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Post by captainkarl on Jun 29, 2018 12:02:57 GMT -5
The Cap't struggles with the night games; too much time to get loose and conversational at the t-gate.... better start training now so Karl Daddy can be ready to go in case we do have a night game (wink)
Happy America Eve, Eve, Eve, Eve, Eve you Guys.
Go Sades
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Post by HC92 on Jun 29, 2018 13:24:32 GMT -5
i clicked on the link abv from 2016 and imme saw 'Sarasota' with a post - does anyone know how he is doing ? He appears to be alive and well on Facebook. Last post there was 13 hours ago.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 29, 2018 15:53:05 GMT -5
That is good to hear!
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Post by td128 on Jun 30, 2018 6:14:16 GMT -5
I fully concur that we are due for another night game and recently broached this topic with the folks on campus. There was a general agreement that we are ready and hopefully this will happen in the next year or two. The price of temporary lighting previously quoted in this thread is off by a factor of 3. Here is the outfit in Iowa that seems to have a monopoly on this business: www.musco.com/For those who recall, the first two night games (2011 and 2012) were wildly successful in every regard with the exception of the final scores although the games vs both UMass and UNH were good college football games. Going into the UMass game, the assessment was made that the college would look to have a second night game if the first was successful. I believe the announced attendance vs UMass was 18k and I think based on memory that that number was fairly accurate. The attendance vs UNH was down marginally if memory serves in the area of 15-16k but still a successful endeavor given that the cost of tickets was $18. The school more than covered the cost of lighting and had a great vibe in and around the stadium and campus for these events. The only good thing that came out of the Monmouth game was the second half coming out performance of Peter Pujals because from an attendance standpoint (8k?) and final score this game was a dud. Given that the night games were in three consecutive years, the novelty of night football had definitely worn off and it showed. I will say this, though, the kids absolutely LOVE playing under the lights and more than a few of the Crusaders told me that the experience of playing under the lights was one of the top experiences of their 4 years wearing the Purple. Certainly not going to happen this year but the FoCF will definitely continue to raise the topic of night football with the folks on campus. LET'S WIN!!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 30, 2018 8:49:21 GMT -5
I doubt that the Lehigh basketball team, in the case above, would have stayed a second night in Worcester. Gane over 11pm, on the bus by 1145, in Bethlehem at 4:30am on a Saturday morning. Wouldn't be the first time a college sports team hopped off a bus at that hour. I agree with you. It happens all of the time. But you also left out of the quote the biggest point I was trying to make - comparing how a school handles travel for one team vs. another is not an apples to apples comparison. Understood. Sort of like how men's and women's basketball fly into BWI for games against Navy, American and Loyola. But the swim team will obviously bus to Annapolis for Patriots and the football team buses to Georgetown most of the time.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2018 9:38:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing that at SOME POINT we will have to comply with ADA at Fitton. Are we just planning to keep the stadium (and hot dogs) "as is" until the 22nd century? Maybe the time to rip the band-aid off is sooner rather than later. The cost to redo Fitton, to meet ADA , I have been told is greater than 25 million dollar. The current priority is to finalize funding for the new Recreation Center and the Performing Arts Center under this capital campaign. The next campaign will have to focus on a remodel of all hill dorms and a new dorm. The upgrade to facilities at Fitton will include new locker rooms for Football, Baseball, Softball and Tennis in a new building. Please see the dialog We previously had regarding Fitton noted below. crossports.freeforums.net/thread/235/fitton-football-stadiumI would add that a parking garage near the top of the hill is also in the larger scheme of plans, and nobody gives big money for the naming rights to a parking garage. Based on a now-dated conversation, the new set of locker rooms near Fitton would be in a small building that was not physically part of Fitton, so ADA issues are avoided. Some may recall posts from several years ago about how UMass built a new press box etc for McGuirk, and took particular care that the new press box did not physically touch the old stadium. If HC's enrollment continues to grow, a new residence hall will be needed sooner rather than later I do not know how many, if any, students HC places in the properties it owns on City View and College streets, and the several that HC did not demolish on Caro.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2018 9:59:14 GMT -5
I would think that a building that runs the length of the open end zone could accommodate the locker rooms needed...and at the same time improve rest rooms and concessions. Would not affect the stadium itself either.
There's also a decent amount of space under the visitors' stands if the building was longer but not that wide. It would not be esthetically pleasing in any way (being under something else); however, does it really need to be?
Off topic (slightly). I have come to the realization that the Fitton stands, especially on the home side, are not very safe. And I'm someone w/o mobility issues (knock on wood).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2018 12:04:51 GMT -5
I would think that a building that runs the length of the open end zone could accommodate the locker rooms needed...and at the same time improve rest rooms and concessions. Would not affect the stadium itself either. There's also a decent amount of space under the visitors' stands if the building was longer but not that wide. It would not be esthetically pleasing in any way (being under something else); however, does it really need to be? Off topic (slightly). I have come to the realization that the Fitton stands, especially on the home side, are not very safe. And I'm someone w/o mobility issues (knock on wood). My understanding is that TPTB (with the athletic department having a significant voice) are reluctant to invest in infrastructure in the Fitton Field flood plain. The hesitation about installing field turf was/is that if the Middle River floods, is the rug ruined? Probably, because of contamination. The cost of flood-proofing new locker rooms, etc., at field level sitting in the flood plain simply adds a cost that the college would prefer to avoid. The site for the new locker rooms was to be/is here, or nearby. goo.gl/maps/bgygihnKMg82
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2018 6:45:42 GMT -5
Bit of rain fell in Worcester yesterday. Nowhere near a Biblical rain, however. "A car sat submerged on the on-ramp to Interstate 290 east at College Square as water poured down College Street and off the highway." T&G Video of Cambridge St.. goo.gl/maps/BcZTYVrUwjm^^^ I believe this is the location of the video. And this is why the college is not enthusiastic about putting down a rug at Fitton.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 18, 2018 7:04:56 GMT -5
Fair point, Pak. There is a solution to such issues, however. The stadium in the Meadowlands (NJ) is actually below water level. Several large pumps keep the field dry year round. All it takes is money...even more than lights would cost
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 18, 2018 7:05:59 GMT -5
I always did wonder why they did not simply raise the stadium and field (when i was first built) for a better long term, solution...but that may have had a negative impact on the neighbors.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2018 7:14:36 GMT -5
Good thing that the leaders of Holy Cross over the years "built up" the hill so there is no flooding of basements and lower floors in the buildings.
