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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 18, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -5
Checking in at #85:
www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13460
Iona was previously previewed as the #2 team in the MAAC, so it looks like they are in their Top 100. So if I have it right, looks like we'll have 5 opponents in their top 100: Syracuse, South Carolina (they were 95 I think), URI, Monmouth and Harvard.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 12:11:09 GMT -5
Iona will have almost an entirely new team. Their recruits are rated pretty highly, but who really knows ?
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 18, 2016 12:14:52 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 12:19:43 GMT -5
Must be nice to have unlimited reruits With HYP and other Ivies, giving total aid to almost all students, the NCAA should, but won't, hold everyone to 13.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 12:36:40 GMT -5
Must be nice to have unlimited reruits With HYP and other Ivies, giving total aid to almost all students, the NCAA should, but won't, hold everyone to 13. Only 20% of Harvard students get "total aid", I.e. a free ride. And only 60% get any need-based aid at all. There aren't any stats for basketball players, but I imagine their pcts are higher To limit Ivy basketball recruits might be difficult since none are given scholarship offers or LOI's to sign. An Ivy could still get around any NCAA restriction by having the player initiate contact and then using third parties and unofficial visits more during the process. I wouldn't mind some attempt, however. Right now the Ivy's limit schools to six slots per year for basketball players. Scaling that number back a bit would help - but it would be a problem for the weaker schools since players can quit and continue to get the same amount of financial aid. A number of Ivy athletes use sports to get in the door and then quit soon after they enroll.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 18, 2016 12:37:01 GMT -5
Uh, what about Army, Navy, Air Force? Unlimited too and like HYP pay "nothing" except their commitment to serve our country after graduation. HYP men do the same in a different venue . . . serving on Wall Street and corporate boards.
Athletic scholarships may not have totally leveled the playing field against the Ivies but now it is a little less skewed.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 12:46:05 GMT -5
Uh, what about Army, Navy, Air Force? Unlimited too and like HYP pay "nothing" except their commitment to serve our country after graduation. If it weren't for the long service commitment - which certainly helps level the playing field in a big way - Army and Navy would actually have a big advantage over the Ivy's. First, Army/Navy gives a 100% free ride to everyone. Harvard only gives a 100% free ride to 20% of its students. Secondly, the Ivy League limits how many recruits a school can bring in for each sport. Army and Navy have no external restrictions, and they have expanded the number of recruited athletes over the years. Army, for example, has 32+ recruited basketball players. And finally, both Army and Navy have their own prep school to "redshirt" athletes.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 18, 2016 13:21:39 GMT -5
Checking in at #85:
www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13460
Iona was previously previewed as the #2 team in the MAAC, so it looks like they are in their Top 100. So if I have it right, looks like we'll have 5 opponents in their top 100: Syracuse, South Carolina (they were 95 I think), URI, Monmouth and Harvard. Poorly written by moi - I had meant that because Iona has already checked in as the number 2 team in the MAAC, then it implies that Monmouth will be ranked as the #1 team (and as a result, in the top 100). I think Iona was just outside 100.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 13:25:49 GMT -5
Iona's rank is mostly based on the last few seasons, not what they will be this season.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 18, 2016 13:28:59 GMT -5
Iona's rank is mostly based on the last few seasons, not what they will be this season. If I remember their preview correctly (I should just look it up), they were predicting Severe and Cassell Jr. to have a major impact. We'll see I guess.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 14:12:33 GMT -5
Iona's rank is mostly based on the last few seasons, not what they will be this season. If I remember their preview correctly (I should just look it up), they were predicting Severe and Cassell Jr. to have a major impact. If the team psychiatrist does a great job.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 14:13:47 GMT -5
Must be nice to have unlimited reruits With HYP and other Ivies, giving total aid to almost all students, the NCAA should, but won't, hold everyone to 13. Only 20% of Harvard students get "total aid", I.e. a free ride. And only 60% get any need-based aid at all. There aren't any stats for basketball players, but I imagine their pcts are higher To limit Ivy basketball recruits might be difficult since none are given scholarship offers or LOI's to sign. An Ivy could still get around any NCAA restriction by having the player initiate contact and then using third parties and unofficial visits more during the process. I wouldn't mind some attempt, however. Right now the Ivy's limit schools to six slots per year for basketball players. Scaling that number back a bit would help - but it would be a problem for the weaker schools since players can quit and continue to get the same amount of financial aid. A number of Ivy athletes use sports to get in the door and then quit soon after they enroll. I find it hard to believe that any of the top recruits Harvard has gotten have paid one dollar.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 14:34:42 GMT -5
