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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 26, 2019 9:56:02 GMT -5
Well I'm sure glad we beat Southern. They were a pretty good team as I recall. Please no stats on how un-good they were... They DID beat an unaccredited bible school by over 100 points that year and set the NCAA record for consecutive points scored to open a game, 44-0 I think. There’s a stat that goes in their favor.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2019 10:00:47 GMT -5
Well I'm sure glad we beat Southern. They were a pretty good team as I recall. Please no stats on how un-good they were... Definitely were not a pretty good team. About half of the Patriot League that season were better than Southern.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 26, 2019 10:31:28 GMT -5
No argument--I did not suggest that we beat a John Wooden UCLA squad, only that I enjoyed that win more than the close loss to the very good Marquette team.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2019 10:36:24 GMT -5
That comparison is your opinion, but IMHO a silly one. Winning against a league champion in the NCAA (granted, the "first four") is better tan any regular season win of MB's teams.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2019 10:38:05 GMT -5
Losses to Kentucky, Kansas, and Marquette were better showings and more satisfying than a win over Southern and 40 point loss to Oregon. If you are more "satisfied" with a loss than with a win, then your statement is more a reflection of your opinion of BC than anything like an objective assessment.
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Post by Tom on Jan 26, 2019 11:02:31 GMT -5
Especially the Kentucky game, but for most of the game, I enjoyed the near misses more than Southern. That feeling of OMG, we could pull off something special. I felt better walking out of the Southern watch party than I did walking out of Nassau Coliseum.
In hindsight I feel like the Kentucky/Kansas/Marquette games were more impressive on a resume than Southern. Yup it's in the record books and the Southern win counts as a tournament win, but in my heart, it isn't that much different than the Lehigh game during that run. Still nice and enjoyable. Just another viewpoint on some highlights of 21st century HC hoops
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 26, 2019 11:15:04 GMT -5
Losses to Kentucky, Kansas, and Marquette were better showings and more satisfying than a win over Southern and 40 point loss to Oregon. If you are more "satisfied" with a loss than with a win, then your statement is more a reflection of your opinion of BC than anything like an objective assessment. The arbiter on objectivity has spoken. What’s your agenda, SOV? Because you surely must have an agenda if you aren’t satisfied with a coach who is below .500 over his last 18 seasons.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 26, 2019 11:17:11 GMT -5
That comparison is your opinion, but IMHO a silly one. Winning against a league champion in the NCAA (granted, the "first four") is better tan any regular season win of MB's teams. Why is Milan Brown the comparison? Why set the bar so low? The man doesn't have a .500 career winning percentage. Holy Cross fans should have their eyes set on what Bucknell is currently doing and not settle for anything less.
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Post by alum on Jan 26, 2019 11:21:26 GMT -5
Well I'm sure glad we beat Southern. They were a pretty good team as I recall. Please no stats on how un-good they were... Definitely were not a pretty good team. About half of the Patriot League that season were better than Southern. True but based upon the regular season about 80 percent of the PL were better than HC that year
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2019 11:22:09 GMT -5
Take it easy with that explanation, Tom. You may be putting many brains in pretzels around these parts.
I know, it’s so crazy to think that taking a Final Four team (Marquette) down to the final minutes was better than beating the #229 team in the country in the Play-In game. I must have it out for Carmody!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2019 11:23:52 GMT -5
If you are more "satisfied" with a loss than with a win, then your statement is more a reflection of your opinion of BC than anything like an objective assessment. The arbiter on objectivity has spoken. What’s your agenda, SOV? Because you surely must have an agenda if you aren’t satisfied with a coach who is below .500 over his last 18 seasons. Leading #1 Kansas at the half and being within a couple of possessions in the final two minutes of the game was better than beating Southern and losing by 40 to Oregon. There, I said it!
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 27, 2019 6:17:43 GMT -5
As the old Doublemint gum commercial used to say: "STOP! You're both right!"
When RW's teams took Kansas, Kentucky and Marquette to the wire, there was a lot of buzz with the experts about Holy Cross almost pulling off outstanding upsets and how Ralph was outcoaching the opposing coaches. It was a heady time to be a Holy Cross basketball fan. But we fell short. It did solidify that playing Holy Cross, no matter who we played, the opponent might win but it'd be a "tough out" and any loss of focus by them might well mean a major upset. There was a fear of having to play Holy Cross.
