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Post by sader1970 on Apr 28, 2018 19:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 28, 2018 20:49:30 GMT -5
Not for long. Hope they keep all this stuff so the next President doesn’t have to buy all new stuff when they bring the Crusader mascot back.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 28, 2018 21:00:05 GMT -5
Not for long. Hope they keep all this stuff so the next President doesn’t have to buy all new stuff when they bring the Crusader mascot back. Amen, brother!!!! |
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Post by HCFC45 on Apr 28, 2018 22:17:11 GMT -5
Not for long. Hope they keep all this stuff so the next President doesn’t have to buy all new stuff when they bring the Crusader mascot back. I'm with you on this one!  ! Must say that I proudly wore my HC basketball golf shirt with the appropriate logo to today's events! ! Sad to report that the logo we all love that appears on the Blaney court and the Hart Center BB court will be sanded off sometime this summer!  ! |
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Post by ts1970 on Apr 28, 2018 22:37:43 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing but bs. Angers me because it is so unnecessary.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 5:28:49 GMT -5
And, 45. when you were chatting with Lutsk, I noticed he was still wearing a jacket with the offensive Crusader on it. Hope TPTB didn't notice or his job might be in jeopardy!  |
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 5:39:14 GMT -5
Uh, I was wondering . . . . who and where does Holy Cross think it is going to get the money to finance all the destruction/construction of the old to the new logos around the various athletic facilities on campus? Perhaps those faculty members who insisted the Crusader be changed? Perhaps Pak can do his usual, but I would think that it would cost 10's, if not 100's, of thousands of dollars to accomplish. And did they give away all those shirts, sweatshirts, caps, etc. that had the Crusader on them? They did have a long sleeve purple shirt with the Crusader on it but sold for $40.00 - too rich for my blood despite it probably going to appreciate in value over time. I noticed in the bookstore that they are now selling stuff with Fenwick/O'Kane buildings on them with "Holy Cross" atop the buildings (or was it "College of the Holy Cross"?). No, didn't buy one.  |
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Post by td128 on Apr 29, 2018 5:45:37 GMT -5
Do not mean to piss in anybody's Wheaties on a Sunday morning but I found this comment shared by a student with me recently to be of interest. As stated by a professor at Holy Cross: "Well, at least we got them to do away with the image of the Crusader. Hopefully we can come back in 4 to 5 years and have them do away with the name as well."
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 29, 2018 5:52:04 GMT -5
Perhaps HC can do away with that professor first.  and to ts1970..Doesn't labeling the opinion of others as "bs" seem to be a bit of a bs argument in itself? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but do you have some special authority to so classify the opinions of others? |
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 5:53:40 GMT -5
Well, if I am sure of anything, it is that Fr. Brooks is rolling over in his grave right now . . . . . not that anyone in the Administrative gives a darn.  |
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Post by matunuck on Apr 29, 2018 6:48:09 GMT -5
Do not mean to piss in anybody's Wheaties on a Sunday morning but I found this comment shared by a student with me recently to be of interest. As stated by a professor at Holy Cross: "Well, at least we got them to do away with the image of the Crusader. Hopefully we can come back in 4 to 5 years and have them do away with the name as well." They won’t quite until the Crusader is gone, and they’ll likely succeed. When you hire faculty who largely share the same ideological views this is what you get. I have no doubt that an overwhelming number of our faculty would like to dump the name then turn to banishing NROTC from campus. Outside of the hard sciences, I increasingly wonder if HC students are getting a balanced education and exposure to various views on public policy. It is certainly not the case in terms of the speakers who come to campus or the content of our public affairs marketing. |
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 29, 2018 6:58:46 GMT -5
td128 Sadly this prof may be correct. But rest assured that those who would do away with the nickname will not invest any energy in proposing an alternative acceptable to the majority of constituents BEFORE the nickname is changed or removed. As I’ve said in earlier posts, I believe that the failure to do so was a flaw in the recent process. For those who would change the nickname, now’s the time to suggest one that’s more appropriate or fitting than “Crusaders”. They’ve got a challenge on their hands.
