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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 16:09:34 GMT -5
Dartmouth’s players are much better than HC’s players, offense, defense, and probably special teams, except for their place kicker. Schemes schmemes
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 22, 2018 16:18:17 GMT -5
Dartmouth’s players are much better than HC’s players, offense, defense, and probably special teams, except for their place kicker. Schemes schmemes Yeah, what’s the point of even having coaches anyway? Dartmouth was more talented and deeper than us. But in no way whatsoever was the gap even close to wide enough that we should have gone 3 quarters without a first down.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 22, 2018 16:22:14 GMT -5
Last year, in a game featuring many of these same players, HC had 394 total yards and Dartmouth 366. HC had 25 first downs, Dartmouth 19.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 16:25:29 GMT -5
Dartmouth’s players are much better than HC’s players, offense, defense, and probably special teams, except for their place kicker. Schemes schmemes Yeah, what’s the point of even having coaches anyway? Dartmouth was more talented and deeper than us. But in no way whatsoever was the gap even close to wide enough that we should have gone 3 quarters without a first down. So let’s get rid of the head coach who is ultimately responsible ? And I thought you had beeen a big supporter of Chesney ! How silly of me. It takes some time to rebuild, esp when you lose a QB like Pujals !
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Post by joe on Sept 22, 2018 16:29:56 GMT -5
Dartmouth D was flying to the ball as if they knew the plays. I suspect with 3 games of tape, the element of surprise is no longer in our favor. Dartmouth had us scouted and beat before the coin toss (which was done by John Mahoney who has had season tickets since the early 50s, a really great guy). Welcome to D1 football, new coaching staff.
I’m hopefully we’ll get there under Chesney. Expect some big ups and big downs. And take solace because Dartmouth is a very solid team.
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Post by crusader12 on Sept 22, 2018 16:29:58 GMT -5
Today’s game was a complete disaster on every side of the ball. It seemed like players we’re more focused on the black uniforms than the actual game. Have to be much better and block out all the other distractions like these awful uniforms.
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Post by gks on Sept 22, 2018 16:30:22 GMT -5
Phreek....last year HC had a quarterback who was invited to an NFL camp. That's why you had well over 300 total yards. This team HAS NO QB.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 22, 2018 16:30:50 GMT -5
Yeah, what’s the point of even having coaches anyway? Dartmouth was more talented and deeper than us. But in no way whatsoever was the gap even close to wide enough that we should have gone 3 quarters without a first down. So let’s get rid of the head coach who is ultimately responsible ? And I thought you had beeen a big supporter of Chesney ! How silly of me. It takes some time to rebuild, esp when you lose a QB like Pujals ! I am a big supporter of Chesney, and also think the Defensive Coordinator could be a great hire. The Offensive Coordinator appears to be in completely over his head. And Pujals was not actually as great as some have claimed. The drop off to these next guys should not be so severe. We definitely need an injection of talent at QB, but it’s inexcusable to be this poor with our passing game given the group of WRs we have.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 16:35:21 GMT -5
In which game has the defense looked good ?
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Post by timholycross on Sept 22, 2018 16:41:20 GMT -5
Yeah, what’s the point of even having coaches anyway? Dartmouth was more talented and deeper than us. But in no way whatsoever was the gap even close to wide enough that we should have gone 3 quarters without a first down. So let’s get rid of the head coach who is ultimately responsible ? And I thought you had beeen a big supporter of Chesney ! How silly of me. It takes some time to rebuild, esp when you lose a QB like Pujals ! It's Pine's fault because Chesney wasn't hired right away!
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Post by joutsHC77 on Sept 22, 2018 16:42:34 GMT -5
Watching ‘bama game now. Do our coaches ever watch top flight programs to get offensive/defensive play ideas? ‘bout time they did.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 22, 2018 16:46:53 GMT -5
Defense was awful (until Dartmouth called off the dogs midway thru the 3rd quarter up 27-0). Probably more a talent than a scheme issue. As far as QB’s go, Pujals was definitely an above average PL QB. Clifford and Wade are middling (at best) PL QB’s. No real speed and no particular arm strength or touch for either of them. No speed at RB today.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 22, 2018 17:03:42 GMT -5
In which game has the defense looked good ? They allowed 17 points against the PL favorite, including one touchdown on a very quick drive after an offensive turnover around midfield. They allowed 21 points against defending Ivy champ Yale, including one one-play touchdown drive after an offensive turnover on the HC side of midfield. Today, they kept us in the game for nearly the entire first half despite two turnovers and as lopsided a time of possession difference as you could possibly have. Are they the 85 Bears? No, but they have shown significant improvement over recent HC defenses and flashes of what could be a very good defense once Chesney gets recruits in that fit what he wants to do. The offense has looked like a dumpster fire.
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 22, 2018 17:19:03 GMT -5
Feeling the loss of Liam Coen. I believe we have a lot more offensive threats than what we're currently leveraging with this offensive strategy.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 22, 2018 17:20:32 GMT -5
Yale piled on 500+ yards v HC. We DID win in OT. But that is not good D. It is possible we were poor on BOTH O and D today.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 22, 2018 17:22:32 GMT -5
Despite our hope the record and performance would be better, I am actually very happy with the play on defense and special teams. Offense needs more quickness and speed to extend the field and that will come. Perhaps we have that with Bruno and Oliver and at some point this fall they need to get more touches.
