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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 2, 2018 22:29:23 GMT -5
Looks like Grandi is changing numbers. Only one other scholarship player in the last ten years has worn #3. Jerz |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 2, 2018 23:12:18 GMT -5
Only one other scholarship player in the last ten years has worn #3. Jerz Not in the 10 year time period specified |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 3, 2018 2:56:45 GMT -5
He did. Not who I was thinking of, and I considered the 2008-09 to be 11 years ago . . . Exhibit A as to why doing trivia questions is beyond my core competency. Justin Burrell |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2018 4:23:40 GMT -5
Justin is right - how quickly we forget.
NAD, you're posting at 4AM? Didn't think anybody was up before me. Make sure you give yourself enough "opportunity to sleep."
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2018 9:24:33 GMT -5
For some reason I couldn't think of a #3 after Brian Wilson.
I have noticed that the single digits are a lot more popular these days. Part of that is that 1 and 2 were not legal numbers until the last 15-20 years so they were usually available for an incoming player to grab. Not sure why "0" has also gotten popular. My high school had it for a while but most kids hated getting it.
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 3, 2018 16:24:57 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to see all that size on the rooster? There are 9 players 6' 5" or taller...4 are 6' 8" or taller, and there is a 6'6" and 6'7" guard!!!....plus 6'5" AB....Team is getting longer, makes that 1-3-1 tougher!!!
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 3, 2018 16:27:34 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to see all that size on the rooster? There are 9 players 6' 5" or taller...4 are 6' 8" or taller, and there is a 6'6" and 6'7" guard!!!....plus 6'5" AB....Team is getting longer, makes that 1-3-1 tougher!!! YES. I wish they listed "wingspan" as some recruiting sites are now doing. I think HC looks very good in that regard and it certainly helps in a 1-3-1. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2018 16:32:03 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to see all that size on the rooster? There are 9 players 6' 5" or taller...4 are 6' 8" or taller, and there is a 6'6" and 6'7" guard!!!....plus 6'5" AB.... Team is getting longer, makes that 1-3-1 tougher!!!Depends who is running the baseline. Eric Green is not walking through that door . . . Except for the miraculous tournament run in 16-17, the 1-3-1 has been unimpressive. Need speed and instinct, not just length, at the bottom.
Verrbeek's film shows him willing/able to jump out from the paint to the arc with some agility, an improvement over Matt Faw. My hope is that Verbeek can spell Jehyve some next year, and that Carmody will employ a more vanilla 2-3 sometimes - that will allow Faw some more court time alongside JF.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 3, 2018 16:44:24 GMT -5
I Look for Faw to play with significantly more confidence next year on the defensive end with a clearer understanding of his role and responsibilities
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2018 16:50:00 GMT -5
I hope you're right. Faw is a versatile and talented guy at the offensive end and needs to be on the court more than 10mpg.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 3, 2018 17:05:39 GMT -5
Agree
Most high school and AAU coaches are committed to man to man which is fine as long as you don’t want to teach all of the fundamentals and teamwork
So most kids come in with an understanding of principles but no real experience with the different zones. Teaching and learning various zones and match up zones takes time and most freshmen are playing for minutes and are afraid to make mistakes-therefore they do
It would have been great to take a European trip, but the next year or two might be better for this group- think it could be a very interesting year ahead
Other than Floyd I would have freshmen and sophomores on the floor for most all minutes this winter. I know how others feel about certain players, and on occasions they certainly made significant contributions in the transition season of 17-18, but imho the others give away as much as they give. While a difficult shift it might very well be time to sprint to the future and play with what I believe is better talent.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2018 17:58:24 GMT -5
I’ll suggest that the greatest improvement in play comes between freshman and sophomore years. We’ve discussed this before and some have suggested that our guys will not improve as much because they got so many minutes as freshmen. I think most of them improved over the season so if they only play as well all year as they played in second half of freshman year they’ll all have moved forward. I think they are more likely to improve than CLS and Zig who
Have been around longer. I remain optimistic
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 3, 2018 17:58:39 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to see all that size on the rooster? There are 9 players 6' 5" or taller...4 are 6' 8" or taller, and there is a 6'6" and 6'7" guard!!!....plus 6'5" AB.... Team is getting longer, makes that 1-3-1 tougher!!!Depends who is running the baseline. Eric Green is not walking through that door . . . Except for the miraculous tournament run in 16-17, the 1-3-1 has been unimpressive. Need speed and instinct, not just length, at the bottom.
