot of talented players. During those two years, he had Pomeroy Oratings of about 105 and then 120. He also had the best rebounding pct of any player in the Ivy League his junior year and was top ten in blocked shots each of his final three years. Miller was also, statistically, a better defensive player. His career Drtg (per sports-ref) was 96.5 - Husek's, 103.9
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 13, 2018 12:24:31 GMT -5
As we all attempt to figure out the status of our new players, and of the rest of the team, the thought that Y or L might be walk-ons for a year and then go on scholarship is intriguing. Have we heard of that at other colleges? I'm not talking about true walk-ons who later get rewarded with a scholarship because they have contributed a lot--that happens all the time. I mean a situation where the four year plan is laid out ahead of time. If we did this, would the first year have to be full pay, i.e. not even a penny of need-based aid? I have never heard of any type of D1 delayed scholarship in hoops.
to answer your second question, the athlete, because he was recruited, would have to be full pay, doubtful if need based aid was allowed Kids are regularly stashed by P6 programs at prep schools all over the country on wink-wink agreements for "development" until scholarships are freed up.
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 12:33:00 GMT -5
I have never heard of any type of D1 delayed scholarship in hoops.
to answer your second question, the athlete, because he was recruited, would have to be full pay, doubtful if need based aid was allowed Kids are regularly stashed by P6 programs at prep schools all over the country on wink-wink agreements for "development" until scholarships are freed up. True, but that was not whay Ky was asking. I have never heard of a deal where a player pays for a year or more at a D1 college and eventually gets a scholarship.
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Post by bison137 on May 13, 2018 12:39:05 GMT -5
Kids are regularly stashed by P6 programs at prep schools all over the country on wink-wink agreements for "development" until scholarships are freed up. True, but that was not whay Ky was asking. I have never heard of a deal where a player pays for a year or more at a D1 college and eventually gets a scholarship. According to some on the American board, it has been done there a couple of times. Pay for one year, then get three free. Not sure if the players involved stayed for four.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 13, 2018 12:39:54 GMT -5
Happens in FB regularly where walk-ons are rewarded with scholarships at some point. Can't give an example but I'm sure same has happened in MBB.
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 12:41:41 GMT -5
Count me as skeptical Unless these players had no other D1 offers and their family had big bucks, this is highly unlikely
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Post by hchoops on May 13, 2018 12:43:48 GMT -5
Happens in FB regularly where walk-ons are rewarded with scholarships at some point. Can't give an example but I'm sure same has happened in MBB. As Ky said, this is not what he was asking. he was asking about a pre arrangement where a player is recruited to walk on then guaranteed a scholarship
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 13, 2018 12:54:45 GMT -5
Happens in FB regularly where walk-ons are rewarded with scholarships at some point. Can't give an example but I'm sure same has happened in MBB. No doubt on that—the question is about making the arrangement with a high school player before he gets to college. Rewarding walkons has been done for decades—-my classmate Doug Downey is an example
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 13, 2018 12:58:04 GMT -5
Did Charlie Jones eventually earn a scholarship at AU?
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