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Post by HC92 on Aug 15, 2018 15:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Aug 15, 2018 15:19:10 GMT -5
This is the tweet that started the dialogue:
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 15, 2018 16:31:33 GMT -5
“Our teams do the best they can with they have and we move forward.”
Beyond being an incomplete sentence, this made me uncomfortable reading this thought.
If Nate is going to respond to something like this, which he certainly does not have to, at least come equipped with something thoughtful and good to say. Seems like he’s somehow bringing in a team’s performance into the conversation.
Maybe the basketball, hockey, and lacrosse team’s poor performances are because of his coaching hires more than anything else.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 15, 2018 17:24:59 GMT -5
Criticize his thought but not how he missed a word. There are much more famous people who mess up on Twitter and even get the wife's name wrong. But I do wonder what "a different agenda" means. At least now I know why he didn't respond to my inquiry about a bus to the BC game . . . . . he's too busy on Twitter.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 15, 2018 17:53:47 GMT -5
Bobby Mack is the name of the Yankees manager in the movie For Love of the Game. Vin Scully and Steve Lyons call out his name.
ADNP knows his sports trivia, that's a big money question on Jeopardy.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 15, 2018 19:07:34 GMT -5
Pine: "Different schools, different agendas". So what is the HC agenda?
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 15, 2018 19:52:45 GMT -5
Pine: "Different schools, different agendas". So what is the HC agenda? Education.....?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 15, 2018 20:06:23 GMT -5
To take that to extremes... HC = obtain an education, disarm all our symbols, not cause offense AF = obtain an education, learn to use weapons, not worry about "offending' the people they may some day bomb
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Post by matunuck on Aug 15, 2018 20:59:13 GMT -5
Pine: "Different schools, different agendas". So what is the HC agenda? To parrot the conventional PC line on just about everything.
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Post by hc87 on Aug 15, 2018 21:24:59 GMT -5
"Different schools, different agendas...same hockey league"
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Post by joe on Aug 16, 2018 7:19:39 GMT -5
“With what they have” sounds like HC is a little league team that barely has enough money to scrape together for a team bat. They “have” quite a lot, including a new 97 million dollar gym, no? I don’t really understand the remark as a whole, but perhaps that is because I have a zero social media accounts or experience and don’t get the discourse.
I’m glad we’re still Crusaders, disappointed we lost the knight and shield, but can live with it. Only thing I have an issue with is that there is now a void and no image to associate with HC sports other than an interlocking HC. I believe it’s time to get creative and find a new mascot. Maybe Barney the dinosaur is available. He doesn’t have much work these days and he’s big and cuddly and purple and doesn’t offend anyone who isn’t already extinct. Although if I were dinosaur it would probably irk me that the image infantilizes dinosaurs. And if I were a T. Rex specifically it would be even more upsetting.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 16, 2018 7:27:58 GMT -5
Don't know what uniforms they'll be sporting but Air Force opens this year against Stony Brook. If this year's Stony Brook plays like last year's Stony Brook it could be a very close game. Last year SBU opened the season v USF (Ranked 19 FBS at time) and were tied 17-17 in the 4th quarter (SBU eventually lost by two touchdowns). SBU plays Fordham game 3 this year (game 1 of a 4 game series) and it could get ugly for Fordham.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 16, 2018 8:04:51 GMT -5
"Bobby Mack" is an HC alum living in NY. Months ago he weighed in on the moniker / mascot decision, and Ryan Holt (remember him?) agreed with him. He also follows ADNP, which is probably why he got a return tweet, and HC MBB.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 16, 2018 8:57:13 GMT -5
I am Bobby Mack, FYI. Don't read the rest of my Twitter unless you want to see me bashing the dumb things the Yankees do on a nightly basis, like a man yelling at a cloud for rain.
I responded to Pine's reply: "True and may be my point. Air Force does what it feels it needs to do. HC on that decision bending to the will of the few. Noted on the institution and the players-- wish you all had more! '08"
I, too, thought the statement about "different agendas" was telling, and disappointing. To accept less than the best is different from striving towards it and falling short.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Aug 16, 2018 9:53:32 GMT -5
How far we have fallen... We beat Air Force at their place in 1978. I was unable to attend as I was on a training mission as a Lieutenant in the Marine Corps but my brother flew out to Colorado Springs to see the game. Wheelwright was our coach. It was a decisive victory, 35-18. Also, looking at the season's results 7-4 , started out fast but hit bumps later in the year by losing 4 in a row before stunning BC! Get back to that level!! www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/holy-cross/1978-schedule.html
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 16, 2018 9:56:35 GMT -5
I am Bobby Mack, FYI. Don't read the rest of my Twitter unless you want to see me bashing the dumb things the Yankees do on a nightly basis, like a man yelling at a cloud for rain. I responded to Pine's reply: "True and may be my point. Air Force does what it feels it needs to do. HC on that decision bending to the will of the few. Noted on the institution and the players-- wish you all had more! '08" I, too, thought the statement about "different agendas" was telling, and disappointing. To accept less than the best is different from striving towards it and falling short. I don't know if I'd read too deeply into the "different agendas" line. I think that's just Pine not knowing what he's talking about. Otherwise, I'd love to hear him give a detailed explanation on how the "agendas" of Holy Cross and Air Force have influenced their football uniforms.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Aug 16, 2018 10:02:26 GMT -5
Heck with this uniform contretemps. Get the dang team to start winning and destroying teams for a change...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 16, 2018 10:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Aug 16, 2018 10:43:11 GMT -5
I think he was trying to say he was stuck with that decision and didn't have any role in it. His choice (not very good, IMHO) of the words "do the best with what we have" aren't referring to resources.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 16, 2018 10:46:20 GMT -5
Bobby Mack is the name of the Yankees manager in the movie For Love of the Game. Vin Scully and Steve Lyons call out his name. ADNP knows his sports trivia, that's a big money question on Jeopardy. Whoever Bobby Mack is he's sure got his panties in a bunch over how the Yanquis are playing. I guess he's not buying the "they're built for the postseason" mantra.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 16, 2018 10:55:20 GMT -5
Agree Tim and BBC. One of the issues with twitter and trying to respond using it.
