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Post by HC92 on Dec 23, 2019 18:41:33 GMT -5
17 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists and but 1 turnover--many people would consider that a pretty good game. Yesterday: Andy Dalton: 396 yards, 4 TDs Ryan Fitzpatrick: 419 yards, 4 TDs They must be good/great quarterbacks. They’re two of the 32 best QBs in the world so I’d say they’re at least pretty good.
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Post by trimster on Dec 23, 2019 18:56:41 GMT -5
A long time ago decisions were made to make HC largely irrelevant in D1 athletics and succeeding administrations have done nothing to change it. Holy Cross apparently is comfortable being where it is in the world of college athletics. Fans have had to decide whether or not to continue their support of the programs and for the most part, have moved on. I think the football program is at an appropriate level. I haven't felt that way about basketball for ages. Just wanted to say that this perfectly summarizes my feelings about HC hoop/football. That and a $1.06 will get you a cup of coffee at Cumby's...just wanted to give you a shout out on this trimster. As bad as we are now in hoop, we could be significantly better at this level (low mid-major) and it mostly wouldn't matter to most ( alums, students, CMass etc) Thanks Indian Hoops. Maybe we should start a support group. Then again, perhaps this board is one to some of us.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2019 18:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by spenser on Dec 23, 2019 19:00:35 GMT -5
Well stated -#newstart Coach Keith Wade @wadesworld32 · Dec 22 One thing I will never do is watch a game and criticize a coach for execution or substitution pattern. None of us are behind the scenes and we definitely are not at practice. I have yet to meet a coach that makes decisions (on purpose) to lose?!?!?! Michele @michelebutler05 · 21h Not the outcome we wanted but proud of the efforts of this @hcrossmbb team for not giving up & especially @austinbutler44 for his fight! These guys are working hard, have had a tough road schedule the last few weeks and finished a grueling week of finals. #turnthepage #newstart I absolutely agree. I’m sure that Coach Nelson is doing what he can given the situation. It’s not like the guy doesn’t want to succeed. The team will get better. I absolutely believe that.
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Post by bikeman on Dec 23, 2019 19:02:13 GMT -5
I don't know what can be changed at this point except a new, open minded administration. The one thing that has irritated me the most is hearing that HC would have to compromise its academic integrity to compete at a higher level. The administration cannot trust its own people to play by the rules. What a crock of BS that is. Its also an insult to excellent student athletes of the past. They've also repeatedly snubbed their noses at the city of Worcester, their regional historical rivals and long time fans. HC should be the Duke of the northeast. They've ignored their rich tradition. What a shame.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 23, 2019 19:10:06 GMT -5
Don’t disagree with what could have been but we. Are where we are
what can be done to improve the future?
Willing to drive something forward to create energy and change But What are three things any interested group wants to accomplish to improve the environment
Complaining is easy and that is why chat boards exist and we have those that protest about everything who do it so easily by blaming everybody else
Doing something requires passion and commitment and it is helpful to have experience and knowledge on your side
Tell me what it is?
Merry Christmas
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Post by trimster on Dec 23, 2019 19:31:59 GMT -5
I don't know what can be changed at this point except a new, open minded administration. The one thing that has irritated me the most is hearing that HC would have to compromise its academic integrity to compete at a higher level. The administration cannot trust its own people to play by the rules. What a crock of BS that is. Its also an insult to excellent student athletes of the past. They've also repeatedly snubbed their noses at the city of Worcester, their regional historical rivals and long time fans. HC should be the Duke of the northeast. They've ignored their rich tradition. What a shame. Could not agree more. Potter, Vicens, Perry, Doran et al showed you could excel on two fronts. Sadly, HC chose to stop trying to do both.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 23, 2019 22:17:39 GMT -5
Regarding regional historic rivals like BC, PC, UConn. Holy Cross would play each of them every year I am sure, and BC twice a year as was historically done, but those schools see HC as a liability. Small to no reward for a victory, large harm from a loss.