My best guess is that with Cozier absent from the lineup most program would shut this offense down. While he might?? have changed the flow today(not the outcome) of the game today, we have many miles to go before coaches, players, parents and alums will feel as if we arrived. , Looking ahead I still see 5-6 Ws
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 22, 2018 17:33:55 GMT -5
Phreek....last year HC had a quarterback who was invited to an NFL camp. That's why you had well over 300 total yards. This team HAS NO QB. Wade started for PP in five games two years ago. He even had a higher efficiency rating than PP that season. Has HC yet run a play with a two back set? What about a gimmick play with Bell in the backfield? As I have said before, I give Chesney pretty much of a pass re: the offense this year because the OC he had hired decamped for the NFL. How much of a pass that turns out to be will depend on whether there is any imagination to the offense in the remaining games... The Dartmouth OC was previously a QB and a WR coach at Cal Berkeley. I don't see him exuberantly tweeting about spreading and shredding defenses.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 22, 2018 17:49:49 GMT -5
The best QB on the roster is playing WR. This tells you everything you need to know.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 17:56:33 GMT -5
Dartmouth’s players are much better than HC’s players, offense, defense, and probably special teams, except for their place kicker. Schemes schmemes Wrong.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 17:58:44 GMT -5
Proof ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 18:04:28 GMT -5
In which game has the defense looked good ? Colgate, last three quarters of the Yale game, and for most of the first half today. Offense has been an absolute disaster. We have had 37 drives this year (not counting the BC game) and 21 have ended in a punt, eight in a turnover, eight in a score -- that's also factoring in two garbage touchdowns against Dartmouth. I think Chesney should consider taking the play calling privileges away from Murphy.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 22, 2018 18:14:57 GMT -5
Told my fellow Crossporters that as soon as I got home, I would post that this dumpster fire was due to the stupid, STUPID black uniforms. While I admit to superstitions, I am only partially kidding. I honestly can't think of a football or basketball game in which we won wearing non-school color uniforms. By the way, they are atrocious looking and my theory was that the aluminum-looking fringes were designed to blind the opposition. I will agree that Dartmouth surprised me and how easily they handled us. Field position was lopsided and helped account for the one-sided first down margin and time of possession. Seemed especially in the first half that Dartmouth was starting regularly on their 35, 40 or even better yard line and we were often starting on the 10, 15 and certainly inside our 25 yard line. It appeared from the get-go that Dartmouth had us scouted and wish I could say the same for us. In the first half, especially in the first quarter, our defense did outstandingly well by bending and not breaking. Down 6-0, we pretty much agreed that we could/should have been down 28-0. Having seen purported pre-season favorite Yale, Dartmouth is better and a lot stronger. Watched last quarter of the Harvard-Brown game. Neither team looked as good as Dartmouth this afternoon. I, too, would have liked to see Degenhardt get some reps as the game spun out of control but I think I understand why. I'm told he has a great arm, the quintessential pocket passer. The downside is he is also supposedly very immobile and would be a sitting duck. Wade is much more mobile and while he surprises occasionally with some outstanding passes, he's nothing if not inconsistent. My rap on him is he still telegraphs his passes which makes him very prone to interceptions. I understand that Cozier couldn't play but, sorry, that does not excuse not one first down through 3 quarters. The play calling is atrocious. I would have put Oliver and Bruno in sooner in the game. It seems only Oliver can still make positive yardage after getting hit. The 2 Dartmouth RBs were something like 5'10" and 5'11" but 210 and 215 lbs. Oliver is close and maybe will get bigger but I am still looking for the 220 lb RB we've never been able to land. NAD reported watching Ng practicing 50 yard FGs. But we never once until the 4th quarter got anywhere within his long-range. Four games into the season and our first half play in each and every one has been essentially spot the opponents 3 touchdown leads and then try to catch up. While I have been impressed with the team's 2nd half conditioning, especially with the defense, today was too much. The defense must have been totally gassed. We were outcoached today. Leaving on a positive note, how 'bout that onside kick? Not quite as perfect as last week, but I'll take it.
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 22, 2018 18:17:55 GMT -5
Dartmouth is bigger, faster, quicker and stronger than HC..Plus they are a much more veteran team...HC looked and played like an inexperienced group of young footballers..Which is what they are...There was a good reason Dartmouth pummeled Georgetown last week, they are a very good team!
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Post by timholycross on Sept 22, 2018 18:21:25 GMT -5
The best QB on the roster is playing WR. This tells you everything you need to know. He did not play well at QB, Wade played better with the same talent surrounding him. And he was and is needed elsewhere, to his credit he's made the best of his playing time opportunities. If every decision Gilmore made was equivalent to that one, he'd still be the coach.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 22, 2018 18:29:57 GMT -5
Hmm, is this an example of "damning with faint praise?"
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