Agenda was a very poor choice of words. Suspect mission may have been his intent.
And definitely think he was saying it was a decision made above his level that we (our teams) are doing the best we can with.
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Post by Tom on Aug 16, 2018 11:23:39 GMT -5
Bobby Mack is the name of the Yankees manager in the movie For Love of the Game. Vin Scully and Steve Lyons call out his name. ADNP knows his sports trivia, that's a big money question on Jeopardy. Whoever Bobby Mack is he's sure got his panties in a bunch over how the Yanquis are playing. I guess he's not buying the "they're built for the postseason" mantra. Lots of people are upset that the Yankees are having a great season and are on a pace to win over 100 games. Like most people, I was hoping for 0-162, but that's just too much to reasonably hope for ------------------------------------------------------ While I agree with WCHC's sentiment that the school bent to "over the top sensitivity" of some people to the Crusader, I disagree with AD Pine and the entire concept of responding to a critical tweet at all - and certainly not with another tweet. It's like swinging at a ball in the dirt
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 16, 2018 11:34:31 GMT -5
Bobby Mack is the name of the Yankees manager in the movie For Love of the Game. Vin Scully and Steve Lyons call out his name. ADNP knows his sports trivia, that's a big money question on Jeopardy. Whoever Bobby Mack is he's sure got his panties in a bunch over how the Yanquis are playing. I guess he's not buying the "they're built for the postseason" mantra. I warned you!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 16, 2018 11:56:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately for HC, the branding iconography used with the Knight and the title of their newspaper “The Crusader” is being used by an Anti-Catholic fraternal organization that has a higher visability that HC on a national stage.
I saw it on buildboards in the 1960’s traveling in the southern US. It was disconcerting to see the image and the Crusader name associated with that group.
It is only one of the reasons that I would speculate that the decision was made to change the HC branding image.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 16, 2018 12:27:55 GMT -5
Maybe we could ask Georgetown what its agenda is by keeping the 'gray' in its school colors. The gray was chosen, by the students, in 1876. _________________________ James Ryder Randall, whose tenure as a student at Georgetown was long enough to characterize him as a perpetual student, was named after Rev. James Ryder, President of Holy Cross 1845-1848. Randall was so distressed by the death of a fellow Georgetown student in the Baltimore Riot of April 19 1861 (at the hands of the 6th Massachusetts Militia) that he wrote 'O Maryland, My Maryland', which was immediately set to music and became La Marseillais of the Confederacy.
The music was the Medieval German student song Lauriger Horatius
For those who have forgotten their Latin,
LAUREL-CROWNED Horatius, True, how true thy saying! Swift as wind flies over us Time, devouring, slaying. Where are, oh! those goblets full Of wine honey-laden, Strifes and loves and bountiful Lips of ruddy maiden? Grows the young grape tenderly, And the maid is growing; But the thirsty poet, see, Years on him are snowing! What’s the use on hoary curls Of the bays undying, If we may not kiss the girls, Drink while time’s a-flying?
The first two stanzas of Maryland, My Maryland
The despot's heel is on thy shore, Maryland! His torch is at thy temple door, Maryland! Avenge the patriotic gore That flecked the streets of Baltimore, And be the battle queen of yore, Maryland! My Maryland! II Hark to an exiled son's appeal, Maryland! My mother State! to thee I kneel, Maryland! For life and death, for woe and weal, Thy peerless chivalry reveal, And gird thy beauteous limbs with steel, Maryland! My Maryland! ____________________ The Holy Cross alma mater in 1928 Oh, hear thy sons in happy song, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross. Thy sons are loyal, true and strong, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross. Thy purple banner floats on high, While songs of praise swell to the sky Thy honored name shall never die, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross.
With pride we view thy stately walls, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross, Sweet mem'ries linger in thy halls, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross. The hill that slopes with gentle grace, The Blackstone gliding at its base, Make thee majestic, dear old place, Holy Cross, old Holy Cross.
The music for the HC alma mater was taken from what song? Aside from Lauriger, O Maryland, O Tannenbaum, there is also the anthem of the British Labour party and Irish socialists, -- the Red Flag, which was written by an Irish political activist in the late 19th Century.
_________________________ Georgetown's alma mater is set to Men of Harlech. A degree is warded to any student who can correctly sing the first stanza of the original, whether or not he/she completed any coursework.
Wele goelcerth wen yn fflamio A thafodau tân yn bloeddio Ar i'r dewrion ddod i daro, Unwaith eto'n un: Gan fanllefau'r tywysogion, Llais gelynion, trwst arfogion, A charlamiad y marchogion, Craig ar graig a gryn Arfon byth ni orfydd, Cenir yn dragywydd; Cymru fydd fel Cymru fu, Yn glodfawr ymysg gwledydd; 'Ngwyn oleuni'r goelcerth acw, Tros wefusau Cymro'n marw, Annibyniaeth sydd yn galw, Am ei dewraf ddyn.
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