Phreek, I think that most of the folks here who want to see improvements to Fitton are looking more for lights than artificial turf. We have a number of former players posting here and would be more interested in their perspective than those of us who just sit in the stands. While turf has improved, I think that most players would still rather play on grass.
And, for the hundredth time, I was told that the drainage is excellent on Fitton and no need for turf. With very few exceptions, the field looks to be in great shape for almost every game. The grounds people who do award winning work around the campus do equally well on Fitton's playing surface.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 18, 2018 7:54:43 GMT -5
If HC's enrollment continues to grow, a new residence hall will be needed sooner rather than later I do not know how many, if any, students HC places in the properties it owns on City View and College streets, and the several that HC did not demolish on Caro. Two recent conversations one with a rising senior... moving off campus, relaxed application process for this due to higher than expected yield this year and last. the other with a person working on special projects including extensively rehabbing the all upper campus [50's era] dorms with minimum displacement... no plans to increase enrollment
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2018 10:00:01 GMT -5
On the turf field at Fitton, it is my understanding if a turf field is covered with floodwaters (the source of which originates from outside the field, and the waters could contain sewage, petroleum oils, doggie doo, sediments, etc, than the rug must be pulled up. That is different than a turf field that floods simply because of rain falling on the field. It is the contaminants from outside sources, such as urban street or stream flooding, that causes the problem. _______________ With respect to residence halls, these are 'cash cows;; universities much prefer students paying 'rent' to them than to an outside party. The Easy St dorms are 60 years old; methinks if HC is trying for a rebuild that will last 50 years, and trying to accomplish that over four summer months, the labor costs will be tres cher.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 18, 2018 10:23:07 GMT -5
On the turf field at Fitton, it is my understanding if a turf field is covered with floodwaters (the source of which originates from outside the field, and the waters could contain sewage, petroleum oils, doggie doo, sediments, etc, than the rug must be pulled up. That is different than a turf field that floods simply because of rain falling on the field. It is the contaminants from outside sources, such as urban street or stream flooding, that causes the problem. _______________ With respect to residence halls, these are 'cash cows;; universities much prefer students paying 'rent' to them than to an outside party. The Easy St dorms are 60 years old; methinks if HC is trying for a rebuild that will last 50 years, and trying to accomplish that over four summer months, the labor costs will be tres cher. from the conversation the extent of the rehab envisioned would mean that it could not be done over the summer... my thought, a schedule that always had 3 of the 4 dorms available might be completed in 3 years considering that they are essentially identical.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2018 12:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 18, 2018 17:10:15 GMT -5
Maybe the school isn't winning many games (understatement) but it seems like all the teams are accommodated much better than they were. So, yes, there's no good reason for turf. just lights and much improved locker rooms...not like lacrosse or soccer needs a new home or anything like that.
Actually, it turns out that in a different era HC could have pocketed a lot of cash from the state for I290 going through Fitton and built a new place up on the hill. Certainly was not a viable option in the mid 60s, however.
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Post by gks on Jul 19, 2018 12:19:19 GMT -5
Drove by Fitton today on 290. There are actually now hand rails for the stairs in the bleachers. Took long enough.
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Post by trimster on Jul 19, 2018 12:24:11 GMT -5
I think a section of chair back seats, possibly on both sides of the fifty yard line, are in order.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 19, 2018 14:37:55 GMT -5
Absolutely trimster, so they can charge me more for the same seats that I’ve had for years.
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Post by trimster on Jul 19, 2018 18:06:11 GMT -5
Absolutely trimster, so they can charge me more for the same seats that I’ve had for years. Such is life in the world of Division 1 athletics. How you you like to be paying a seat licensing fee or whatever the big boys call it to give you the right to buy season tickets. Talk about things getting out of control. I ran into an Auburn fan here in Central Mass and he said the War Eagles sell season tickets for tailgating. Yikes.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 20, 2018 6:23:55 GMT -5
Absolutely trimster, so they can charge me more for the same seats that I’ve had for years. . I think in a few years we'd all be delighted to read that attendance was good enough that they decided to do something like you just described. Hc would be absolutely foolish to do that under the present conditions
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Post by gks on Jul 20, 2018 10:44:50 GMT -5
This might be a dumb question.....how is it that hand rails for the stairs and chairbacks don't trigger the dreaded ADA requirements?
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Post by gks on Jul 20, 2018 10:46:12 GMT -5
Argument has been that if a new press box or lights were to be put up the entire stadium would have to be redone (which would be a good thing IMO).
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Post by JRGNYR on Jul 20, 2018 11:37:43 GMT -5
I'm not entirely familiar but I believe there's a certain threshold within the ADA definition of "usability" whereby improvements under a certain point (whatever that is) don't trigger those necessary wholesale changes. But I could very well be wrong.
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