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Post by alum on Apr 29, 2018 7:48:13 GMT -5
Are you guys ever happy?
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Post by td128 on Apr 29, 2018 8:25:15 GMT -5
Once again, the Jesuit inspired pursuit of the truth accompanied by real transparency remains the great disinfectant.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 29, 2018 8:29:41 GMT -5
Sure, when we are able to voice our opinion on something that matters to us...even if not to all of us. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 29, 2018 9:02:23 GMT -5
sader1970, changing out the armed medieval knight symbology shouldn't cost all that much, several tens of thousands at most.
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I didn't know it during the comment period, but recently discovered a set of ancestral first cousins, a group of brothers named de Hauteville. The de Hautevilles came to power in southern Italy in the first half of the 11th Century, and in the space of about seven years:
> totally vanquished the Pope's army in the battle of Civitate
> captured the pope, St. Leo IX, and imprisoned him for ten months, releasing him two weeks before he dies
> Leo's successor, Victor II, focused on church-state issues in Germany, and let my Norman cousins be. Victor II was pope for two years.
> Stephen IX succeeded Victor, and was planning to move against the de Hautevilles when he was suddenly stricken ill and died at the age of 38. He was pope for about eight months. I think it quite possible he was poisoned by my cousins.
> On Stephen's death, the conclave of cardinals met and chose Benedict X as Pope. A minority faction of the cardinals disagreed with the choice of Benedict, citing bribery and irregularities. Forced to flee Rome, this faction of cardinals then held their own conclave in Siena, and chose Nicholas II as pope. In truth, Nicholas is an anti-pope, but he was sufficiently wise to form an alliance with the de Hautevilles.
> The de Hautevilles run Benedict X to ground, forcing him to renounce the Papacy. Nicholas II, as a singular pope, then puts Benedict on trial, strips him of all titles, and imprisons him in a hospital for the rest of his life.
> Nicholas II 'rewards' the de Hautevilles by recognizing their lands as the duchy of Apulia, which soon became part of the Kingdom of Sicily after the de Hautevilles, at the behest of Nicholas, drive the Saracens from Sicily.
Subsequently, the sons of these de Hautevilles lead one of the crusader armies in the First Crusade. The de Hautevilles are interested in Antioch, and never go to Jerusalem. They establish the kingdom of Antioch, which lasts for 250 years. With the de Hautevilles, my ancestral relatives, Robert II of Flanders (also known as Robert of Jerusalem), Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, and Stephen, Count de Blois, organize and lead over half the crusader army on the First Crusade. At Antioch, the de Hautevilles 'recover' the Holy Lance'.
Do I take affront that the college has now abandoned my ancestors? Not really. Are not conclaves guided by the Holy Spirit, and not by the sharpness of my sword?
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 9:19:05 GMT -5
So, only tens of thousands. Those 43 or whatever faculty members should easily be able to cover that cost. Yeah, right!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 29, 2018 9:28:24 GMT -5
So, only tens of thousands. Those 43 or whatever faculty members should easily be able to cover that cost. Yeah, right! If it had been stitched into the field turf of Ignatius of Loyola field, that would be a different matter. |
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 29, 2018 9:42:20 GMT -5
Regardless. Talk is cheap. My bet is that the infamous faculty who decided that decades of tradition was offensive will, to quote UConn Jim Calhoun, not give back "one thin dime." The crosses and crucifixes on campus will go before the name but the name will eventually go.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 29, 2018 11:47:33 GMT -5
Regardless. Talk is cheap. My bet is that the infamous faculty who decided that decades of tradition was offensive will, to quote UConn Jim Calhoun, not give back "one thin dime." The crosses and crucifixes on campus will go before the name but the name will eventually go. That better never happen |
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Post by joutsHC77 on Apr 29, 2018 17:35:29 GMT -5
Do not mean to piss in anybody's Wheaties on a Sunday morning but I found this comment shared by a student with me recently to be of interest. As stated by a professor at Holy Cross: "Well, at least we got them to do away with the image of the Crusader. Hopefully we can come back in 4 to 5 years and have them do away with the name as well." They're out to destroy everything sacred that HC stood for including its Catholic foundation. |
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 29, 2018 19:09:24 GMT -5
Not for long. Hope they keep all this stuff so the next President doesn’t have to buy all new stuff when they bring the Crusader mascot back. I'm with you on this one! ! Must say that I proudly wore my HC basketball golf shirt with the appropriate logo to today's events! ! Sad to report that the logo we all love that appears on the Blaney court and the Hart Center BB court will be sanded off sometime this summer! ! I noticed during the dedication ceremony yesterday that every one of the NCAA & NIT banners in the rafters has the Crusader logo. Will they be remaking each of those as well? Such a shame, and all a result of some alleged discomfort allegedly incurred by snowflakes who have no real ties to the school, and who would probably leave in a heartbeat if a higher-paying job came calling. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 29, 2018 19:12:58 GMT -5
The whole thing is so stupid. Most of the people who are offended by the mascot/logo don't even bother to go to the games.
