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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 22, 2018 18:40:13 GMT -5
The best QB on the roster is playing WR. This tells you everything you need to know. You need to go back and see the passing data when he was playing QB. His numbers were not good. Wade, in my opinion, is a much, much better QB than Blaise Bell. Someone made the suggestion that Peter Pujals was not that good, implying, I think, that we should not be missing him that much. I disagree--I think he was a real difference maker both passing and running. Finally, I disagree with the suggestion that we have a great WR corps--I think we have some good ones (and I reaaly like the potential of Ayeni and Gilliam) but I think we really miss Jake W and Kalif. I think they'd be easily the two best WRs on this team.
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Post by deep Purple on Sept 22, 2018 18:51:11 GMT -5
PP had Flaherty, Wiz and Raymond. All three were better than any wr on the current roster.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Sept 22, 2018 19:03:26 GMT -5
Just saw Old Dominion’s QB passed for 495 yds in their upset victory over Virginia Tech. Several years ago, they were in the FCS. I guess it can be done if you pass the dang ball accurately. Memo to OC and Chesney: watch HC’s game tapes from Duffner years to learn how to diversify the offense.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 19:05:45 GMT -5
In which game has the defense looked good ? Colgate, last three quarters of the Yale game, and for most of the first half today. Offense has been an absolute disaster. We have had 37 drives this year (not counting the BC game) and 21 have ended in a punt, eight in a turnover, eight in a score -- that's also factoring in two garbage touchdowns against Dartmouth. I think Chesney should consider taking the play calling privileges away from Murphy. I do not know the breakdown in quarters, but Yale gained 510yards for the game and I think the first quarter counted. “For most of the first half today “ again I do not know the breakdown, but Dartmouth gained 448 yds., most of which was before they called off the dogs and subbed liberally. Why is most of the first half more significant than the rest of the game ? we agree that the offense has been disastrous, but the D has not been good.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 19:10:51 GMT -5
When the offense can’t get one first down for the first 50 minutes of a game and the defense is left on the field for 40+ minutes of the game, the opposition is going to get theirs. Simple.
It also doesn’t help the offense / special teams left the Dartmouth offense with short fields to work with on many of their drives — when you can’t get a first down, that will happen.
Unsure if you watched today’s game or not, but our defense was stout for the first 25 minutes of the first half, and then just got worn down. For some context, Dartmouth ran 44 plays and scored just six points before breaking through with a TD at 5:42 of the second quarter.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 19:20:22 GMT -5
SoV, I watched the first 3 quarters The D in the red zone in the first quarter was very good. It was not good outside of that. The offense was bad, but the D gave up many yards and thus field position even when Dartmouth missed 2 easy field goals, thus preventing our offense from having any decent field position to start drives. Again we agree about the putrid offense, but the defense was not good, even considering they were on the field so much. They could have limited this time on the field if they could have stopped the constant long drives.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 19:34:00 GMT -5
Why would the field position for the offense have mattered when we couldn’t get a first down? Doesn’t matter whether we are at our own 20 or midfield, the offensive coordinator really failed us.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 19:41:44 GMT -5
Play selection is at least partly determined by field position. A team does not have as much variety of plays at their own 20, as at midfield. Then we could not get a first down and Dartmouth had good field position frequently.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 19:42:45 GMT -5
Blaming the offense’s ineptitude on the defense is an all time spinzone.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 22, 2018 19:44:01 GMT -5
The best QB on the roster is playing WR. This tells you everything you need to know. You need to go back and see the passing data when he was playing QB. His numbers were not good. Wade, in my opinion, is a much, much better QB than Blaise Bell. Someone made the suggestion that Peter Pujals was not that good, implying, I think, that we should not be missing him that much. I disagree--I think he was a real difference maker both passing and running. Finally, I disagree with the suggestion that we have a great WR corps--I think we have some good ones (and I reaaly like the potential of Ayeni and Gilliam) but I think we really miss Jake W and Kalif. I think they'd be easily the two best WRs on this team. IMO it’s tough to say a QB is a real difference maker with a career W-L record like Pujals. Good, not great QB. I think Bell, Ayeni, and DiNicola could certainly could be as good of a 1-3 wise receiver group as we’ve had in a while, but it’s impossible to say due to inept play calling and sub-par QB play to date.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 22, 2018 19:45:53 GMT -5
I will start being more critical of the defense when the offense gives them a rest, occasionally.
