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Post by hc87 on Jun 27, 2018 13:07:29 GMT -5
Just curious. Seems like this is an issue/idea that has been mostly dropped by the school.
Were they deemed not worth the trouble/expense?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 27, 2018 14:32:36 GMT -5
I am not sure that our new coaches have yet had their input on this.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 27, 2018 14:55:57 GMT -5
I was surprised that our last one (Monmouth 2013) is going on 5 years ago now...seemed like only a couple years ago we had one.
Kind of a long time not to have one after having 3 in a short period...was just curious if those in the know more than I had an explanation/reason(s) why we haven't had one in awhile.
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Post by Ignutz on Jun 27, 2018 15:07:59 GMT -5
I was surprised that our last one (Monmouth 2013) is going on 5 years ago now...seemed like only a couple years ago we had one. Kind of a long time not to have one after having 3 in a short period...was just curious if those in the know more than I had an explanation/reason(s) why we haven't had one in awhile. My understanding is that the cost is in the $150K+ range. Sounds like a lot, but my source is reliable.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 27, 2018 15:24:50 GMT -5
I was surprised that our last one (Monmouth 2013) is going on 5 years ago now...seemed like only a couple years ago we had one. Kind of a long time not to have one after having 3 in a short period...was just curious if those in the know more than I had an explanation/reason(s) why we haven't had one in awhile. My understanding is that the cost is in the $150K+ range. Sounds like a lot, but my source is reliable. I don't doubt you and that is prohibitive. If $$$ wasn't an issue for this year's sked...I think one of those 3 games at Fitton in Septembah should a night game. Probably either the Yale or Dartmouth game. We have to "mix it up" imo....game after game at Fitton at 1 or 12:30 just doesn't work in 2018. Hopefully renewed interest, $$$ from FBS games etc will bring lights back to Fitton soon.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 27, 2018 15:31:04 GMT -5
I had heard that other PL schools weren't keen on night games in Worcester because of travel implications. And then the number of 'home' games against OOC foes are fewer, because if HC plays a FBS opponent that's an away game, and if HC plays two FBS games in one year, that's two away games. The home schedule gets whittled down to five games or less.
I don't think a night game against Monmouth is going to draw more than a day game.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 27, 2018 15:35:37 GMT -5
As much as I like a night game at Fitton, I'd rather sink the money into coaches' salaries to get better coaches. And, yes, I also heard that even though there was a buzz about night games and more people show up, not enough to offset the extra expense.
After we've played a few of those money games, perhaps we will see a night game or two back on the schedule . . . . when the money's in the bank.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 27, 2018 15:49:48 GMT -5
I think the $150,000 + estimate is high according to my reliable source - anyway, I agree that the increased attendance would not justify whatever the cost is. I have noted on the football page that the starting times have been posted and they are all 1pm (and a 12:30 in nov) again. This is what I have a problem with. There would be absolutely no problem with daylight if games started at 2 or 3 pm in Sep and early Oct, and attendance might be a bit better when you can satisfy Saturday morning activities and still get to the game.
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Post by joe on Jun 27, 2018 18:27:38 GMT -5
Put in the g**damn lights already. Nights games are how it’s done. Tough crap if it makes your travel plans more difficult. Be D1. So sick of this conversation. Our few night games were awesome. UMass game was as good of a D1 environment as we could ever expect at Fitton Field. In September when it’s warm we can start later, and as the weather turns cold we can start at 3 PM and turn the lights on later.
Seriously? How can we put 97 million into athletics and still really be having his conversation. I hope someday we can look back on these threads and chuckle, long after Chesney has taken care of business.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2018 20:26:30 GMT -5
Put in the g**damn lights already. Nights games are how it’s done. Tough crap if it makes your travel plans more difficult. Be D1. So sick of this conversation. Our few night games were awesome. UMass game was as good of a D1 environment as we could ever expect at Fitton Field. In September when it’s warm we can start later, and as the weather turns cold we can start at 3 PM and turn the lights on later. Seriously? How can we put 97 million into athletics and still really be having his conversation. I hope someday we can look back on these threads and chuckle, long after Chesney has taken care of business. Agreed. Travel implications wouldn't be an issue in any case because we would in all likelihood be playing night games early in the season when it's warmer, meaning these games would be against non-conference opponents, which tend to be local. We still have yet to play a night game against a PL school.
IMO, we ought to look into permanent lighting. I know it's not that simple but our track/field hockey, soccer and lax/practice football fields have them so why not Fitton? Permanent lights would be much more cost effective than repeatedly renting temporary light fixtures in the long run, obviously. Eventually the permanent light structures would pay for themselves.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 27, 2018 20:29:46 GMT -5
I had heard that other PL schools weren't keen on night games in Worcester because of travel implications. "Travel implications" weren't a problem when Lehigh basketball played a 9pm Friday night game here in January 2007. That night was awesome, btw.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 28, 2018 8:15:19 GMT -5
The combination of opponent and TV exposure are, IMO, the biggest parts of this. I distinctly remember watching the UMass game some years ago on TV under the lights. Looked awesome. Realistically, it does work better with a local opponent. Harvard, Yale and UNH are the three best options. If UMass and/or UConn ever go back to FCS, then those would be good options as well.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 28, 2018 8:23:54 GMT -5
I had heard that other PL schools weren't keen on night games in Worcester because of travel implications. "Travel implications" weren't a problem when Lehigh basketball played a 9pm Friday night game here in January 2007. That night was awesome, btw.