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 29, 2018 20:32:38 GMT -5
Don’t know that I’m unhappy but I’ll be happier when those who support changing the nickname and mascot (a numerical minority of constituents based on personal observation, data from the Class of 1970 poll respondents and reports about the responses to Fr. Borough’s inquiry in 2017) step up and say what they recommend as the new nickname and mascot and, in addition, explain why the rationale for keeping the Mulledy name on Brooks-Mulledy Hall (to be a constant “reminder” of the sins of the past) wasn’t applied vis-a-vis the Crusader issue, particularly when I am not aware of any redeeming quality for selling slaves while the Crusades, at least at the start, were based on the Pope’s plea to save the Eastern Church from being overrun.
Essentially, the faculty supporters of the nickname/mascot changes are advocating selling the house before lining up a new place to live. Doesn’t make much sense to me, especially when the College wasn’t facing “hurricane warnings” regarding the name (house).
For those who take the position that the nickname/mascot is not or should not be the highest priority for the Trustees, the admin and alums, I completely agree. Instead of spending a significant amount of time and mental energy on the nickname/mascot during the last year (where as far as I know there was no groundswell of enthusiasm to address the issue), IMO the time would have been much better spent on addressing incoming student recruiting issues, admissions, the deterioration in the relative academic profile between HC and other peer institutions and the 0 for 25 winning records for the athletic teams.
Can you say “Accent on the wrong syl-lob-lay”?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 30, 2018 9:03:41 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Free country. But so many are making insulting suppositions about HC professors and their views without any supporting data and mainly relying on negative stereotypes. For instance, I find the citation of the student supposedly relating the views of one professor to be purely anecdotal and truly specious and also without any context. Obviously all the professors agree on everything and think the same way, yeah right. More alarmingly this attack on the HC faculty resembles the criticisms leveled by some discredited groups nationwide. Why do some on this board. resort to personal attacks on the bona fides or good will of those with whom you disagree? Can't you disagree and argue the point? Obviously, I disagree with the majority on this topic. Also, I am a graduate and I dare anyone to call me a "snowflake" (again a term of art used by many in a largely discredited group) to my face. Attacking people, making negative suppositions, relying on stereotypes and name calling are a sign of your weakness and show an inability to craft a mature, coherent argument. Didn't anyone study Rhetoric at HC? Believe it or not many alums disagree with you. HC alums are somewhat diverse in their opinions. Are those who disagree with you terminally biased, out to destroy the school or "snowflakes"? I suggest that some on this board avoid personal name calling and try to develop your arguments in a clear cogent way. I have avoided name calling. Love HC "This attack resembles the criticisms leveled by some discredited groups nationwide." Really? What is the resemblance? What are the unnamed groups to which you refer? Who discredited them and in what way? Of course faculty and alumni/ae are diverse in their opinions. Do you think that is a surprise to anyone here? All those who took rhetoric studied it, I would imagine. No? Why ask that, unless you are making a negative supposition about those with whom you disagree. BTW, isn't saying that some are showing signs of "weakness" and "unable to craft a mature, coherent argument" merely name calling? |
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