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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 12, 2019 21:07:54 GMT -5
Tough loss. Better showing on the boards, especially at the offensive end where we grabbed 34%- the thirteen OR were HC's highest in three years. Lowder could be a special player at the offensive end. Pridgen with another fine, all-around effort - 9p, 7r, 2a, 2st, 2bl.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 12, 2019 21:10:31 GMT -5
A disconcerting first half stat that doesn’t bode well for the second half: HC 5-14 2PT FG, Fairfield 11-16 2PT FG. This is where the game was lost. We had zero inside presence, while Fairfield scored in the paint. Fairfield was 20-37 2PT FG. We were 13-33 2PT FG. It also didn't help that, in OT, two possessions resulted in a Verbeek 3PT attempt. Didn't need that.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 12, 2019 21:11:28 GMT -5
Verbeek with some questionable shot selection and 5 turnovers this game. I would have loved the old RW quick hook for a bad play. Without question. Unfortunately, there's not much else up front now with the roster Carmody left BN, along with Faw being out.
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Post by trimster on Nov 12, 2019 21:44:21 GMT -5
Wait until Faw is healthier. Perhaps you will see it then. Hopefully. Our lack of physical presence in the paint is scary. Fairfield’s bigs overwhelmed ours at times. Great effort and had a chance to win it at the end of regulation. Shot rimmed out.
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Post by thecrossisback on Nov 12, 2019 22:12:43 GMT -5
Tough loss, probably going to be that kind of year. Lowder is the best offensive player on the team. Nelson just needs that first win.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 12, 2019 22:30:18 GMT -5
Didn’t get to watch the game this evening, but looking at the box score, and the final score, did Fairfield control tempo and slow the game down or was it more about our shooting percentages
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 12, 2019 22:31:26 GMT -5
Druzi came back on the court after the game, shooting shot after shot from that corner where he missed at the end of regulation. A winner.
Don't despair - better days coming.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 12, 2019 22:36:16 GMT -5
‘Better days’ start tmro with the early signing period - let’s get those three signatures on those LOI’s
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Post by HC92 on Nov 12, 2019 23:53:10 GMT -5
A few thoughts on the game:
1. Lowder is a total stud. Played tough D and showed the proverbial onions on offense. I’ll be shocked if he’s not a first-team All PL player at least once in his career. As NAD mentioned, he was back out on the floor firing up a lot of shots after the game. 2. Liked how Verbeek competed. There were a lot of big bodies down there and he competed all night while playing a lot of minutes. Needs to get stronger but I liked what I saw. 3. As for pace of play, Fairfield did a good job slowing down our transition game and making us run some offense. 4. Pridgen does a lot of things well and plays really hard. 5. RSIG was chasing a few of the most loyal fans out of the gym 5 minutes after the game. Relax, fellas. Letting a few folks who come to most every game mingle and talk in the gym isn’t going to hurt anyone. I assume they get their orders from somewhere so it may not be their fault. 6. The future is bright. Like Nelson.
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Post by Xmassader on Nov 13, 2019 0:55:45 GMT -5
SOV With regard to Lowder and Wade, thanks to FACDM, an Ann Arbor Pioneer alum like Drew.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 13, 2019 0:57:55 GMT -5
Didn’t get to watch the game this evening, but looking at the box score, and the final score, did Fairfield control tempo and slow the game down or was it more about our shooting percentages Game had 67 possessions - which is a bit below average. (Average thus far for all D1 games is 71.7 ppg.) Most of that was due to Fairfield's slow pace. Through three games, they rank 340th in the nation in tempo. There were 75 possession in HC's game vs UNH fwiw.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 13, 2019 6:28:32 GMT -5
One thing to consider when evaluating BV 2 weeks before Thanksgiving: last year he played a total of 19 minutes. Last night in a closely contested overtime game, he played 34. He had his struggles, and he certainly needs to improve physically, but time is on his side at this point. I look at him and MH basically as redshirt freshmen right now. He's being asked to do a lot.