Gonzaga has become a national household name out of a mid major conference, basically by hiring the right coach and I assume by being somewhat flexible with admissions and by recruiting internationally. I'm not sure they fund their MBB program more than HC does except they have to fly more for away games than we do, and their coach probably makes a top salary now.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 23, 2019 22:21:15 GMT -5
Just wanted to say that this perfectly summarizes my feelings about HC hoop/football. That and a $1.06 will get you a cup of coffee at Cumby's...just wanted to give you a shout out on this trimster. As bad as we are now in hoop, we could be significantly better at this level (low mid-major) and it mostly wouldn't matter to most ( alums, students, CMass etc) The Haaht Center could use a Cumbys ninety-nine cent coffee stand. Don't disrespect Cumby's coffee which is actually 1/3 of the price of Dunkin and decent enough to get by.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 24, 2019 1:28:09 GMT -5
If we could have made the Centrum our bball "home," would that have had a big impact? Might it still?
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 24, 2019 2:31:49 GMT -5
Regarding regional historic rivals like BC, PC, UConn. Holy Cross would play each of them every year I am sure, and BC twice a year as was historically done, but those schools see HC as a liability. Small to no reward for a victory, large harm from a loss. Gonzaga has become a national household name out of a mid major conference, basically by hiring the right coach and I assume by being somewhat flexible with admissions and by recruiting internationally. I'm not sure they fund their MBB program more than HC does except they have to fly more for away games than we do, and their coach probably makes a top salary now. Few is paid 1.7 million a year which is 60th in the nation (I thought he was closer to the top than that.) Source: sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 24, 2019 7:34:02 GMT -5
Not 100% sure that Fr. B is in total agreement (but suspect he is) but his predecessor, Fr. McF despised what Gonzaga did to gain national prominence in basketball and swore HC would never do that (i.e. loosen admissions standards, "gut" courses for players, etc.).
International students? Hey, we got Clayton and had Neil Fingleton and Vicens in the old days (I know, P.R. is part of the U.S.). Hockey team full of Canadians. Doesn't Gonzaga international players come mostly from Down Under?
Anyway, not necessarily bad ideas, just that I don't see HC doing much different in the future.
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Post by trimster on Dec 24, 2019 7:59:39 GMT -5
If we could have made the Centrum our bball "home," would that have had a big impact? Might it still? I don't know what kind of vision the AD and coach, the BOT and the Administration have for the men's hoop program but a lot of things would have to happen for the Centrum, now the DCU Center, to become the home court for HC hoops. A lot of things.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 24, 2019 8:05:11 GMT -5
Caught a small bit of a show the other night featuring Coach Few. He seems most comfortable with his gig (beautiful house and surroundings!). Academics aside, it's really amazing to me what they've been able to accomplish, and how it's affected the whole WCC. Twenty years ago it really wasn't much different from your average northeast low D-1 league; now they've been able to be in the discussion most years for multiple bids (and was able to attract BYU for hoops). On a smaller scale, Amaker's recruiting at Harvard has sort of had a similar effect on the Ivy League.
With international players, sader, it is actually St. Mary's that has the Down Under pipeline. Gonzaga I think has gotten kids from all around (I think current player Tillie is from France, and they had Sabonis a few years back).
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 24, 2019 8:20:24 GMT -5
If we could have made the Centrum our bball "home," would that have had a big impact? Might it still? We can't even fill the Hart Center halfway let alone the centrum. The student population does not care and locals have lost interest. Very sad.
