|
Post by longsuffering on Aug 31, 2019 19:11:01 GMT -5
A good question now is after getting this experience is CD a better bet than any other QB against UNH? Any other QB, other than Clifford, would have to experience their first game learning curve against a CAA program.
Perhaps start CD against Murderer's Row the first four games and if he isn't making steady progress, try the first year guys against PL level competition. Maybe insert Clifford if CD consistently throws behind receivers on short passes.
|
|
|
Post by efg72 on Aug 31, 2019 19:13:28 GMT -5
Hard to judge based on a Navy or Syracuse. They each have the ability on both sides, but especially defensively, to speed up the game
|
|
|
Post by purplepig on Aug 31, 2019 19:31:47 GMT -5
First game and versus a superior opponent, lots of nerves early, this does not mean a lot. I hope! Really, FCS versus FBS matchups are not my idea of good contests. Chesney will make the most of this experience.
|
|
|
Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 31, 2019 19:34:18 GMT -5
In sports I believe leagues are important but not critical to developing a program and winning tradition and culture. The right staff, perhaps Chesney and Nelson, can make a mark, regardless of the Patriot League, and make both programs respected and highly regarded by future recruits Whether the Board and Administration allows it to be is sustainable is unknown but time will tell. PL football is an abject disaster right now.....be very interesting what it does moving forward. Possible 0-7 today with W&M pulling away from Lafayette. Fordham-CCSU hangs in balance meaning an 0-2 start against the mighty NEC is on the table.
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Aug 31, 2019 19:38:45 GMT -5
/\ Fordham down 7 in the 4th. What would be worse, 0-2 v mighty NEC or 0-1 v PFL? Patriot could be both today. Go Fordham!
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Aug 31, 2019 19:52:20 GMT -5
0-2 vs NEC is twice as bad as 0-1 vs PFL. NEC is the league HC is in when you and a Jesuit who died twenty years ago are the only fans at Fitton Field both helplessly yelling No! No! No! and then you wake up and realize it was a nightmare.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:54:34 GMT -5
Navy is an AWFUL FBS team. How about a bet on where Navy finishes this year? We could wager $$$ (I’ll give you odds) but maybe another type of bet would be more appropriate. If Navy finishes in bottom 10 of FBS teams we will acknowledge that you are a football expert. If Navy does not finish in bottom 10 of FBS you will acknowledge that you are a blowhard What do you think? There are 130 FBS teams these days, so saying they will finish 120 out of 130 is a little ridiculous. We all have different definitions of what "awful" is, but I can't see them breaking Top 75 out of 130. These days there are schools in the FBS, that are really FCS quality (UMASS, etc)
|
|
|
Post by gks on Aug 31, 2019 19:58:26 GMT -5
When you have no quarterback you can't hang in there against FBS. With Pujals (5th yr senior) HC competed and almost beat UConn. QB play will be an albatross this season. Not getting Perry as a transfer will be a killer...at least early.
|
|
|
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 31, 2019 20:00:20 GMT -5
Okay---I was just trying to help you support your point that Navy was possibly the worst team in FBS. Good to see you backtracking now.
#75, by definition, would be an average FBS team.
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Aug 31, 2019 20:05:20 GMT -5
Fordham loses to CCSU. (Fordham did lose to CCSU last year also so I don't think this was an upset at all). 2 Losses to the NEC and 1 loss to the Pioneer Football League among the 0-7 Patriot League day.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 20:29:15 GMT -5
Okay---I was just trying to help you support your point that Navy was possibly the worst team in FBS. Good to see you backtracking now. #75, by definition, would be an average FBS team. After going through the entire FBS roster which now includes (UMASS, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, WKU, and other teams that have no business being there), I will say that Navy will be right around 100 out of 130. Considering some of these teams that are in the FBS these days, that is pretty awful to me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 20:31:41 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Aug 31, 2019 20:34:55 GMT -5
Fordham loses to CCSU. Very tough day for the PL. (Fordham did lose to CCSU last year also so I don't think this was an upset at all) Very tough day for my pick 'em poll standings also. The restrictions the PL places on it's football teams are self-defeating imo because any small benefit to the overall mission of the schools is outweighed by building brand awareness of weak teams from a weak conference. There aren't too many departments of a college that get on national television and on national websites like football and basketball teams do.
|
|
|
Post by Ignutz on Aug 31, 2019 20:52:43 GMT -5
Looking at how PL teams are doing, we will end up at least 7-4. We'll be lucky to win an OOC game imo....I think we'll steal one and stick with my 5-7 Due to family obligations, I saw very little of the second half. Obviously, we need to improve in a number of areas, but other than ‘Cuse, I see us being very competitive in the other OOC games. And based on the PL results from the first two weeks, I see our Crusaders very much in the PLC discussion. As I noted after our score, the game could have easily been 17-14 at the half, and certainly 17-10. (Of course, the Mids’ drive that followed our TD made things a bit different.) While UNH has seen us play, they’ll likely have some first game/on the road jitters and rust to work through. I’ll bet that if we win the toss at Fitton next Saturday, HCBC elects to receive. I see us at .500 going into the open weekend, and then to New Haven.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 21:08:56 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 31, 2019 21:37:26 GMT -5
I couldn’t even read after the 7th page. So much hype for Chesney who has accomplished nothing. Wins would denote turning the program around. 0-1.