Only 20% of Harvard students get "total aid", I.e. a free ride. And only 60% get any need-based aid at all. There aren't any stats for basketball players, but I imagine their pcts are higher To limit Ivy basketball recruits might be difficult since none are given scholarship offers or LOI's to sign. An Ivy could still get around any NCAA restriction by having the player initiate contact and then using third parties and unofficial visits more during the process. I wouldn't mind some attempt, however. Right now the Ivy's limit schools to six slots per year for basketball players. Scaling that number back a bit would help - but it would be a problem for the weaker schools since players can quit and continue to get the same amount of financial aid. A number of Ivy athletes use sports to get in the door and then quit soon after they enroll. I find it hard to believe that any of the top recruits Harvard has gotten have paid one dollar. Not hard for me to believe. Some of them appear to have parents with decent incomes. A lot of people will pay a reasonable amount to walk away with a cheap Harvard degree.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2016 14:37:22 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that any of the top recruits Harvard has gotten have paid one dollar. Not hard for me to believe. Some of them appear to have parents with decent incomes. Ok, but Just curious how you would know about these parents' incomes
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 14:40:54 GMT -5
If I remember their preview correctly (I should just look it up), they were predicting Severe and Cassell Jr. to have a major impact. If the team psychiatrist does a great job. Yes, if both of them end up as major contributors, then the team psychiatrist will have done wonders. Cassell is at his fourth school in five years and has yet to do much. Also has suffered from a number of injuries. Severe was a good offensive player as a freshman but saw his minutes and production drop each year. Certainly not a great influence in the locker room. Will be interesting to see if Cluess can put together a cohesive team out of the parts he has.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 14:42:08 GMT -5
Not hard for me to believe. Some of them appear to have parents with decent incomes. Ok, but Just curious how you would know about these parents' incomes Only inferring it from various articles. If they have a total parental income of over $65,000, then they normally wouldn't get a 100% free ride.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 15:08:26 GMT -5
Ok, but Just curious how you would know about these parents' incomes Only inferring it from various articles. If they have a total parental income of over $65,000, then they normally wouldn't get a 100% free ride. Just to expand a little on this. One incoming recruit is Chris Lewis, who is the son of a former NFL star who played 13 years in the league. Returnee Tommy McCarthy is from an affluent school district in the San Diego suburbs. Bryce Aiken is from a wealthy NJ suburb and attended a prestigious private school. Justin Bassey's parents have six post-graduate degrees between them. Henry Welsh is from an affluent California suburb and has a father who is an executive for a very large, profitable company. Corey Johnson, who is from Ontario, has parents who both played college basketball and appear to be doing well. Etc. I haven't seen anyone's income tax returns, but I'd be stunned if a number of the above aren't paying at least some of the cost of attending Harvard. And I didn't even count Matt Fraschilla, who is rostered but doesn't see a lot of playing time.
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Post by matunuck on Aug 18, 2016 15:11:22 GMT -5
Uh, what about Army, Navy, Air Force? Unlimited too and like HYP pay "nothing" except their commitment to serve our country after graduation. HYP men do the same in a different venue . . . serving on Wall Street and corporate boards. Athletic scholarships may not have totally leveled the playing field against the Ivies but now it is a little less skewed. I know you're not remotely equating service in the Armed Forces with serving on Wall Street, but, to be fair, for academy recruits there's a heck of a lot more to put up with (even for football athletes) than the relatively soft life one lives at the Ivies.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 18, 2016 15:32:43 GMT -5
I hope I am misreading this, but can't believe that putting one's life on the line after graduation is being equated with the "burden" of paying off a student loan.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 18, 2016 16:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Aug 18, 2016 16:17:21 GMT -5
A number of the Harvard women's players come from affluent towns. One example is Jeannie Boehm, their All-American from New Trier HS. Her parents both went to Harvard Business School. Her siblings were athletes at Bucknell (two), Harvard, and Dartmouth. As I am sure is the case with the men's team, there are a number of players on their roster who aren't getting a full ride. Some are likely paying 100%.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 18, 2016 20:22:44 GMT -5
I think Harvard is probably seen as an outstanding value by players & parents of any level of wealth. The player with two parents with Harvard Business School degrees is probably in a household with at least $500,000 annual income, likely much higher. They can afford the list price.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 7, 2016 8:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 1, 2016 8:41:59 GMT -5
I'll stick this link here even though it is about a prospect Harvard is recruiting. usatodayhss.com/2016/the-wendell-carter-jr-blog-in-home-visits-busy-senior-year-and-moreWendell Carter is a highly recruited player. (He is also taking Honors Calculus in his senior year of high school, so he's not likely to be academically challenged.) From Wendell's blog linked above: I've heard hearsay stories that way back in the day, some of the Celtics would play pickup ball with HC players at the OFH. _________________________ I found this link to the Harvard team photo for 2016-17. They are rostering 20 players. Here's the photo link, if you want to gauge the size of the frontcoutr. pbs.twimg.com/media/Cti204MXEAQKnhf.jpg
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Post by Tom on Oct 1, 2016 8:49:35 GMT -5
A number of the Harvard women's players come from affluent towns. One example is Jeannie Boehm, their All-American from New Trier HS. Her parents both went to Harvard Business School. Her siblings were athletes at Bucknell (two), Harvard, and Dartmouth. As I am sure is the case with the men's team, there are a number of players on their roster who aren't getting a full ride. Some are likely paying 100%. Nothing to do with the financial aspects, but Pat Benzan's younger sister is a freshman on the Harvard woman's team.
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