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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 7, 2018 22:26:24 GMT -5
Does Chesney know D1 football? We don't know yet. The entire athletic department is a mess right now....most of it stems from the fact that we continue to have an identity crisis of who or what we are. It's not the PL's fault entirely, but it hasn't helped mattahs. An assessment by TPTB on where we are headed as an institution athletically is sorely needed imo. You’ve outdone yourself with this one. By the way, I thought you’d be more optimistic about football with all those Massachusetts players joining the team. You’ve been strangely quiet there....
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Post by hc87 on Feb 7, 2018 22:28:49 GMT -5
Even when we are halfway decent, it's "pretend D1 basketball"....not sure where we headed but my (probably irrational) hope is that we bottom out entirely and the school changes its athletic philosophy i.e. we drop out of the PL and start exploring other options.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 7, 2018 22:37:24 GMT -5
Ash Wednesday is a week from today when I can take my usual annual hiatus from Crossports [but will log in to put in my basketball picks]. This "vacation" from Crossports and everything related to Holy Cross, excepting football recruiting where I remain optimistic, is timely. The crushing loss tonight in men's basketball to a mediocre Navy team; the women's loss to Navy; the suspensions of athletes for unknown reasons and vagueness as to who and how many are involved on what teams; the "victory" of retaining the Crusader being offset by the intention to basically gut the traditional meaning of what a Crusader actually is - all makes for a desire to just "wanna get away." Lent can't come soon enough!
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Post by Ray on Feb 7, 2018 22:53:04 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 8, 2018 6:34:46 GMT -5
And to think: in November, we were a buzzer beater away from being tied at the half with URI.....also without KC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2018 10:27:37 GMT -5
In post-game, Carmody said Navy "didn't do anything unexpected. They made shots and we didn't." If Milan Brown went to Union instead of Howard, would he have gotten a pass for blathering this nonsense? QFT. Milan would be vilified for 1) Cohen getting bounced out of school, 2) The current situation with members of the team, 3) Using the phrase "shots falling / not falling" -- that's what Carmody said about this loss, if you can believe it. Total disaster. It starts at the very top (Pine). The team had zero interest of playing last night. Embarrassing. Now I'll wait to hear about the reports of "progress"...SHEESH!
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Post by timholycross on Feb 8, 2018 11:14:46 GMT -5
In post-game, Carmody said Navy "didn't do anything unexpected. They made shots and we didn't." If Milan Brown went to Union instead of Howard, would he have gotten a pass for blathering this nonsense? QFT. Milan would be vilified for 1) Cohen getting bounced out of school, 2) The current situation with members of the team, 3) Using the phrase "shots falling / not falling" -- that's what Carmody said about this loss, if you can believe it. Total disaster. It starts at the very top (Pine). The team had zero interest of playing last night. Embarrassing. Now I'll wait to hear about the reports of "progress"...SHEESH! Right you are. When it was 59-25, people not named Floyd (4-6) or Grandison (3-8) were, I believe 2-23. Now let's say they made 9 more of those, and let's say 4 of them were 3 balls. That's 22 points. Still down by 12. So, yes, "shots falling" changes the equation from "humiliating" to "losing" and not losing by a close margin. Lots of other bad things were happening.
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Post by lou on Feb 8, 2018 11:36:05 GMT -5
First of all many coaches would have passed on the post game interview after a disaster like that, see GG Smith last week. I don't remember whether Brown had an interview every game or not, nor do I care. Carmody was there, and what was he supposed to say? I listened, he gave what insight he could, ultimately our shooting was horrendous.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2018 11:37:59 GMT -5
We just had a couple of good games with 5 guys playing most of the minutes. Lose one of those key guys, I think it's going to make a significant difference You can't be serious.
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Post by lou on Feb 8, 2018 11:40:02 GMT -5
We just had a couple of good games with 5 guys playing most of the minutes. Lose one of those key guys, I think it's going to make a significant difference You can't be serious. Which part?
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Post by gks on Feb 8, 2018 11:43:50 GMT -5
HC men's basketball is a mess right now.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 8, 2018 11:46:09 GMT -5
I really believe the team was in a state of shock..Their teammates and friends were in trouble, believe it or not, that has a huge affect on the group of young men..If you have ever worked in a school setting, you would have seen this many times...I have...These kids are resilient, and will bounce back....We as posters don't know how KC, JS, and WP interact with their friends and teammates...In many respects, having a teammate suspended as were the 3, is almost like a losing a friend to a car crash..It happens all of a sudden and there is nothing one can do to help....There is a feeling of helplessness..
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2018 12:56:39 GMT -5
How times have changed.
