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Post by cmo on Jul 12, 2018 19:15:07 GMT -5
During the hearings today, Mark DeSaulnier, California Democrat told Strozk that "people from Harvard and Yale make the laws, people from Holy Cross and Fordham enforce them."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 12, 2018 19:28:03 GMT -5
I watched much of the hearing but unfortunately missed that segment—very interesting
I was not aware of this alum congressman until just checking Wikipedia
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Post by hcpride on Jul 12, 2018 21:21:24 GMT -5
At first I thought (Democrat) Mark DeSaulnier was making a kind of friendly point that folks from schools like Harvard and Yale make the laws but folks from schools like Holy Cross and Fordham have to enforce them. Since FBI Agent Strzok went to Georgetown (Bachelors and Masters) I don’t really know what DeSaulnier was getting at.
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Post by lou on Jul 12, 2018 21:35:35 GMT -5
I don’t really know what DeSaulnier was getting at. Pretty much what the entire 9 hours was like
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 12, 2018 22:52:47 GMT -5
At first I thought (Democrat) Mark DeSaulnier was making a kind of friendly point that folks from schools like Harvard and Yale make the laws but folks from schools like Holy Cross and Fordham have to enforce them. Since FBI Agent Strzok went to Georgetown (Bachelors and Masters) I don’t really know what DeSaulnier was getting at. www.jstor.org/stable/41289649?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contentsThe summary of the book will provide a reference to Rep. DeSaulnier’s comment. The book “Beyond the Melting Pot” by Daniel Patrick Monynihan brings light to his comment. Of note is the comment by Rev. Gagnon of Fordham. In the post WW2 era, Director Hoover recruited heavily at catholic colleges and universities. Also read “The Bureau: My Thirty Years in the FBI” by William Sullivan. Additional information regarding Fordham is noted below: news.fordham.edu/politics-and-society/fordham-alumni-confirm-working-for-the-fbi-is-cool-2/I’m sure Sader 1970 remembers Rep DeSaulnier’s brother as a classmate.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 4:32:52 GMT -5
If you are referring to "Purple Teddy," he was class of '69 apparently. But, yeah, I remember him.
If you are referring to Bob DeSaulniers, who was on the football team ('70), I am not sure they were brothers as he was from Massachusetts and see the Congressman and Purple Teddy are both from California and more likely to be brothers.
P.S. [Edit] My classmate, Bob, has an "s" at the end of his name, the Congressman and Puprle Teddy do not.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 4:42:11 GMT -5
In the good old days, whether true or not, the reputation was to be an FBI agent, you had to be either a lawyer or accountant. Holy Cross, especially, was good at cranking both of those professions out. HC70, as someone with experience in this arena, could probably add some valuable insights for us. My HC alum father would have loved for me to have gone into the CIA, which I didn't do. Or did I?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 13, 2018 5:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 13, 2018 6:45:37 GMT -5
Based on his date of birth I'll guess Rep DeSaulnier and I overlapped at HC for a few years. I don't remember him but likely served him a few drinks at Wheeler Bar or played some intramurals against him.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 13, 2018 6:46:01 GMT -5
At first I thought (Democrat) Mark DeSaulnier was making a kind of friendly point that folks from schools like Harvard and Yale make the laws but folks from schools like Holy Cross and Fordham have to enforce them. Since FBI Agent Strzok went to Georgetown (Bachelors and Masters) I don’t really know what DeSaulnier was getting at. A fairly widespread belief in the Nation's Capitol, whether warranted or not, is that the intelligence and Federal law enforcement communities tend to lean toward employing Catholics and Mormons in the professional ranks..
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Post by hcpride on Jul 13, 2018 7:19:00 GMT -5
REP DeSaulnier’s (D) allusions to having attended Catholic high schools and schools like HC and Fordham were probably meant to show a personal commonality with Agent Strzok. As was his concurrent observation that those schools produced enforcers of the laws established by Harvard/Yale types. (Strvok seemed to welcome this friendliness from the California Democrat) .
He followed it with a folksy but rather pointed tale of his father ‘s (a judge’s) outrage at his brother putting a political sticker on the back of the family car (in MA) since that would destroy the vital appearance of impartiality.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -5
An old analogy about the Catholic Church: "The Italians make the laws and the Irish observe the laws."
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2018 9:02:01 GMT -5
...since that would destroy the vital appearance of impartiality. It seems that the "appearance" of impartiality is more important to some than actually being impartial. (I agree about avoiding bumper stickers.)
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 9:48:38 GMT -5
Now you decide to drag in gun control issues??!!! Whoops! Ya gotta watch the auto-incorrect!
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 9:52:36 GMT -5
As to judicial impartiality, I am pretty sure I've already posted about a Classmate who finally retired as a Worcester judge recently who would never go on record about almost anything because of his position. Even retired he won't say anything about politics (ah, a precedent-setter for Crossports?).
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Post by HC92 on Jul 13, 2018 12:07:33 GMT -5
Yesterday’s hearing made me seriously consider moving to Ireland. Embarrassing display by almost everyone involved. I apologize if this is political but I assume it’s okay if I generally just say they’re all idiots on both sides. If Dean Wormer suspends me, I will dedicate my newfound free time to sneaking into the Luth to see what’s what.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 13, 2018 13:09:09 GMT -5
Behavior deteriorates dramatically when the hearings are broadcast as so many politicians are just interested in gaining further exposure for re-election purposes rather than trying to address the burning issues.
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Post by lou on Jul 13, 2018 15:27:35 GMT -5
Behavior deteriorates dramatically when the hearings are broadcast as so many politicians are just interested in gaining further exposure for re-election purposes rather than trying to address the burning issues. Maybe, but I heard comments afterwards that Strzok had been through the same thing, only for 11 hours the first time, in a closed door session. How much are we paying these people?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2018 15:44:32 GMT -5
...too much, IMHO!
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Post by HC92 on Jul 13, 2018 18:46:46 GMT -5
Behavior deteriorates dramatically when the hearings are broadcast as so many politicians are just interested in gaining further exposure for re-election purposes rather than trying to address the burning issues. Maybe, but I heard comments afterwards that Strzok had been through the same thing, only for 11 hours the first time, in a closed door session. How much are we paying these people? They’re getting PAID???
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 13, 2018 19:07:41 GMT -5
Except Gowdy, for example, is not running for re-election. I've only seen clips and so I will withhold judgement as to the presumed motives and antics of all involved. We may have been spoiled for 200+ years as lawmakers around the world are often seen physically attacking opponents and not just jousting verbally.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2018 19:54:36 GMT -5
Watching the Knesset in Tel Aviv can be better than MMA at times. That hasn't been seen in Congress in over a century...with the caning that almost killed one politician. Ah, the good old days.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 13, 2018 20:18:49 GMT -5
Agent Strzok’s already been fired by Mueller, ripped apart in the IG report, reassigned to an HR desk, and is facing internal FBI disciplinary charges. Add to that what must be going on in his home life (to put it very mildly) and the public spectacle yesterday and you almost feel sorry for the guy.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 13, 2018 20:53:11 GMT -5
Almost.......
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 13, 2018 21:02:18 GMT -5
Agent Strzok’s already been fired by Mueller, ripped apart in the IG report, reassigned to an HR desk, and is facing internal FBI disciplinary charges. Add to that what must be going on in his home life (to put it very mildly) and the public spectacle yesterday and you almost feel sorry for the guy. His apparent arrogance makes that hard to do.
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