Way less of a financial issue potentially housing a travel party of 20 in a hotel as opposed to 80, although I still doubt that they'd put a football team up in a hotel for a second night (assuming they would have traveled on Thursday, stayed Thu. night and played Friday). Also would have to go back and see what Lehigh's next game was - from an itinerary standpoint, playing on Friday at 9 might not have changed much of what they were doing with travel, etc. My main point is, you can't take what a school does for one sport and necessarily translate it equally to what they'd do for another. Roster sizes, schedule, budget, etc., all play a role. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
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Post by gks on Jun 28, 2018 8:29:49 GMT -5
The day you worry about your opponent's travel is the day you get out of D1 athletics. Another reason to hate the PL.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 28, 2018 9:01:25 GMT -5
It's not HC worrying about their opponent's travel, it's your opponent worrying about their own travel.
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Post by gks on Jun 28, 2018 11:55:22 GMT -5
If the opponent's don't like scheduling too bad. It's called home field/court advantage. There's no classes on Sunday last time I checked.
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Post by Tom on Jun 28, 2018 12:03:33 GMT -5
IMO, we ought to look into permanent lighting. I know it's not that simple but our track/field hockey, soccer and lax/practice football fields have them so why not Fitton? Permanent lights would be much more cost effective than repeatedly renting temporary light fixtures in the long run, obviously. Eventually the permanent light structures would pay for themselves.
This might seem silly, but would adding permanent lights be enough of an upgrade to eliminate grandfathered exemptions on things like handicap accessibility?
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 28, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
Phreek has opined in the past, if my memory is correct, that permanent lights trigger the ADA requirements and, also trying to tap my memory, that permanent lighting would require not just the illumination of the playing field but various surrounding areas. But, I'm sure he will be happy to re-inform us all. What other Patriot League schools play intra-league night games? I would guess that if there is any possibility, it would be the "Pennsylvania 3" because they are so proximate to each other. Despite what some posters have stated above, opponent schools do have a say because a night game probably entails additional expenses, like an extra hotel stay. Also from my always inconsistent memory, when we last played Dartmouth, at night, our team stayed 2 nights in the Hanover area. Would guess that all PL teams would have to do the same to be reasonably rested for the game and recovery after.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2018 20:55:09 GMT -5
I'm guessing that at SOME POINT we will have to comply with ADA at Fitton. Are we just planning to keep the stadium (and hot dogs) "as is" until the 22nd century? Maybe the time to rip the band-aid off is sooner rather than later.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 28, 2018 20:57:42 GMT -5
"Travel implications" weren't a problem when Lehigh basketball played a 9pm Friday night game here in January 2007. That night was awesome, btw.
Way less of a financial issue potentially housing a travel party of 20 in a hotel as opposed to 80, although I still doubt that they'd put a football team up in a hotel for a second night (assuming they would have traveled on Thursday, stayed Thu. night and played Friday). Also would have to go back and see what Lehigh's next game was - from an itinerary standpoint, playing on Friday at 9 might not have changed much of what they were doing with travel, etc. I doubt that the Lehigh basketball team, in the case above, would have stayed a second night in Worcester. Gane over 11pm, on the bus by 1145, in Bethlehem at 4:30am on a Saturday morning. Wouldn't be the first time a college sports team hopped off a bus at that hour.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 28, 2018 21:46:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing that at SOME POINT we will have to comply with ADA at Fitton. Are we just planning to keep the stadium (and hot dogs) "as is" until the 22nd century? Maybe the time to rip the band-aid off is sooner rather than later. The cost to redo Fitton, to meet ADA , I have been told is greater than 25 million dollar. The current priority is to finalize funding for the new Recreation Center and the Performing Arts Center under this capital campaign. The next campaign will have to focus on a remodel of all hill dorms and a new dorm. The upgrade to facilities at Fitton will include new locker rooms for Football, Baseball, Softball and Tennis in a new building. Please see the dialog We previously had regarding Fitton noted below. crossports.freeforums.net/thread/235/fitton-football-stadium
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 29, 2018 8:22:21 GMT -5
If the opponent's don't like scheduling too bad. It's called home field/court advantage. There's no classes on Sunday last time I checked. That's also not the point, but go with whatever works for you.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 29, 2018 8:33:28 GMT -5
Way less of a financial issue potentially housing a travel party of 20 in a hotel as opposed to 80, although I still doubt that they'd put a football team up in a hotel for a second night (assuming they would have traveled on Thursday, stayed Thu. night and played Friday). Also would have to go back and see what Lehigh's next game was - from an itinerary standpoint, playing on Friday at 9 might not have changed much of what they were doing with travel, etc. I doubt that the Lehigh basketball team, in the case above, would have stayed a second night in Worcester. Gane over 11pm, on the bus by 1145, in Bethlehem at 4:30am on a Saturday morning. Wouldn't be the first time a college sports team hopped off a bus at that hour. I agree with you. It happens all of the time. But you also left out of the quote the biggest point I was trying to make - comparing how a school handles travel for one team vs. another is not an apples to apples comparison.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 29, 2018 8:35:20 GMT -5
i clicked on the link abv from 2016 and imme saw 'Sarasota' with a post - does anyone know how he is doing ?
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 29, 2018 8:36:36 GMT -5
i clicked on the link abv from 2016 and imme saw 'Sarasota' with a post - does anyone know how he is doing ? I had the same thought and was just looking. He hasn't posted since early September.
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