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Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2018 8:23:09 GMT -5
A quick scan also says that no information other than class has been updated for returning players - IIRC this is past practice for this early July posting and not an indication of poor WiFi in the webmasters delivery room
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 8:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2018 8:36:09 GMT -5
IIRC, RC was on the roster all four years. I think we will have to see if MP actually runs up and down the floor.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 8:40:51 GMT -5
Perkins' presence on the roster is something of a surprise. I am nearly 100% sure that he cannot play, but maybe they couldn't sufficiently justify a medical waiver to satisfy the rules on the subject.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 2, 2018 8:41:46 GMT -5
New roster up Only slight surprise is Perkins Could Perkins being listed on the roster the same as Criswell being listed?
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Post by hchoops on Jul 2, 2018 8:50:06 GMT -5
Very likely
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 8:53:21 GMT -5
Could Perkins being listed on the roster the same as Criswell being listed? Not sure it tells us anything, but the roster pages for Criswell's last two years list him without an assigned number, and team photos show him in civvies.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 8:55:17 GMT -5
If that's the case, is it clear whether we have 12 or 13 scholarship players on the roster? I thought Criswell didn't' count against the total.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2018 8:57:32 GMT -5
New roster up Only slight surprise is Perkins Could Perkins being listed on the roster the same as Criswell being listed? IIRC, RC continued to receive his scollie, but was a non-counter in the eyes of the NCAA. I'll speculate and say that by being a non-counter he did not gain any future eligibility at HC or elsewhere; i.e., once he became a non-counter, he could not become a member of the playing roster in a future year. RC became a student assistant, same as a former captain of the ice hockey team who was concussed and not allowed to play again.
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Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2018 9:00:29 GMT -5
Perkins' presence on the roster is something of a surprise. I am nearly 100% sure that he cannot play, but maybe they couldn't sufficiently justify a medical waiver to satisfy the rules on the subject. I was under the impression that Perkins stated he was done while speaking at a public symposium this past Spring. I was not there so I didn't hear it myself, but it was a public event. What's puzzling to me is the whole one year aspect of athletic scholarships. Why can't his scholarship be pulled for no reason and give it to someone else if it was only guaranteed for one year. Obviously you need a waiver if the NCAA is going to pick up the tab for someone medically unable to play. Is there some NCAA rule against pulling an athletic scholarship under the one year thing, but letting the kid stay at school for free if he's no longer associated with athletics? And this is a serious question - I really have no clue on the subject
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jul 2, 2018 9:21:09 GMT -5
Perkins' presence on the roster is something of a surprise. I am nearly 100% sure that he cannot play, but maybe they couldn't sufficiently justify a medical waiver to satisfy the rules on the subject. I was under the impression that Perkins stated he was done while speaking at a public symposium this past Spring. I was not there so I didn't hear it myself, but it was a public event. What's puzzling to me is the whole one year aspect of athletic scholarships. Why can't his scholarship be pulled for no reason and give it to someone else if it was only guaranteed for one year. Obviously you need a waiver if the NCAA is going to pick up the tab for someone medically unable to play. Is there some NCAA rule against pulling an athletic scholarship under the one year thing, but letting the kid stay at school for free if he's no longer associated with athletics? And this is a serious question - I really have no clue on the subject 1) If I'm not mistaken, schools can decide whether they want to have 1-year schollies or guarantee all 4 years, and I believe HC has chosen to only have 4-year scholarships 2) If you pull a kid's scholarship and he wants to stay at the school, I think he would have to either pay his own way or apply for financial aid like "normal" students. Pulling scholarships is generally not a good practice and would lead to other coaches finding out and using it against you in recruiting.
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Post by Ray on Jul 2, 2018 10:15:22 GMT -5
There are 16 names on that list, I thought rosters maxed at 15. So maybe Perkins is there in some sort of legacy/honorary capacity?
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 2, 2018 10:20:07 GMT -5
There are 16 names on that list, I thought rosters maxed at 15. So maybe Perkins is there in some sort of legacy/honorary capacity? for PL away games
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 10:30:34 GMT -5
Believe these are the possibilities with Perkins:
1. He has retained his original scholarship, and there are 13 counting scholarships on the roster with three PWOs (presumed to be Lovisolo, Yeutter, Hart) 2. He has been "criswelled" with a non-counting scholarship, and there are 13 counting scholarships, because one of the presumed PWOs has been given one. 3. He has been "criswelled," and there are only 12 counting scholarships (with three PWOs), either because (a) the team has chosen to go with only 12 instead of 13, or because (b) um, you know . . .
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Post by bison137 on Jul 2, 2018 11:57:35 GMT -5
There are 16 names on that list, I thought rosters maxed at 15. So maybe Perkins is there in some sort of legacy/honorary capacity? for PL away games Yes. For all other games, there is no limit at all on how many players may be rostered. Army has had as many as 24.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 2, 2018 12:08:27 GMT -5
Could Perkins being listed on the roster the same as Criswell being listed? IIRC, RC continued to receive his scollie, but was a non-counter in the eyes of the NCAA. I'll speculate and say that by being a non-counter he did not gain any future eligibility at HC or elsewhere; i.e., once he became a non-counter, he could not become a member of the playing roster in a future year. That is generally true - but not always. For a player to be put into that category, the school's medical staff must state that he is not expected to be able to play again. However on rare occasions, the player makes an unexpected recovery and the player can petition the NCAA to be allowed to play again. Usually permission will be granted, although sometimes the school may be required to forfeit a scholarship in a future year. American's Yilret Yiljep, who saw a lot of minutes as a post player four years ago, missed the last three seasons with what I believe was an enlarged heart. However he now apparently has been cleared to play again and has been granted two years of eligibility while he pursues an MBA.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 2, 2018 14:07:51 GMT -5
Well I stand quickly corrected. First weekday of the month, and it's up. Perkins is listed as on the team. Stevens and Charles are not Next question (not that anyone necessarily knows the answer) is are they still in school (on their own dime) or gone completely? Did they at least finish the semester?
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Post by Tom on Jul 2, 2018 14:28:32 GMT -5
Well I stand quickly corrected. First weekday of the month, and it's up. Perkins is listed as on the team. Stevens and Charles are not Next question (not that anyone necessarily knows the answer) is are they still in school (on their own dime) or gone completely? Did they at least finish the semester? Charles, Stevens, and Powers all finished the semester. I have no information about what their plans are for September
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 2, 2018 17:08:17 GMT -5
Looks like Grandi is changing numbers.
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Post by southernsader on Jul 2, 2018 18:51:10 GMT -5
Powers was already on his own dime anyway.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 19:15:15 GMT -5
Looks like Grandi is changing numbers. Only one other scholarship player in the last ten years has worn #3.
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Post by HC16 on Jul 2, 2018 19:18:12 GMT -5
Looks like Grandi is changing numbers. Only one other scholarship player in the last ten years has worn #3. Lawrence Dixon?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 2, 2018 19:36:12 GMT -5
Only one other scholarship player in the last ten years has worn #3. Lawrence Dixon? He did. Not who I was thinking of, and I considered the 2008-09 to be 11 years ago . . . Exhibit A as to why doing trivia questions is beyond my core competency.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 2, 2018 22:17:06 GMT -5
Yes. For all other games, there is no limit at all on how many players may be rostered. Army has had as many as 24. The service academies and the Ivies always have men's basketball rosters approaching twenty, or sometimes higher as you pointed out.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 2, 2018 22:24:49 GMT -5
Current roster size for men's basketball
Army 22 Navy 18
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