First half possession times HC
2:37; 0:22; 1:38: 2:47; 1:51; 0:31 [Colgate 24 - HC 0] ______________________ 3:32; 1:49; 1:50; 2:15; 1:50; 1:25; 1:27; 1:48: 0:25 [BC 34 - HC 0] _____________________ 1:32; 3:32; 2:05(TD); 1:21(TD); 1:37; 3:04; 0:49 [Yale 28 - HC 14 ____________________ 0:13; 2:02; 1:19; 0:45; 1:56; 1:05; 0:02 [Dartmouth 20 - HC 0]
First Half Scoring Opponents 106 -- HC 14 (two HC scores in 29 possessions) Longest HC drive in the first half based on time of possession: 3:32 twice.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 22, 2018 19:46:07 GMT -5
SoV, It is not a blame. Ask I have written three times, the offense was atrocious, but the defense did not help. ‘ Counter the argument instead of making inaccurate interpretations.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 22, 2018 19:49:48 GMT -5
Already countered.
PP illustrates the point I made before very well with those offensive “drives.”
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 22, 2018 20:16:12 GMT -5
If Coach Chesney is astute, he will be looking for a QB currently playing at a FBS level program looking to transfer and will be eligible for the 2019 season.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 22, 2018 20:20:37 GMT -5
Hey, how about that great onside kick?!!!
P.S. Blaise Bell is a fine receiver. So is Martin Dorsey. So is Richie DeNicola. So is frosh Spenser Gilliam. I am not comparing them to past HC receivers but I am saying that their abilities are not the issue.
And, while not making excuses for Geoff telegraphing his passes as I do think he needs to look off some defenders, certainly a consideration has to be the pressure he was under from the opponent's pass rush. He's had to do a lot of scrambling like Pujals often had to do with a larger, more experienced line protecting him. And, frankly, he's not as good as Peter was. That's not a knock on Geoff.
Here's the thing about our defense today compared to against Yale and Colgate (excluding BC, of course) - the Dartmouth QB was not pressured. Seemed to me that we were often rushing 3 down linemen and not blitzing much at all. Presumably, the idea was to have flexibility against Dartmouth's options. But, when that wasn't working, perhaps a change of strategy might have helped?
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 22, 2018 20:32:25 GMT -5
Time of possession today was almost exactly 2:1 in Dartmouth's favor (39:34 to 20:26).
Here's our drive chart numbers:
1st half 2 plays, 0 yards (interception) 4 plays, 5 yards (punt) 2 plays, 5 yards (punt) 2 plays, 0 yards (interception) 3 plays, 9 yards (punt) 3 plays, 7 yards (punt) 1 play, 0 yards (interception)
2nd half 3 plays, 9 yards (punt) 3 plays, 3 yards (punt) 3 plays, 2 yards (punt) 2 plays, 77 yards (TD) 11 plays, 26 yards (interception) 14 plays, 77 yards (TD)
I'm sorry hoops, as I said at the game, "the defense should sue the offense for 'lack of support.'" You simply cannot hang this loss on the defense. They bent but did not break for an exhausting first half.