Verrbeek's film shows him willing/able to jump out from the paint to the arc with some agility, an improvement over Matt Faw. My hope is that Verbeek can spell Jehyve some next year, and that Carmody will employ a more vanilla 2-3 sometimes - that will allow Faw some more court time alongside JF.
All that length at the wing will make it much more difficult for teams to run offense. and will allow the bottom person to be more aggressive to the corners...the passing lanes to the post will be more restricted by a longer player in the middle..I understand we are not at the level of 'Cuse, but think of how they disrupt teams with their zone looks... |
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Post by somedaycamesuddenly on Jul 3, 2018 18:32:35 GMT -5
Outside perspective, but I think height (as a proxy for length) is a bit overrated. At the PL level, there often seems to be a trade-off between skill and height with both being important but often not present at the same time in recruits. If I had to say where it is more important to have height on your team it would be with big men where rim protection factors in.
Here are the teams in the PL last year that were the tallest, and by proxy we would assume the longest, compared to other D1 teams:
73) Boston University
108) Lafayette
126) American
139) Bucknell
195) Colgate
255) Navy
273) Army
296) Holy Cross
321) Lehigh
335) Loyola
There doesn't seem to be any clear trend there between quality of teams and how tall they are in the PL.
Other notables:
2) San Jose State
15) Tulane
16) DePaul
27) Florida Atlantic
... the list goes on with bad, tall teams.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 3, 2018 18:41:05 GMT -5
The four freshmen 6-5+ (Hart, Hargis, Lovisolo, and Verbeek) are all wild cards. They may turn out to be impact players in time, but collectively they had no viable offers from anybody else, and two of them are walk-ons. It may be prudent to keep expectations for their contributions (on either end of the floor) on the low side.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 3, 2018 20:44:23 GMT -5
Outside perspective, but I think height (as a proxy for length) is a bit overrated. At the PL level, there often seems to be a trade-off between skill and height with both being important but often not present at the same time in recruits. If I had to say where it is more important to have height on your team it would be with big men where rim protection factors in. Here are the teams in the PL last year that were the tallest, and by proxy we would assume the longest, compared to other D1 teams: 73) Boston University 108) Lafayette 126) American 139) Bucknell 195) Colgate 255) Navy 273) Army 296) Holy Cross 321) Lehigh 335) Loyola There doesn't seem to be any clear trend there between quality of teams and how tall they are in the PL. Other notables: 2) San Jose State 15) Tulane 16) DePaul 27) Florida Atlantic ... the list goes on with bad, tall teams. Of course it would be better to have a talented 6-4 guy than an untalented 6-5 guy, an excellent 6-6 guy rather than a 6-8 weakling, but no one should be surprised to see the very strong correlation between team height and basketball success. There are some tall teams that are bad, as noted above, but look at where the tallest teams rank ( in KenPom) compared to the ten shortest ten tallest teams ranking overall per KenPom 41 301 3 17 56 29 195 88 28 100 so the median is 48 10 shortest teams ranking overall per KenPom 155 314 343 276 199 170 180 313 206 315 so the median is 241 |
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Post by HCFC45 on Jul 3, 2018 22:32:34 GMT -5
Isn't it nice to see all that size on the rooster? There are 9 players 6' 5" or taller...4 are 6' 8" or taller, and there is a 6'6" and 6'7" guard!!!....plus 6'5" AB.... Team is getting longer, makes that 1-3-1 tougher!!!Depends who is running the baseline. Eric Green is not walking through that door . . . Except for the miraculous tournament run in 16-17, the 1-3-1 has been unimpressive. Need speed and instinct, not just length, at the bottom.