|
|
|
Post by timholycross on Aug 31, 2019 21:42:32 GMT -5
Seems like the posters have placed a lot more focus on CDs struggles and very little on the OL play which IMHO was not very good. Tough for a veteran never mind a rookie to run efficient plays when seemingly the Middies got to him as quickly as the snaps did. Plus way too many snaps themselves sucked.
|
|
|
Post by hc6774 on Sept 1, 2019 6:29:04 GMT -5
55 played...
how many others traveled?
|
|
|
Post by hc80 on Sept 1, 2019 6:59:27 GMT -5
Was at the game; and without even commenting on the game, what a great game day experience. The march in of the Brigade, the National Anthem, the fly over - what a spectacular treat. The facility is great; nice parking lot for tailgating (we purchased a parking pass on StubHub) - and we took a tour in the morning of the Academy. As Americans, we should all be very proud of the men and women at the Academy and the Academy itself - truly awesome!
Now for the game, clearly the QB still needs some work - but I kept trying to remember that he had not played a meaningful down of football since 2016....he has a strong arm - but sometimes threw it too hard and was so anxious short armed it. And while I appreciate that the center position is difficult especially when the defense is showing and sending two guys through the A gap, for crying out loud get the snap right!
I am going ignore the number of points we gave up -- first, the second half got out of control early in the third quarter but it was exceptionally disappointing to give up 7 points after cutting the margin to 10 at 17-7.
But my biggest gripe is with the Offensive Coordinator and this is the same crap from last year. Holy Cross gets the ball, 1st and 10. Shotgun formation, single set back, twins right split left. And, wait for it...... inside hand-off to the back, loss or no yardage...2nd and long.... first 5 possessions...of course, one other time we had a back run the outside route for a swing pass..... got blown up....Frankly, if we are going to lose to Navy - fine, I get it....but give the kids a chance. 2nd and long every time because we insist on the inside handoff on the RPO crap just takes the life out of everything....If you want to run the ball on first down, run it like you mean it.... tight end, QB under center, lead blocker....
Biggest key to future success -- get yardage on first down - once that happens, you get to dictate rather than the defense dictating...and every long down situation, Navy overloaded one side and came with blitzes.... could we roll the pocket away from the pressure and have a few quick crosses or rolls.....
There is enough talent to run the PL -- and give the Ivies a battle... but do we have an OC that can get the offense into a position -- 2nd and long is a loser...
My rant is over.... onto to UNH
|
|
|
Post by Ignutz on Sept 1, 2019 7:27:26 GMT -5
Okay, gridders, the monkey is off the HC back. With a first place finish in a cross-country event (with UNH & Providence), the Crusaders finally have their first win if the 2019-20 campaign. (Having been 0-7-1 until this win.) Let’s extend the winning streak to TWO!!! The combined records of all HC teams now stands at 1-10-1. Do you think ADMB is scratching his head a bit? What’s FADNP thinking (other than being grateful for the crisp mountain air of Colorado Springs the day after whoopin’ up on the ‘Gate)?
|
|
|
Post by bigfan on Sept 1, 2019 7:32:34 GMT -5
We need to upgrade our assistants. Looking back years ago, look how great our assistants were under Duffner.
|
|
|
Post by efg72 on Sept 1, 2019 7:38:58 GMT -5
I believe it may have started with Rick Carter and the support he received from EBW(until he passed in 1988) to attract, hire and retain top assistants. It continued through Mark Duffner’s time and the 91 season.
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Sept 1, 2019 7:46:09 GMT -5
I think we can all agree scheduling two FBS teams this year is a scheduling disaster.
Had we opened v a CAA team we would at least have an idea if our QB can get it done v our normal competition. Also, I think some/much of our play calling was influenced by the obvious need to grind out the clock v a decent FBS team.
Finally, John Oliver's stat line, 4 rushes for a total of 8 yards, is not what I expected (again, it is sort of useless as a predictor to how productive he will be and how often his number will be called v our normal competition).
|
|
|
Post by hcpride on Sept 1, 2019 7:53:19 GMT -5
I believe it may have started with Rick Carter and the support he received from EBW(until he passed in 1988) to attract, hire and retain top assistants. It continued through Mark Duffner’s time and the 91 season. While people know he recruited and/or coached many of the finest football players in Holy Cross history, folks forget the quality staff that Carter assembled.
|
|
|
Post by trimster on Sept 1, 2019 7:55:24 GMT -5
I believe it may have started with Rick Carter and the support he received from EBW(until he passed in 1988) to attract, hire and retain top assistants. It continued through Mark Duffner’s time and the 91 season. Which coincided with the end of football scholarships for HC football. The last class carried the team to I believe an undefeated or one loss season. After that, maybe a lot of people weren't interested in being an asst coach for a program with very tough admissions standards and no scholarships to work with. Not a recipe for success.
|
|