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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 17:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Oct 5, 2019 17:41:49 GMT -5
The personal foul on the sideline seemed iffy at best but no replay so not sure. The one in the defensive backfield wasn’t even on camera and again no replay. I just saw the flag fly in.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 17:50:32 GMT -5
We criticize decisions by our coaches here, and rightfully so.
But the biggest bonehead move of today was Dave Cecchini electing to kick a field goal on 4th down from about our 20 yard line, down 21-14.
What does a field goal do for you? Going from 21-14 to 21-17 still means you need to score a touchdown. Really bad coaching.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 5, 2019 18:03:57 GMT -5
We criticize decisions by our coaches here, and rightfully so. But the biggest bonehead move of today was Dave Cecchini electing to kick a field goal on 4th down from about our 20 yard line, down 21-14. What does a field goal do for you? Going from 21-14 to 21-17 still means you need to score a touchdown. Really bad coaching. Disagree. It was 4th and 15. 4:27 left. Our offense not a juggernaut. They had a couple of timeouts.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 18:14:29 GMT -5
We criticize decisions by our coaches here, and rightfully so. But the biggest bonehead move of today was Dave Cecchini electing to kick a field goal on 4th down from about our 20 yard line, down 21-14. What does a field goal do for you? Going from 21-14 to 21-17 still means you need to score a touchdown. Really bad coaching. Disagree. It was 4th and 15. 4:27 left. Our offense not a juggernaut. They had a couple of timeouts. But Bucknell would still need a touchdown whether they kick the field goal or not, so what does it really do for them? They would be making a one score game a one score game.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 5, 2019 18:24:21 GMT -5
It gets them 3 of the 8 points they need to win the game. It was 4th and 15. Chances of making are 4th and 15 very low, particularly against our defense. I would have made the same decision. If others have a different opinion that’s fine but it certainly wasn’t a terrible decision.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 18:51:19 GMT -5
It gets them 3 of the 8 points they need to win the game. It was 4th and 15. Chances of making are 4th and 15 very low, particularly against our defense. I would have made the same decision. If others have a different opinion that’s fine but it certainly wasn’t a terrible decision. Obviously 4th and 15 is very low percentage, but I think you give yourself a better chance. If you kick the field goal you have to: 1) Convert the FG, 2) Force a stop against HC before time expires, 3) Drive down the field and score a TD. Need to do that all in 4:30. Splitting hairs, but think going for it leaves you with a higher percentage to win the game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 5, 2019 19:15:35 GMT -5
Chance of making first down on 4th and 15=20% Chance of scoring after first down =‘50% Compound chances= 10%
Chance of field goal= 70% Chance of recovering onside kick=30% Chance of TD drive after onside recovery =50% Compound chances=10.5%
There you go
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Post by matunuck on Oct 5, 2019 19:22:19 GMT -5
Glad we won but sorry not much changed in my mind with this game. Our defense is effective while our offense will need to play much better. Bucknell isn’t good so the next couple of weeks will be revealing, hopefully in the right direction.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 5, 2019 20:23:06 GMT -5
From GoHolyCross.com: The victory marked the fifth time in the last two seasons Holy Cross has rallied to win after trailing by double digits.
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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 20:30:30 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 20:30:30 GMT -5
Chance of making first down on 4th and 15=20% Chance of scoring after first down =‘50% Compound chances= 10% Chance of field goal= 70% Chance of recovering onside kick=30% Chance of TD drive after onside recovery =50% Compound chances=10.5% There you go Where are you getting these percentages? If recovering an onside kick is 30%, I suspect more teams would attempt them.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 5, 2019 20:36:33 GMT -5
Chance of making first down on 4th and 15=20% Chance of scoring after first down =‘50% Compound chances= 10% Chance of field goal= 70% Chance of recovering onside kick=30% Chance of TD drive after onside recovery =50% Compound chances=10.5% There you go Where are you getting these percentages? If recovering an onside kick is 30%, I suspect more teams would attempt them. I made the percentages up--trying to illustrate how the Bucknell coach may have looked at things. I thought the use of round numbers would telegraph that I was not using any deep research. However, I think you are right--just checked on the internet and it suggests that in the NFL (different level of football than PL) the kicking team recovers about 15% of onside kicks. This reminds me of the school in Arkansas (I think you can find it if you google the subject) that never punts
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 5, 2019 20:40:27 GMT -5
One more random stat that some may find interesting.
In our last 7 Patriot League games (6 last year and today's game)
First Half Scoring Holy Cross 71 Opponents 92
Second Half Scoring Holy Cross 128 Opponents 23
Second half adjustments? superior conditioning? Deeper bench?
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Post by breezy on Oct 5, 2019 20:50:43 GMT -5
For those who didn't see the game today, and want to see how we managed to win while playing so poorly --
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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 20:50:56 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Oct 5, 2019 20:50:56 GMT -5
We definitely seem to get stronger as the game goes on. Some of it has to be conditioning. We do rotate a bunch of guys through on defense, especially DL, so that helps too.