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Post by possum on Nov 13, 2019 6:54:40 GMT -5
Entertaining game both teams played very hard unfortunately the wrong team won. Nice to see us really competing on the boards. Thought overall our defense was pretty good did a real nice job on their second best player Taliaferro. Lowder showed a lot coming back after a really tough first 30 minutes, thought Fairfield played him very tough as he was unable to get to the rim. Unfortunately he was our only offense late in the game. Niego played a very solid all around game and should be a strong contributor all season. Pridgen is a tough kid don't know if he'll ever be a star but will be a key player in our rebuild, very tough on defense and on the boards. Verbeek tries really hard and does some nice things but his lack of strength is a big drawback, was stripped numerous times tonight. Playing way to many minutes at this point really need Faw to come back and split the minutes at center. Butler's shooting is off and he still forces way too many shots inside. Hargis does some nice things on offense and until Faw returns should probably get some of Verbeek's minutes can play small with Niego at center for short spurts. Wade was not able to get involved at all offensively tonight at this point appears to be a spot up shooter and doesn't seem to have ability to get his own shot. Overall there are some nice pieces to build upon, still need to increase talent level to become a winning program. Too bad couldn't have gotten one of the last two games to get Nelson off the schneid. Talent level of opponents gets better now so unfortunately may be awhile before he gets that first win.
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 13, 2019 7:13:15 GMT -5
Butler's shooting is off and he still forces way too many shots inside. Love the kid's grit but these crazy drives into traffic make no sense at all.
At this rate he is going to lead the nation in the number of his shots that are blocked.
His drives are not explosive, he's only 6'4", and he doesn't elevate very well.
What's the definition of "insanity"?
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Post by lou on Nov 13, 2019 7:24:41 GMT -5
Thought Niego sat too long in the second half. Got 3 quick blocks as soon as he got back in the game. Definitely need him on the floor in the 2nd half, not on the bench. Also would have liked some kind of isolation play for Lowder at the end regulation. Pretty obvious he's not easy to defend 1 on 1. As it was he nearly made the game winner with 3 guys on him
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
A few thoughts on the game: 1. Lowder is a total stud. Played tough D and showed the proverbial onions on offense. I’ll be shocked if he’s not a first-team All PL player at least once in his career. As NAD mentioned, he was back out on the floor firing up a lot of shots after the game. 2. Liked how Verbeek competed. There were a lot of big bodies down there and he competed all night while playing a lot of minutes. Needs to get stronger but I liked what I saw. 3. As for pace of play, Fairfield did a good job slowing down our transition game and making us run some offense. 4. Pridgen does a lot of things well and plays really hard. 5. RSIG was chasing a few of the most loyal fans out of the gym 5 minutes after the game. Relax, fellas. Letting a few folks who come to most every game mingle and talk in the gym isn’t going to hurt anyone. I assume they get their orders from somewhere so it may not be their fault. 6. The future is bright. Like Nelson. Unfortunately, I don't see BV getting a whole lot stronger. He has a tiny frame and I just don't see him putting on much weight. Having said that, he does have some skills. He certainly doesn't lack confidence in his shot.
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2019 8:13:12 GMT -5
Butler's shooting is off and he still forces way too many shots inside. Love the kid's grit but these crazy drives into traffic make no sense at all.
At this rate he is going to lead the nation in the number of his shots that are blocked.
His drives are not explosive, he's only 6'4", and he doesn't elevate very well.
What's the definition of "insanity"?
He hit a couple of early threes and I think he would have been better off looking for his shot more. He isn't going to overpower too many 6'8" players at the rim.