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Post by trimster on Dec 24, 2019 8:51:07 GMT -5
If we could have made the Centrum our bball "home," would that have had a big impact? Might it still? We can't even fill the Hart Center halfway let alone the centrum. The student population does not care and locals have lost interest. Very sad. HC hoops has lost two generations of fans and as some people in the business world have said, it is a lot harder to find new customers than to keep existing ones.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 24, 2019 8:57:11 GMT -5
How times have changed. AB’s mother tweets about his first semester GPA (congrats to AB) only 2-3 days after the end of finals week. I seem to remember that the grades didn’t come out until 2-3 weeks after the end of finals—closer to 3 when exams were scheduled before Christmas (‘66-‘67 and ‘67-‘68 exams were before Christmas and then in ‘68-‘69 and ‘69-‘70 after Christmas). The change in ‘68 was met with resistance from a great majority of the students but the faculty wanted the change so it was adopted.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 24, 2019 9:09:47 GMT -5
The West Coast Conference was ranked #13 in 2000 and is at #9 today. The conference added powerhouse BYU and middle of the pack Pacific in going from 8 to 10 teams. Of the 8 teams in the conference in 2000, 4 are ranked higher today (by 26, 219, 2, and 101 places) and 4 are ranked lower (by 13, 112, 102, and 84 places). This is just a quick comparison as I don't know, for example, if 2000 was a typical conference year, or 2020 for that matter.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 24, 2019 11:04:59 GMT -5
Caught a small bit of a show the other night featuring Coach Few. He seems most comfortable with his gig (beautiful house and surroundings!). Academics aside, it's really amazing to me what they've been able to accomplish, and how it's affected the whole WCC. Twenty years ago it really wasn't much different from your average northeast low D-1 league; now they've been able to be in the discussion most years for multiple bids (and was able to attract BYU for hoops). On a smaller scale, Amaker's recruiting at Harvard has sort of had a similar effect on the Ivy League. With international players, sader, it is actually St. Mary's that has the Down Under pipeline. Gonzaga I think has gotten kids from all around (I think current player Tillie is from France, and they had Sabonis a few years back). Our band could learn "Waltzing Matilda" couldn't they? St. Mary's had a surge in admission inquiries after their Sweet Sixteen run.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 24, 2019 11:14:29 GMT -5
Getting applicants from France through admissions might be easier. People sound smart when they speak French.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 24, 2019 11:22:11 GMT -5
"Vous et tres jolie!" "Sie sind sehr schoen!" I bumped into Jehyve Floyd while visiting the Luth for the first time. Taught him these two expressions that will stand him in good stead in Europe.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 24, 2019 11:46:49 GMT -5
The West Coast Conference was ranked #13 in 2000 and is at #9 today. The conference added powerhouse BYU and middle of the pack Pacific in going from 8 to 10 teams. Of the 8 teams in the conference in 2000, 4 are ranked higher today (by 26, 219, 2, and 101 places) and 4 are ranked lower (by 13, 112, 102, and 84 places). This is just a quick comparison as I don't know, for example, if 2000 was a typical conference year, or 2020 for that matter. Interesting KY; a bit surprised that they had that high a ranking in 2000. Wondering if it looked much different say around 1995 - I think Gonzaga's first Eight Eight run was either in 1998 or 1999.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 24, 2019 11:51:33 GMT -5
How times have changed. AB’s mother tweets about his first semester GPA (congrats to AB) only 2-3 days after the end of finals week. I seem to remember that the grades didn’t come out until 2-3 weeks after the end of finals—closer to 3 when exams were scheduled before Christmas (‘66-‘67 and ‘67-‘68 exams were before Christmas and then in ‘68-‘69 and ‘69-‘70 after Christmas). The change in ‘68 was met with resistance from a great majority of the students but the faculty wanted the change so it was adopted. Same in the 80s..I'm assuming most colleges are like high schools today where grades are constantly updated online and thus easily calculated and sent out after finals....exams after Christmas break sounds absolutely miserable
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 24, 2019 12:11:25 GMT -5
It was miserable...we got to carry books home and then deal with the guilt of not using them until we got back to campus.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 24, 2019 15:20:11 GMT -5
Ever have to "correct" 60 "Blue Books?" Rate each of 5 essay answers in each Book A though F? That's enough to ruin your Holiday.
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