Verrbeek's film shows him willing/able to jump out from the paint to the arc with some agility, an improvement over Matt Faw. My hope is that Verbeek can spell Jehyve some next year, and that Carmody will employ a more vanilla 2-3 sometimes - that will allow Faw some more court time alongside JF.
Slight correction..... It was actually: '15 - '16!  !!! |
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Post by possum on Jul 4, 2018 5:21:48 GMT -5
EFG unless we are going on the presumption that the other 350 D-1 coaches are stupid it's a big reach to think the incoming freshmen are better and deserve more minutes than Benzan, Zignorski and LeSann. When's the last time talented 6-10 players had no offers.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 4, 2018 5:28:19 GMT -5
I am hoping they are in a position where they need next to nothing from the incoming freshmen next year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 4, 2018 6:23:23 GMT -5
Having time to develop at a college D1 level can be a huge benefit for some potentially good players who might be hurt by getting pushed into major playing time too soon. That can sometimes result in a player trying to work with stop-gap measures that may not be best for him or his game in the long run. With the luxury of being able to develop at a less frenzied pace, an average player may become a solid member of a strong team down the road as a junior or senior.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 4, 2018 8:37:29 GMT -5
EFG unless we are going on the presumption that the other 350 D-1 coaches are stupid it's a big reach to think the incoming freshmen are better and deserve more minutes than Benzan, Zignorski and LeSann. When's the last time talented 6-10 players had no offers. Imho I believe the sophomore class is more talented for this style of play and has depth at the 1-3 positions -those you mention should play and are important to the team for added depth and will be great off the bench. Unless there is additional development by the upperclassmen I see them as our 6-8, but CLS, MH and DJH are wildcards. I agree with your remarks on the rest of the freshmen other than they add depth and the bigs will need to get a few minutes. Last year junior leadership was critical, but I think this year JF,as well as AB and JG, could assume the leadership roles for the team. While necessity required investment in the freshmen last year, and believe most made the transition, developed and made significant contributions, I would argue CG is more disciplined and creative at the 1 than PB, and both AB and JG earned time on the wing over the seniors, and as a shooter KC had moments, although they were limited. You also have CN that can probably play multiple positions. The key to some of the rotations is the development of MF defensively and can he play more minutes with JF At this time I think the younger kids give more flexibility to the lineup than the seniors, and if the two new bigs can given to 3 minutes per game that will help—again this is just one opinion of what might be and would enjoy nothing more than being wrong if it means The three upperclassmen in the backcourt have great summers and special senior/junior years. |
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Post by possum on Jul 4, 2018 15:28:23 GMT -5
EFG agree sophomores will play majority of minutes but your initial post indicated that freshmen should also get minutes over the returning players other than Floyd. Beside Hargis who may have slipped through the cracks and may work his way into the rotation, any meaningful contribution from the rest of the freshmen will be a huge bonus.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 4, 2018 18:14:57 GMT -5
In terms of playing time/rotations, imho the 2 biggest factors this year will be 1) how CBC utilizes PB and CG; and 2) how CBC finds quality time for my guy MF. Striking the best balance of minutes for PB and CG won't be easy - I'm sure there will be times when CG works best; there will be times when PB's intangibles are needed, and there will be some opportunities where they can play together. With MF, I think it's a matter of recognizing matchups where he won't be a big liability on D. If CBC can push the right buttons most of time in these 2 areas, I see no reason why they can't challenge for a title.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 4, 2018 18:52:47 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see how Charles' 30 mpg gets distributed. Maybe AB and JG pick up a combined 10, MF gets 5, Copeland and Niego chip in 5+ each. That leaves another 5 for the frosh, plus any minutes they might steal from Ziggy - he averaged 17 last year, don't see him getting that much again.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 4, 2018 19:48:11 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see how Charles' 30 mpg gets distributed. Maybe AB and JG pick up a combined 10, MF gets 5, Copeland and Niego chip in 5+ each. That leaves another 5 for the frosh, plus any minutes they might steal from Ziggy - he averaged 17 last year, don't see him getting that much again. We played the last 8 games of the year sans KC so i think we have a pretty good idea where his former minutes would go. The real question is whether any minutes get redistributed among the returnees and how many minutes Hargis gets and from whom? |
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