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Post by dadominate on Nov 13, 2019 8:18:04 GMT -5
A few thoughts on the game: 1. Lowder is a total stud. Played tough D and showed the proverbial onions on offense. I’ll be shocked if he’s not a first-team All PL player at least once in his career. As NAD mentioned, he was back out on the floor firing up a lot of shots after the game. 2. Liked how Verbeek competed. There were a lot of big bodies down there and he competed all night while playing a lot of minutes. Needs to get stronger but I liked what I saw. 3. As for pace of play, Fairfield did a good job slowing down our transition game and making us run some offense. 4. Pridgen does a lot of things well and plays really hard. 5. RSIG was chasing a few of the most loyal fans out of the gym 5 minutes after the game. Relax, fellas. Letting a few folks who come to most every game mingle and talk in the gym isn’t going to hurt anyone. I assume they get their orders from somewhere so it may not be their fault. 6. The future is bright. Like Nelson. Unfortunately, I don't see BV getting a whole lot stronger. He has a tiny frame and I just don't see him putting on much weight. Having said that, he does have some skills. He certainly doesn't lack confidence in his shot. verbeek may or may not get bigger, but he can definitely get stronger. any player (or person) can get stronger. and i imagine he will put on some weight on a high-level strength program. it was definitely an off night for verbeek, but he really doesn't play that soft. he gets down on the floor regularly, isn't shy about mixing it up (rolled around on the floor with a fairfield big battling for a loose ball), and uses his body pretty well. he could definitely use some work on his post game, but he will get better with time (these are really his first few games) and has been a pleasant surprise despite shooting so poorly last night.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 13, 2019 8:20:25 GMT -5
A few thoughts on the game: 1. Lowder is a total stud. Played tough D and showed the proverbial onions on offense. I’ll be shocked if he’s not a first-team All PL player at least once in his career. As NAD mentioned, he was back out on the floor firing up a lot of shots after the game. 2. Liked how Verbeek competed. There were a lot of big bodies down there and he competed all night while playing a lot of minutes. Needs to get stronger but I liked what I saw. 3. As for pace of play, Fairfield did a good job slowing down our transition game and making us run some offense. 4. Pridgen does a lot of things well and plays really hard. 5. RSIG was chasing a few of the most loyal fans out of the gym 5 minutes after the game. Relax, fellas. Letting a few folks who come to most every game mingle and talk in the gym isn’t going to hurt anyone. I assume they get their orders from somewhere so it may not be their fault. 6. The future is bright. Like Nelson. Unfortunately, I don't see BV getting a whole lot stronger. He has a tiny frame and I just don't see him putting on much weight. Having said that, he does have some skills. He certainly doesn't lack confidence in his shot. He’ll never be Whearty but I was impressed with how he competed against some full grown men in one of his first games of real minutes in his career. If we had a couple of legit bigs around him, he could be really effective. Asking him to do it by himself makes it tougher. He does have a funky release on his shot though it goes in a decent amount. Imagine he might spend some time at the Brett Nelson shooting academy in the off-season.
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2019 8:23:20 GMT -5
‘Better days’ start tmro with the early signing period - let’s get those three signatures on those LOI’s Rabinovich and I walked by each other on the concourse last night. Obviously very tall but also has some size. Hopefully he can play in the paint from day one. I know that is asking a lot but who knows, perhaps he can contribute right away. We need him to.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 13, 2019 8:25:33 GMT -5
Let's see that LOI ASAP!
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Post by trimster on Nov 13, 2019 8:28:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't see BV getting a whole lot stronger. He has a tiny frame and I just don't see him putting on much weight. Having said that, he does have some skills. He certainly doesn't lack confidence in his shot. He’ll never be Whearty but I was impressed with how he competed against some full grown men in one of his first games of real minutes in his career. If we had a couple of legit bigs around him, he could be really effective. Asking him to do it by himself makes it tougher. He does have a funky release on his shot though it goes in a decent amount. Imagine he might spend some time at the Brett Nelson shooting academy in the off-season. I was thinking of Whearty as I typed my message. What a physical transformation he made while on the hill. Your full grown men observation is right on the money. The difference in the physical presence of the two teams really jumped out at you last night.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Nov 13, 2019 8:45:34 GMT -5
Weight/Strength training.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 13, 2019 9:04:50 GMT -5
Butler's shooting is off and he still forces way too many shots inside. Love the kid's grit but these crazy drives into traffic make no sense at all.
At this rate he is going to lead the nation in the number of his shots that are blocked.
His drives are not explosive, he's only 6'4", and he doesn't elevate very well.
What's the definition of "insanity"?
As a few posters noted this thread and many have over the last 2+ years, Butler has an enormous number of shots blocked when he goes down low.
While I never thought I 'd write this about a basketball player, he takes too many shots when he is close to the basket (drives, rebounds, loose balls, etc.).
He is listed generously as 6'5" but plays like he is much shorter - he needs to realize this is not HS where he had some relative size - so he needs to kick it out or dump it off more often.
(There are good points to his game but this is a glaring weakness IMHO).
Just a random thought that if Fairfield had a player like JF, that player would have really lit it up last night v our defense.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2019 9:11:10 GMT -5
Some highlights, one lowlight, quotes from the post game
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