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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 21:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Oct 5, 2019 21:24:15 GMT -5
Brown lost to URI (28-31) and is now 1-2. Everything's falling into place for us to visit Brown and invalidate EJ Perry's choice of schools to transfer to. He's talented, but I'll take HC's defense. he didn't look so hot against the Harvards, just sayin
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Post by hc87 on Oct 5, 2019 21:30:26 GMT -5
Everything's falling into place for us to visit Brown and invalidate EJ Perry's choice of schools to transfer to. He's talented, but I'll take HC's defense. he didn't look so hot against the Harvards, just sayin Pressured a lot that night....score wasn't indicative imo i.e. Bruno coulda, shoulda scored more than 7 that night. URI's not bad....haven't looked at the game but 35 is pretty decent against a CAA D
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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 21:50:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 21:50:02 GMT -5
Perry threw for 420 and rushed for 92 today.
He’d be a major difference maker for us.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 5, 2019 21:53:36 GMT -5
I was pleased by the Defense and the win, even thought the offense was solid during a number of possessions. I would like to see the offense more aggressive but a W is a W! Brown is up next and our two year PL record continues to be on track with even brighter days ahead
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 5, 2019 22:00:10 GMT -5
First game I missed this year.
Was it their best game? No.
But they won a conference road game. Nobody will remember how they won, just that they won it.
There was positives. Defense continues to show that this team goes as the defense goes. What is wrong with that? Some teams are built like that. Defense and field position.
Can we cut this team some slack. After the Brown game it will be 4 road games in a row. Against some pretty tough competition.
People are talking about quitting on the team. Give me a break. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. There will be no room on the floats in the parade for you. HC is 2-3 with a great chance to go 8-4 or 9-3. The Harvard game should be packed to support this team that hasn't quit the whole year and deserves a home field advantage.
GO CROSS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS Whats the color of S%$@ BROWN BROWN BROWN
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Bucknell
Oct 5, 2019 22:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Oct 5, 2019 22:06:48 GMT -5
Josh McDaniels couldn't make this offense any better. They are what they are. Very conservative for a reason. Defense will carry this team. And there is nothing wrong with that. We may not have much at QB, but there is a plethora of weapons at the skill positions that a skilled OC would be able to utilize. Cozier, Ayeni, Forrest, Gilliam, big TE Mountain, potentially frosh Asante & Thomas should be more than enough for a PL offense to get going. Call me naive (or just dumb), but is there a chance that HCBC and his OC are keeping things in their back pocket - doing what is necessary to win the winnable games, and hanging around as much as they can in the others, so as to not show the entire playbook to the Harvards and Colgates? I’ve seen the offense move the ball well (at times) against UNH and Bucknell, but then revert to doing nothing thereafter. I don’t get it. It really does seem like they can be productive when they want to.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2019 22:14:39 GMT -5
We may not have much at QB, but there is a plethora of weapons at the skill positions that a skilled OC would be able to utilize. Cozier, Ayeni, Forrest, Gilliam, big TE Mountain, potentially frosh Asante & Thomas should be more than enough for a PL offense to get going. Call me naive (or just dumb), but is there a chance that HCBC and his OC are keeping things in their back pocket - doing what is necessary to win the winnable games, and hanging around as much as they can in the others, so as to not show the entire playbook to the Harvard’s and Colgate’s? I’ve seen the offense move the ball well (at times) against UNH and Bucknell, but then revert to doing nothing thereafter. I don’t get it. It really does seem like they can be productive when they want to. That's not what they're doing. Have whatever opinion you want on the play-calling, be it good, bad or awful. But a staff is not going to have its personnel attempt to run plays during a game that it is not capable of executing.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 5, 2019 22:18:48 GMT -5
Again- I support HC through wins or losses; thick or thin. I gave both knees and weird shaking disorder to the program. I played for Allen. I liked TG. I like Chesney. I hate our OC. He is a joke and should not be near a D-1AA playcall.
Our offense stinks. If Cozier is pushing 7 ypc, why is getting 16 carries. Murphy should be on a high school sideline. PERIOD.
I assumed we would run a weak PL. after watching the offense today- I don’t know if we’ll beat Lehigh, Colgate, Fordham or GT.
If Chesney does not fire this OC (and soon), I may not like Him any more.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2019 22:28:27 GMT -5
If we had our offense from just two years ago (pre-quitting on TG) and Mike Pedone calling plays, we would be 2-TD favorites against anyone in this league.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 5, 2019 23:21:34 GMT -5
could our center please snap the ball at least to waist level just once Look at the highlight reel-- low snap after low snap. I think we'll work on this during the week.
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Bucknell
Oct 6, 2019 6:20:54 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 6, 2019 6:20:54 GMT -5
Chance of making first down on 4th and 15=20% Chance of scoring after first down =‘50% Compound chances= 10% Chance of field goal= 70% Chance of recovering onside kick=30% Chance of TD drive after onside recovery =50% Compound chances=10.5% There you go KY & SOV, great analysis especially by KY. Having been a history major not sure any of those numbers are accurate. And maybe you’re just joking anyway. FWIW, watching the game I thought Bucknell should go for it for the reasons SOV stated. They missed the FG which with hindsight says they should have done the alternative. I did not go back to check but the HC pre game report said the opponent had won the away game in this series 6 times in a row- make that 7 now. Now that’s flukey!
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