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Post by breezy on Jun 13, 2018 14:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2018 15:19:56 GMT -5
So this was accurate P-20 of this thread most likely a walk on
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Post by DiMarz on Jun 13, 2018 15:21:48 GMT -5
I like the way the size is being added to the team. I think that is the one area that needed to be addressed..Our smallish guards , IMHO, have hurt us in many games in the past years...Can't coach size! Those long wing spans will make the defense more difficult to play against...Let us all hope these incoming freshman are athletic and smart!
HOLY CROSS MEN’S BASKETBALL INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown / High School Marlon Hargis G 6-7 195 Mays Landing, N.J. / St. Augustine Prep D.J. Hart F 6-5 230 Newark, N.J. / St. Benedict's Prep Chris Lovisolo F 6-9 180 Allendale, N.J. / Don Bosco Prep Blake Verbeek F 6-10 190 Grand Rapids, Mich. / Calvin Christian Lincoln Yeutter G 6-2 180 Chevy Chase, Md. / Bullis
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2018 15:39:30 GMT -5
I like the way the size is being added to the team. I think that is the one area that needed to be addressed..Our smallish guards , IMHO, have hurt us in many games in the past years...Can't coach size! Those long wing spans will make the defense more difficult to play against...Let us all hope these incoming freshman are athletic and smart! HOLY CROSS MEN’S BASKETBALL INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown / High School Marlon Hargis G 6-7 195 Mays Landing, N.J. / St. Augustine Prep D.J. Hart F 6-5 230 Newark, N.J. / St. Benedict's Prep Chris Lovisolo F 6-9 180 Allendale, N.J. / Don Bosco Prep Blake Verbeek F 6-10 190 Grand Rapids, Mich. / Calvin Christian Lincoln Yeutter G 6-2 180 Chevy Chase, Md. / Bullis DiMarz-- I was thinking the same thing. We have been one of the shorter teams in NCAA D-1 and we got even shorter last year. Here's where we have ranked in D-1 per our friend KenPom--logic suggests that he multiplies the player's height times minutes played to come to the team's height 12-13= #162 in height in D-1 13-14= #288 14-15= #247 15-16= #249 16-17= #252 17-18= #296 Ralph Willard put some very tall teams on the floor , e.g. the 2007-08 team (not our best W-L however) was #26 in height
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Post by matunuck on Jun 13, 2018 15:52:55 GMT -5
Need height AND bulk. 6-10 with no bulk is easily pushed around.
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Post by dadominate on Jun 13, 2018 16:16:08 GMT -5
Need height AND bulk. 6-10 with no bulk is easily pushed around. agreed. i would further argue that footwork, positioning, and instincts are more important than either height or bulk (within reason) when it comes to proficiency around the basket on both the offensive (especially) and defensive ends. you could make an argument that at 6'3, rj was better on the blocks than many of our bigs in recent years. i think we've all probably played with, coached, or just watched a soft big guy who has the body but not the aggressiveness, skill, or instincts to be much of a basketball player. i don't think carm values bangers or operating out of the low post very much, although they seem to be a dying breed in general as many young bigs nowadays spend more time working on their perimeter game than their footwork since it is so valued in both college and the nba. fortunately, we will have two very physical wings in butler and hargis to complement floyd next year and whoever our starting 5 is in future years (faw seeming most likely). let's hope our next damon hart can be as productive at just 6'5 as our previous damon hart in the 90's.
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Post by breezy on Jun 13, 2018 16:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2018 16:45:21 GMT -5
I like the way the size is being added to the team. I think that is the one area that needed to be addressed..Our smallish guards , IMHO, have hurt us in many games in the past years...Can't coach size! Those long wing spans will make the defense more difficult to play against...Let us all hope these incoming freshman are athletic and smart! DiMarz-- I was thinking the same thing. We have been one of the shorter teams in NCAA D-1 and we got even shorter last year. Here's where we have ranked in D-1 per our friend KenPom--logic suggests that he multiplies the player's height times minutes played to come to the team's height 12-13= #162 in height in D-1 13-14= #288 14-15= #247 15-16= #249 16-17= #252 17-18= #296 You are correct about the KenPom methodology = "Overall average height is computed by taking the average listed height of every player on the team, weighted by minutes played. Players that have played less than 10% of their team’s minutes are not included." One thing to keep in mind is that one reason for HC's low height ranking is the presence of so many short guards. HC height doesn't look so bad when using another Pomeroy calculation, i.e. the average height of the PF's and Centers (weighted by minutes played): 12-13= #99 in height in D-1 13-14= #180 14-15= #205 15-16= #203 16-17= #182 17-18= #246
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 13, 2018 17:33:11 GMT -5
So what happened to Karl Charles and the other two guys?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2018 19:05:12 GMT -5
Re: D. J. Hart--very surprised that the release did not mention his father.