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 22, 2018 20:33:35 GMT -5
Told my fellow Crossporters that as soon as I got home, I would post that this dumpster fire was due to the stupid, STUPID black uniforms. While I admit to superstitions, I am only partially kidding. I honestly can't think of a football or basketball game in which we won wearing non-school color uniforms. By the way, they are atrocious looking and my theory was that the aluminum-looking fringes were designed to blind the opposition. I will agree that Dartmouth surprised me and how easily they handled us. Field position was lopsided and helped account for the one-sided first down margin and time of possession. Seemed especially in the first half that Dartmouth was starting regularly on their 35, 40 or even better yard line and we were often starting on the 10, 15 and certainly inside our 25 yard line. It appeared from the get-go that Dartmouth had us scouted and wish I could say the same for us. In the first half, especially in the first quarter, our defense did outstandingly well by bending and not breaking. Down 6-0, we pretty much agreed that we could/should have been down 28-0. Having seen purported pre-season favorite Yale, Dartmouth is better and a lot stronger. Watched last quarter of the Harvard-Brown game. Neither team looked as good as Dartmouth this afternoon. I, too, would have liked to see Degenhardt get some reps as the game spun out of control but I think I understand why. I'm told he has a great arm, the quintessential pocket passer. The downside is he is also supposedly very immobile and would be a sitting duck. Wade is much more mobile and while he surprises occasionally with some outstanding passes, he's nothing if not inconsistent. My rap on him is he still telegraphs his passes which makes him very prone to interceptions. I understand that Cozier couldn't play but, sorry, that does not excuse not one first down through 3 quarters. The play calling is atrocious. I would have put Oliver and Bruno in sooner in the game. It seems only Oliver can still make positive yardage after getting hit. The 2 Dartmouth RBs were something like 5'10" and 5'11" but 210 and 215 lbs. Oliver is close and maybe will get bigger but I am still looking for the 220 lb RB we've never been able to land. NAD reported watching Ng practicing 50 yard FGs. But we never once until the 4th quarter got anywhere within his long-range. Four games into the season and our first half play in each and every one has been essentially spot the opponents 3 touchdown leads and then try to catch up. While I have been impressed with the team's 2nd half conditioning, especially with the defense, today was too much. The defense must have been totally gassed. We were outcoached today. Leaving on a positive note, how 'bout that onside kick? Not quite as perfect as last week, but I'll take it. If you’re looking for a win in non-school colors, look no further than UNH last year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 22, 2018 20:34:50 GMT -5
I think Dartmouth's o-line and d-line were excellent. It seemed to me that their running backs had some nice holes to run through while ours did not.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 22, 2018 20:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 22, 2018 20:40:12 GMT -5
I must have been too stunned by the results to have remembered that. That said, black as a uniform color stinks unless you are Army West Point.
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Post by thecrossisback on Sept 22, 2018 21:46:56 GMT -5
First game I have ever left early. Left in the middle of the 4th. What a joke. They made Dartmouth defense look like the 85 bears. Not one first down in three quarters. Burn the playbook written in crayon for that game. Black uniforms, the team was more hyped up for the reveal than that game. Dartmouth is a good team, but 34-14 was embarrassing. The 7,000 plus had nothing to cheer about. Just sad. Just came out flat, bad game for the team to not show up for at all.
Well on to Bucknell. Better destroy them.
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Post by trimster on Sept 22, 2018 21:53:17 GMT -5
First game I have ever left early. Left in the middle of the 4th. What a joke. They made Dartmouth defense look like the 85 bears. Not one first down in three quarters. Burn the playbook written in crayon for that game. Black uniforms, the team was more hyped up for the reveal than that game. Dartmouth is a good team, but 34-14 was embarrassing. The 7,000 plus had nothing to cheer about. Just sad. Just came out flat, bad game for the team to not show up for at all. Well on to Bucknell. Better destroy them. I arrived at Fitton at half time. Lots of people were leaving. Not good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 21:58:24 GMT -5
I know our social media accounts are trying to error on the side of being positive, however, posts like these really annoy me. We were down 34-0 against DARTMOUTH at HOME and we are talking about defensive stats? I am a big fan of Ryan Brady, however, I just wish our social media managers had some awareness.
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 22, 2018 22:23:32 GMT -5
Kudos to Dartmouth recruiting, especially with PL schollies. They were bigger, faster, stronger, and we needed a near perfect game to win me thinks. Let's hope we are there in a year
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Post by hc87 on Sept 22, 2018 22:35:17 GMT -5
The Ivies in general probably haven't been this good/talented overall (respective to other D1 programs) since maybe the early 1970s. They have really ramped up their recruiting the last 5 or so years and are very deep with FBS-type quality at some positions.
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