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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 27, 2020 9:39:07 GMT -5
Both conferences are one-bid leagues so on that basis they're fairly equal and both UNCW and EMU are very average schools and a far cry from HC - that's another sad reality that 2 young men left our school for places that probably will not challenge them academically as HC would have. 'the grass is not always greener...' I think the MAC is probably a better conference top to bottom, but UNCW is has been a better program in the past couple decades. We don't know anything about Pridgen's and Lowder's academics, so it's quite possible they will be better served at their next schools.
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2020 9:47:48 GMT -5
it looks as if neither was looking for any academic challenge, at least as undergrads. But both could possibly receive a Masters degree in their 5th years
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Post by rgs318 on May 27, 2020 11:07:59 GMT -5
A good point. That 5th year graduate degree is something I wish HC could incorporate as an option for our athletes.
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Post by timholycross on May 27, 2020 12:54:55 GMT -5
So we're down to Niego and Verbeek in terms of not knowing their destinations.
If Niego ends up "upgrading" his level of play, it would be a bit of a surprise. If Verbeek did, it would be a stunnah.
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Post by HC92 on May 31, 2020 15:40:12 GMT -5
Michigan guy who was a Juco All American last year just decommitted from Green Bay due to coaching change. Two years left. Immediate eligibility. Ayers heading to Mercer.
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Post by WorcesterGray on May 31, 2020 15:52:45 GMT -5
Unless I missed the memo, there was never any indication he had the slightest interest in Holy Cross nor any indication that Holy Cross ever had any interest in him.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 31, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
There wasn't. No idea why he's even being discussed.
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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2020 16:07:15 GMT -5
Because we know Coach Nelson is not against taking juco transfers and we have an opening and a new member of the junior class that can play immediately would help balance the roster?
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Post by Xmassader on Jun 1, 2020 0:01:46 GMT -5
Ayers’ name was passed along to the coaching staff. Don’t know if there was any interest on HC’s part but a moot point now. Bobby Kummer, a Detroit area HS player from the early ‘90s, is on the coaching staff at Mercer and I suspect was involved in Ayers’ recruitment/decision.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 7, 2020 20:15:08 GMT -5
Connor Niego still looking for a home - I have to believe this is getting a little late for him to land with a decent program. Since the sit-out waiver was not passed, someone has to give him 2 years on schollie and will only have him on the floor for 21-22 - silly to have left HC where he could play 20-21, get his degree and use his 5th year as a grad transfer. I don't understand his strategy.
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Post by trimster on Jun 7, 2020 20:47:49 GMT -5
Connor Niego still looking for a home - I have to believe this is getting a little late for him to land with a decent program. Since the sit-out waiver was not passed, someone has to give him 2 years on schollie and will only have him on the floor for 21-22 - silly to have left HC where he could play 20-21, get his degree and use his 5th year as a grad transfer. I don't understand his strategy. Maybe he stays? If he stays and graduates next year, his schollie becomes available for the class of ‘21 which has the same effect as not using his schollie in the coming year.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 8, 2020 1:00:29 GMT -5
How doable is it to transfer in somewhere for your senior year and graduate with a degree from the new school after only one year as a student with that school giving you full credit for all of your course work for three years from the previous school? With or without a basketball scholarship?
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Post by HC92 on Jun 8, 2020 7:12:59 GMT -5
Connor Niego still looking for a home - I have to believe this is getting a little late for him to land with a decent program. Since the sit-out waiver was not passed, someone has to give him 2 years on schollie and will only have him on the floor for 21-22 - silly to have left HC where he could play 20-21, get his degree and use his 5th year as a grad transfer. I don't understand his strategy. I think he can still get a waiver based on his circumstances (which would include new coach at HC) and have two years left to play at his new school. Not sure if he will get said waiver. Also not a good sign that he hasn’t landed somewhere yet.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 8, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -5
Might he exit the portal and return to HC?
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Post by trimster on Jun 8, 2020 9:38:18 GMT -5
Might he exit the portal and return to HC? That was what I was suggesting above. Seems like it would be the proverbial win/win for both parties assuming they are still on amicable terms. HC gets to use a scholarship that might go unused next season and bolsters what looks like a thin front court at the 4-5 spots. (Gates will help greatly in practice but can’t play in games next year.) Niego earns his HC degree and if he plays well, becomes a strong candidate for a post grad year elsewhere while working on a Master’s Degree.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 8, 2020 10:32:35 GMT -5
Not really sure why HC would want Niego back at this point. He is not going to move the needle in terms of making any type of significant impact on our results next year (e.g. we do not become a PL contender with him), and he made the decision to leave the program.
I'd rather see those game minutes going to Martindale, Louth, and Rabinovich, and 1st/2nd team practice minutes going to those three plus Gates. Those are the guys who are actually going to give us a chance to turn this program around over the next 2-3-4 years.
If a guy like Pridgen had a come to Jesus moment and wanted to fully re-commit himself to the program, that might be worth taking a detour from the rebuild with the guys who want to be at HC. Niego is not that caliber of player.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 8, 2020 10:37:25 GMT -5
Might he exit the portal and return to HC? That was what I was suggesting above. Seems like it would be the proverbial win/win for both parties assuming they are still on amicable terms. HC gets to use a scholarship that might go unused next season and bolsters what looks like a thin front court at the 4-5 spots. (Gates will help greatly in practice but can’t play in games next year.) Niego earns his HC degree and if he plays well, becomes a strong candidate for a post grad year elsewhere while working on a Master’s Degree. Your glass is half full, I like it. That's the approach the N.E.Patriots used with linebacker Dont'a Hightower and other free agents. Go out and shop the market with the welcome mat still out for you here if you decide you want to stay for what we can offer. In Niego's case there shouldn't be any animosity.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 8, 2020 11:29:42 GMT -5
I hope not.