Maybe not the best time for this TBT, guys.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 12:57:04 GMT -5
In post-game, Carmody said Navy "didn't do anything unexpected. They made shots and we didn't." If Milan Brown went to Union instead of Howard, would he have gotten a pass for blathering this nonsense? QFT. Milan would be vilified for 1) Cohen getting bounced out of school, 2) The current situation with members of the team, 3) Using the phrase "shots falling / not falling" -- that's what Carmody said about this loss, if you can believe it. Total disaster. It starts at the very top (Pine). The team had zero interest of playing last night. Embarrassing. Now I'll wait to hear about the reports of "progress"...SHEESH! No doubt that last night was a terrible game with a few plays that stood out by actually working. 1. Probably right about FCMB. Some hated him just as some seem to hate HCBC s anything that could be used for criticism was. I can believe it because the players who could hit 3s at an acceptable rate had one shot after another rim out. Stiff happens. Those were open shots so the issue is one on the players. They all seem to have been off and the loss of a key teammate and the related uncertainly could have been a contributing factor. 2. Not a total disaster (unless you ignore the good performances we have seem in some recent games - or unless you want it to be). If you watched team, it was clear that the team did show interest, and as upset at several points the way they were playing. Easy to use "team didn't care" as a throwaway line. 3. I doubt that anyone would say there was a sign of progress last night, so you will have a long wait. Of course, that was just a not so subtle way to ridicule those who speak about it when they have seen it. Creating a "Straw man" to use against those who do to agree with you...sophomoric? SHEESH!
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Post by Tom on Feb 8, 2018 13:00:34 GMT -5
I really believe the team was in a state of shock..Their teammates and friends were in trouble, believe it or not, that has a huge affect on the group of young men..If you have ever worked in a school setting, you would have seen this many times...I have...These kids are resilient, and will bounce back....We as posters don't know how KC, JS, and WP interact with their friends and teammates...In many respects, having a teammate suspended as were the 3, is almost like a losing a friend to a car crash..It happens all of a sudden and there is nothing one can do to help....There is a feeling of helplessness.. I was going to just "like" the post, but thought I would add that most of the guys who played noticeably below their norm are teenagers
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 8, 2018 17:50:17 GMT -5
I really believe the team was in a state of shock..Their teammates and friends were in trouble, believe it or not, that has a huge affect on the group of young men..If you have ever worked in a school setting, you would have seen this many times...I have...These kids are resilient, and will bounce back....We as posters don't know how KC, JS, and WP interact with their friends and teammates...In many respects, having a teammate suspended as were the 3, is almost like a losing a friend to a car crash..It happens all of a sudden and there is nothing one can do to help....There is a feeling of helplessness.. What? A teammate letting you and the team down by selfishly breaking NCAA rules is like a friend dying in a car crash? What a preposterous comparison.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 18:12:00 GMT -5
Not at all. A "loss" is experienced as a "loss," the cause of the loss is secondary. The comparison is not preposterous to anyone who knows the dynamics of grief after a loss. Grief follows the forcible loss of someone or something precious. That can cover a wide variety of experiences. On effect can be impaired short term memory and slower (in relative terms) hand/eye coordination.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 8, 2018 18:16:45 GMT -5
Not at all. A "loss" is experienced as a "loss," the cause of the loss is secondary. The comparison is not preposterous to anyone who knows the dynamics of grief after a loss. Grief follows the forcible loss of someone or something precious. That can cover a wide variety of experiences. On effect can be impaired short term memory and slower (in relative terms) hand/eye coordination. Teammates being suspended for selfishness and knowingly breaking NCAA rules does not lead to “grief.” This is basketball, not life or death. A friend tragically dying in a car accident is not even in the same stratosphere as a basketball suspension. Being left short handed because someone who should have been a leader of the team got himself suspended should lead to being pissed off, not grief or suffering.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 18:27:47 GMT -5
Those who think grief only occurs in 'life/death" situations show a lack of knowledge of the dynamics of grief. How the recipient views/experiences a situation is often more important to the intensity of grief than the event itself. One rule is that sudden loss is typically more intense than anticipated loss. Your attempt to underplay the loss of a key teammate and team leader is clear, but not very accurate in every case. For one thing, early missed shots can have a much greater impact in such an emotionally charged atmosphere. I have never heard of anyone in any sport being suspended for "selfishness." Have you? (And, in true Crossports fashion - who was it that made you the "grief police?"
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 8, 2018 18:39:31 GMT -5
Those who think grief only occurs in 'life/death" situations she a lack of knowledge of the dynamics of grief. How the recipient views/experiences a situation is often more important to the intensity of grief than the event itself. One rule is that sudden loss is typically more intense than anticipated loss. Your attempt to underplay the loss of a key teammate and team leader is clear, but not very accurate in every case. For one thing, early missed shots can have a much greater impact in such an emotionally charged atmosphere. I have never heard of anyone in any sport being suspended for "selfishness." Have you? (And, in true Crossports fashion - who was it that made you the "grief police?" Again, putting the “sudden loss” of a teammate being suspended on the same terms as the “sudden loss” of a tragic death is just flat out ridiculous. If college athletes are affected the same way for each, they do not have the mentality to be D1 athletes. Making conscious decisions to break NCAA rules and risk being suspended from your TEAM is the epitome of selfishness. There is far more at play with the mentality of the basketball program than these suspensions..