Addressing the height/bulk issue, an interesting topic, D.J. is listed at 6-5 230 and a search of recent rosters shows none of our players that height have been anywhere near 230. For perspective Austin Butler is listed at 6-5 (6-3 more accurate?) 209. I'd love to see some film of D.J.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 13, 2018 20:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 13, 2018 20:08:37 GMT -5
Other than Ron and Ronnie Perry, and John and Patrick Benzan, has there been any other father/son or grandfather/grandson legacies on the HC Basketball team? Ronnie’s son Matthew played baseball, making them a third generation baseball family, Patrick is unique in that both his Mother and Father are members of the HC basketball family from their days as HC students.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2018 20:17:40 GMT -5
George Blaney had a son and a brother who played.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jun 13, 2018 21:05:41 GMT -5
Bob/Sean Foley
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Post by HCFC45 on Jun 13, 2018 22:12:35 GMT -5
HOLY CROSS MEN’S BASKETBALL INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown / High School Marlon Hargis G 6-7 195 Mays Landing, N.J. / St. Augustine Prep D.J. Hart F 6-5 230 Newark, N.J. / St. Benedict's Prep Chris Lovisolo F 6-9 180 Allendale, N.J. / Don Bosco Prep Blake Verbeek F 6-10 190 Grand Rapids, Mich. / Calvin Christian Lincoln Yeutter G 6-2 180 Chevy Chase, Md. / Bullis Interesting, we go from no incoming frosh to five! ! Other than the 2 we have heard about, who else won't be back or are we just increasing number of players on the team? !
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 14, 2018 4:18:12 GMT -5
Good question. Here are some more: Are the three suspended guys still enrolled? Does anyone have any idea why they were suspended in the first place? Have any players transferred? Have any players decided to leave team? With respect to the suspensions, I would bet that virtually the entire campus is aware of the reason behind it.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2018 4:37:33 GMT -5
Probably have to wait for an NCAA statement They do not rush
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 14, 2018 5:16:07 GMT -5
The July live period begins in four weeks. Hope we know more before then, including whether there are any consequences for the program as well as the unholy three.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 14, 2018 6:23:16 GMT -5
HOLY CROSS MEN’S BASKETBALL INCOMING FRESHMAN CLASS Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Hometown / High School Marlon Hargis G 6-7 195 Mays Landing, N.J. / St. Augustine Prep D.J. Hart F 6-5 230 Newark, N.J. / St. Benedict's Prep Chris Lovisolo F 6-9 180 Allendale, N.J. / Don Bosco Prep Blake Verbeek F 6-10 190 Grand Rapids, Mich. / Calvin Christian Lincoln Yeutter G 6-2 180 Chevy Chase, Md. / Bullis Interesting, we go from no incoming frosh to five! ! Other than the 2 we have heard about, who else won't be back or are we just increasing number of players on the team? ! There’s no way all 5 of those guys will be on scholarship next year so i don’t think there will be 5 scholarship players leaving the program. I suspect the two who were suspended (Charles and Stevens) will be gone. Don’t know about any others.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 14, 2018 6:58:57 GMT -5
For anybody interested, the link below is for the NCAA Media Center - this is likely the site which will publicize the results of the investigation when it's all said and done. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2018 7:26:51 GMT -5
I'd have to bet that Hargis and Verbeek are on scholarship and that Hart, Yeutter, and Lovisolo are preferred walk-ons.....
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Post by trimster on Jun 14, 2018 7:58:23 GMT -5
I believe this question has been asked before and I am a bit confused by the designation of “preferred walk on.” Am I correct in assuming you can have as many preferred walk-ons in a scholarship program as you want as long as you don’t exceed any league imposed limits on roster sizes. Ninety players is the number that comes to mind for PL football but I don’t know if there is a limit on roster size in PL basketball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2018 8:10:23 GMT -5
I think of a "preferred walk-on" as a recruited athlete who is not on scholarship, i.e. the coaches say "we'd sure love for you to come to our school and we'll have a place on the team for you, but, alas, no scholarship". That distinguishes that player from some other walk-ons who were not well known to the coaches before they tried out for the team.
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Post by HCFC45 on Jun 14, 2018 8:22:48 GMT -5
From the PL Governance section regarding Men's Basketball:
2. Squad Size. [February 2009; revised December 2013; revised, CAA, November 2017]
Squad sizes shall be limited to fifteen (15) participants and a bench limit of twenty-two
(22) for visiting teams during the regular-season and all teams during the Patriot League
Championship. There are no squad size limitations for the home institution in regularseason
competition only. [Exceptions will be made for a Clergy or Officer Representative]
NCAA rules allow for 13 scholarship players. Assume this is true for the PL.
Thus, it looks like there is room for only 2 preferred walkons.
Last season we had 14 on the roster. Assuming that 1 of the 14 was a walkon, we must have had 13 on scholarship. Assuming we lost 2 on scholarship and 1 walkon, that would allow for 2 scholarship additions and 2 walkon additions to get to the max 15 participants allowed by the PL.
With 5 incoming players, it would appear that 1 other scholarship player has left/transferred....
Comments???
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 14, 2018 8:52:41 GMT -5
KC, MP, and JS would be three scollies. With WP a walk-on, that's four of a 14 man roster.
Perhaps bison can answer, as to whether a walk-on receiving only need-based aid does not count against the 13 scollie limit for men's basketball.
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