CWC's magic run, including beating Southern in the "First Four" game also caused a buzz and still does. No one in the basketball world equates that run the same as if we had beaten any of the teams Ralph lost but almost won. But there is almost unanimous wonderment of not having won a PL regular season away game and then in the tournament doing it time after time, after time, after time, after . . . . Beating Southern was icing on the cake. You'll often hear announcers say that run was "something we'll never see again." Yes, buzz, perhaps a little less loud, about Holy Cross basketball.
This is a bit like which was the greater championship, the NCAA or the NIT?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 30, 2019 21:29:10 GMT -5
It's time to restart things, once again. Need a new coach.
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Post by letsgohc on Jan 30, 2019 22:17:56 GMT -5
This must be his last year. If not, only logical explanation is that Carmody has photos of HC trustees dressed as Little Bo Peep.
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Post by letsgohc on Feb 20, 2019 9:00:58 GMT -5
This post is from the BU #2 game. If MB with a better record and less scandals than Carmody, was forced out, then Carmody must be done at HC.
: Through 69 PL regular season games, Carmody is 27-42.
In Milan Brown’s first 69 games, he was 35-34.
Our average Pomeroy rank through Milan’s first four seasons was 211.5.
For Carmody to date, it’s 256.25.
Milan Brown was definitely a better coach at HC.
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2019 9:14:13 GMT -5
This post is from the BU #2 game. If MB with a better record and less scandals than Carmody, was forced out, then Carmody must be done at HC. : Through 69 PL regular season games, Carmody is 27-42. In Milan Brown’s first 69 games, he was 35-34. Our average Pomeroy rank through Milan’s first four seasons was 211.5. For Carmody to date, it’s 256.25. Milan Brown was definitely a better coach at HC. At this point in the Coach Brown tenure, he was 0-3 in PLT quarter-finals. Coach Carmody is 2-1. Just one metric that points the other way For what it's worth, Coach Brown wasn't forced out until after his 5th year. Nice data points can make all kinds of arguments. In my opinion, any decision about a potential coaching change should be about Coach Carmody's success/failure vs program goals, not how he compares to Coach Brown or Doggie Julian
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 20, 2019 9:53:18 GMT -5
history repeating???
After 5 yrs a new AD decided to move on from the incumbent coach It appears that we may be on a similar track.
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Post by hceconhist on Feb 20, 2019 15:49:31 GMT -5
This post is from the BU #2 game. If MB with a better record and less scandals than Carmody, was forced out, then Carmody must be done at HC. : Through 69 PL regular season games, Carmody is 27-42. In Milan Brown’s first 69 games, he was 35-34. Our average Pomeroy rank through Milan’s first four seasons was 211.5. For Carmody to date, it’s 256.25. Milan Brown was definitely a better coach at HC. At this point in the Coach Brown tenure, he was 0-3 in PLT quarter-finals. Coach Carmody is 2-1. Just one metric that points the other way For what it's worth, Coach Brown wasn't forced out until after his 5th year. Nice data points can make all kinds of arguments. In my opinion, any decision about a potential coaching change should be about Coach Carmody's success/failure vs program goals, not how he compares to Coach Brown or Doggie Julian Your point about the PL tournament is well-taken. However, I believe Coach Carmody is at the same, most important point as Coach Brown was in his last year: there is only one year left on the contract (this is my understanding; I could be wrong). Given the importance of the head coach's contract in recruiting, it is fair to say a decision needs to be made sooner than later. That decision needs to be based on two factors: (1) the program's goals, and (2) the likelihood of the individual at hand to lead the program towards such goals. Coach Brown and Coach Carmody were given the same goal - elevate HC MBB back to the PL top - but started at different baselines (no matter where you stand on Coach Brown's on-the-court results, he deserves immense credit for steadying the program). I do not believe it is fair to FADNP's permanent successor to make such a decision before the hire, so I hope it is made very soon.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 20, 2019 15:55:21 GMT -5
A thoughtful first post.
Welcome to the board, econhist.
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