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 8, 2018 18:41:11 GMT -5
I really believe the team was in a state of shock..Their teammates and friends were in trouble, believe it or not, that has a huge affect on the group of young men..If you have ever worked in a school setting, you would have seen this many times...I have...These kids are resilient, and will bounce back....We as posters don't know how KC, JS, and WP interact with their friends and teammates...In many respects, having a teammate suspended as were the 3, is almost like a losing a friend to a car crash..It happens all of a sudden and there is nothing one can do to help....There is a feeling of helplessness.. What? A teammate letting you and the team down by selfishly breaking NCAA rules is like a friend dying in a car crash? What a preposterous comparison. It is not a comparison...Spend some time with kids the age of the the team (teenagers), and you will see how they behave and react...It will open your eyes to a new generation....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 8, 2018 18:47:04 GMT -5
What? A teammate letting you and the team down by selfishly breaking NCAA rules is like a friend dying in a car crash? What a preposterous comparison. It is not a comparison...Spend some time with kids the age of the the team (teenagers), and you will see how they behave and react...It will open your eyes to a new generation.... Please direct all matters related to psychology to DiMarz going forward. A teammate missing a game due to breaking an NCAA rule is comparable to losing a teammate to a car crash. I've seen it all!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 8, 2018 19:04:52 GMT -5
Looks like some posters are staking the ground with extreme positions. While I would not equate the loss of a teammate's life in any kind of accident with being suspended for investigation of wrongdoing, it would seem to be an extreme position to the other end of the spectrum to think the latter would not also be a big distraction, especially when one of the teammates is a team captain and leader. Such a distraction can certainly cause a drop off in play quality especially in a game where inches and milliseconds matter. Off by an inch on a shot means the difference between tickling the twines (or whatever 4acre used to call it) and rimming out and we saw a lot of that against Navy.
And as to the suspended players are concerned, I haven't seen where any poster has positively identified the nature of the possible infractions. Maybe they did something very stupid (and possibly petty), maybe it was very serious. But regardless of the degree of the possible infraction/violation, it is being investigated and until the investigation is complete, we should be very circumspect about making accusations and pointing fingers at anyone, including the coaching staff. Hold out the possibility that these players are not just "not guilty" but innocent. If they are guilty, we'll find out soon enough and then recriminations can fly.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 19:08:36 GMT -5
Those who think grief only occurs in 'life/death" situations she a lack of knowledge of the dynamics of grief. How the recipient views/experiences a situation is often more important to the intensity of grief than the event itself. One rule is that sudden loss is typically more intense than anticipated loss. Your attempt to underplay the loss of a key teammate and team leader is clear, but not very accurate in every case. For one thing, early missed shots can have a much greater impact in such an emotionally charged atmosphere. I have never heard of anyone in any sport being suspended for "selfishness." Have you? (And, in true Crossports fashion - who was it that made you the "grief police?" Again, putting the “sudden loss” of a teammate being suspended on the same terms as the “sudden loss” of a tragic death is just flat out ridiculous. If college athletes are affected the same way for each, they do not have the mentality to be D1 athletes. Making conscious decisions to break NCAA rules and risk being suspended from your TEAM is the epitome of selfishness. There is far more at play with the mentality of the basketball program than these suspensions.. It is not ridiculous, flat out or otherwise. Your statements only reflect your complete lack of any real knowledge about grief. If you want, I can supply you wish a few dozen articles on the subject.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 8, 2018 19:14:49 GMT -5
It is not a comparison...Spend some time with kids the age of the the team (teenagers), and you will see how they behave and react...It will open your eyes to a new generation.... Please direct all matters related to psychology to DiMarz going forward. A teammate missing a game due to breaking an NCAA rule is comparable to losing a teammate to a car crash. I've seen it all! I make you the same offer. Grief is the basis of most of my 50 year career, my doctorate and my professorship (mental health counseling). I think I can handle this without referring it to anyone else. The severity of a loss is determined by its impact on an individual more than by the event itself. I can state that grief is the reaction of a person to a major loss - any loss can be determined by an individual to be a major loss. I have counseled enough clients (many at "The Center for Grief and Loss" that I co-founded). I was also a teacher and counselor for almost 50 years, and still work with young people at St Benedict's in Newark, so I can match resumes with you any time you wish.
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