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Post by trimster on Jun 8, 2020 11:36:59 GMT -5
Not really sure why HC would want Niego back at this point. He is not going to move the needle in terms of making any type of significant impact on our results next year (e.g. we do not become a PL contender with him), and he made the decision to leave the program. I'd rather see those game minutes going to Martindale, Louth, and Rabinovich, and 1st/2nd team practice minutes going to those three plus Gates. Those are the guys who are actually going to give us a chance to turn this program around over the next 2-3-4 years. If a guy like Pridgen had a come to Jesus moment and wanted to fully re-commit himself to the program, that might be worth taking a detour from the rebuild with the guys who want to be at HC. Niego is not that caliber of player. If Martindale can play the 4 spot, I agree but my impression of him from watching a couple of WA’s games is he is a small forward and if he were to play another position, it would be the 2, not the 4. Having said that, imho we have 3 bigs not counting Gates. Two of them are unknowns at the college level and the third has been very foul prone in his first 3 years. Even if the frosh far exceed expectations, the one place we will be thin at is in the paint. An injury or two there would make us paper thin. If Gates were eligible, I’d feel very different but he isn’t so I am all in on Niego returning.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 8, 2020 12:13:45 GMT -5
Not really sure why HC would want Niego back at this point. He is not going to move the needle in terms of making any type of significant impact on our results next year (e.g. we do not become a PL contender with him), and he made the decision to leave the program. I'd rather see those game minutes going to Martindale, Louth, and Rabinovich, and 1st/2nd team practice minutes going to those three plus Gates. Those are the guys who are actually going to give us a chance to turn this program around over the next 2-3-4 years. If a guy like Pridgen had a come to Jesus moment and wanted to fully re-commit himself to the program, that might be worth taking a detour from the rebuild with the guys who want to be at HC. Niego is not that caliber of player. If Martindale can play the 4 spot, I agree but my impression of him from watching a couple of WA’s games is he is a small forward and if he were to play another position, it would be the 2, not the 4. Having said that, imho we have 3 bigs not counting Gates. Two of them are unknowns at the college level and the third has been very foul prone in his first 3 years. Even if the frosh far exceed expectations, the one place we will be thin at is in the paint. An injury or two there would make us paper thin. If Gates were eligible, I’d feel very different but he isn’t so I am all in on Niego returning. Sure, Martindale may not be a traditional 4, but neither is Niego. if we want to go "small" with a stretch player at the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Martindale. If we are looking to have paint play out of the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Louth & Rabinovich. If Faw can make a jump to 30 (ideally +) minutes per game, that leaves 50 minutes to fill at the 4-5: --Rabinovich: 20-22 mins --Louth: 20-22 mins --Martindale: 5-10 mins
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Post by cmo on Jun 8, 2020 14:57:53 GMT -5
This has probably been discussed, but is there any way for Gates to play next year?
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Post by trimster on Jun 8, 2020 15:01:58 GMT -5
If Martindale can play the 4 spot, I agree but my impression of him from watching a couple of WA’s games is he is a small forward and if he were to play another position, it would be the 2, not the 4. Having said that, imho we have 3 bigs not counting Gates. Two of them are unknowns at the college level and the third has been very foul prone in his first 3 years. Even if the frosh far exceed expectations, the one place we will be thin at is in the paint. An injury or two there would make us paper thin. If Gates were eligible, I’d feel very different but he isn’t so I am all in on Niego returning. Sure, Martindale may not be a traditional 4, but neither is Niego. if we want to go "small" with a stretch player at the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Martindale. If we are looking to have paint play out of the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Louth & Rabinovich. If Faw can make a jump to 30 (ideally +) minutes per game, that leaves 50 minutes to fill at the 4-5: --Rabinovich: 20-22 mins --Louth: 20-22 mins --Martindale: 5-10 mins I was very impressed by what Faw was able to do last season but to expect him to play 30+ minutes, given his propensity to foul, isn’t realistic.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 8, 2020 15:07:22 GMT -5
This has probably been discussed, but is there any way for Gates to play next year? No
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 8, 2020 16:25:57 GMT -5
Sure, Martindale may not be a traditional 4, but neither is Niego. if we want to go "small" with a stretch player at the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Martindale. If we are looking to have paint play out of the 4, I'd rather see the minutes go to Louth & Rabinovich. If Faw can make a jump to 30 (ideally +) minutes per game, that leaves 50 minutes to fill at the 4-5: --Rabinovich: 20-22 mins --Louth: 20-22 mins --Martindale: 5-10 mins I was very impressed by what Faw was able to do last season but to expect him to play 30+ minutes, given his propensity to foul, isn’t realistic. A man can dream, right? If we wanted to be very optimistic using a relatively small sample size, he did play 30+ mins in 4 of the final 6 games last year, including getting up to 34 in two of those games.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 8, 2020 16:38:22 GMT -5
It seems like Faw has gotten better with the fouls each year. It would not shock me if he is able to stay on the floor as a senior. He used to get called for a ton of seemingly ticky tack fouls. Didn’t seem to happen as much last year but maybe I was just too busy punching the computer screen to notice.
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