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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2021 9:05:08 GMT -5
All of this is not healthy for college basketball - need to reinstate the one year ‘sit’ provision for transfers - no such issue this off-season is clearly causing the spike in players moving on
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Post by Tom on Apr 2, 2021 10:05:38 GMT -5
I agree that there one year sit out rule should not be done away with. This craziness is going on with the rule in place. Right now there is some serious and perhaps valid speculation the rule will be done away with, but as of right now, these transfers are still subject to the old rule. Imagine how crazy things will be when it's actually gone.
I also think there's a life lesson in there too (this is college, there are lessons to be learned other than basketball). A person's commitment should mean something . Not frequently enough in the real world, but sometimes backing out of a commitment has a consequence. I know these are teenagers and anybody can pick a college that's wrong for them, but sitting out one year is a pretty minor consequence - especially if a life lesson comes out of it. Frankly the requirement to sit a year is so minor a guy like Caleb Green can think it's a positive and get an extra year of free education.
One disclaimer: I have no clue what percentage of this transfer spike is caused by guys like Austin and Matt who are just using their free year of eligibility
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 2, 2021 15:05:54 GMT -5
Maybe some colleges will start to add a non-compete clause into scholarship offers...I have no clue if it would be legal, and how it would be enforced...could players then negotiate out of the clause? All kinds of scenarios. Maybe the accepting school pays the new players former school for the room and board he had...
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2021 15:49:58 GMT -5
I have wondered about that. It could make some schools think twice about transfers. However, it seems from sportscasters over the last two days that the universities are making "billions" off their athletes (at least that is what is being claimed to allow athlete compensation). I wonder how most colleges manage to lose money on football and other revenue sports (primarily basketball). The presentation to the supreme court has been IMHO very slanted. Some colleges coaches are clearly "overpaid" compared to the bulk of people in the profession and a very few do make far more than almost everyone else - but it is not at the expense of athletes. Has anyone brought up the idea that "salary" paid to athletes in lieu of a scholarship can be seen as taxable income? Many athletes could come out with smaller benefits if this change goes through. Plus, I am really fed up with the pronouncements of sportscasters who bemoan the way the poor athlete is being put upon. Please stop it. If hey want to cite an anecdote to make a point - do it, but don't try to paint all colleges with the same brush.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 15:58:57 GMT -5
I agree that there one year sit out rule should not be done away with. This craziness is going on with the rule in place. Right now there is some serious and perhaps valid speculation the rule will be done away with, but as of right now, these transfers are still subject to the old rule. Imagine how crazy things will be when it's actually gone. I also think there's a life lesson in there too (this is college, there are lessons to be learned other than basketball). A person's commitment should mean something . Not frequently enough in the real world, but sometimes backing out of a commitment has a consequence. I know these are teenagers and anybody can pick a college that's wrong for them, but sitting out one year is a pretty minor consequence - especially if a life lesson comes out of it. Frankly the requirement to sit a year is so minor a guy like Caleb Green can think it's a positive and get an extra year of free education. One disclaimer: I have no clue what percentage of this transfer spike is caused by guys like Austin and Matt who are just using their free year of eligibility Do you make an exception for student athletes faced with a new head coach who has a long term contract but is too impatient to let the rebuild happen over time and decides, with the AD's support to blow the team up his first year?
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Post by mm67 on Apr 2, 2021 16:12:55 GMT -5
Maybe some colleges will start to add a non-compete clause into scholarship offers...I have no clue if it would be legal, and how it would be enforced...could players then negotiate out of the clause? All kinds of scenarios. Maybe the accepting school pays the new players former school for the room and board he had... Di Sounds like a good idea. However I think you concerns are well founded. Thought about it.I would expect students not to choose schools with a non-compete clause. There would be a mad dash by some schools(Kentucky, Duke,etc) to offer scholarships without the non-compete stricture. If all NCAA member schools adopted a non-compete policy. then they would open themselves up to lawsuits claiming the NCAA was engaged in monopolistic practices in restraint of free trade. Can see student - athletes testifying in court about being "shackled" by the NCAA and denied their opportunity to "freely" pursue their career path by the NCAA. Dramatic interviews of the kids would be widely aired in the media. Terrible publicity for the NCAA. No doubt I agree with you that non-compete would provide needed stability but I suspect there might be major roadblocks.
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Post by possum on Apr 2, 2021 16:56:51 GMT -5
Don't understand why NCAA is going to the one free transfer rule. It's going to make an already bad situation worse, do they want the low and mid majors to act as a feeding ground for the power conferences, it makes no sense. It would also be better for the game if players could go right to the NBA as it would do away with the one and done players who don't want to be in school anyway. As far as new coaches blowing up a roster, I have no problem with a coach doing what he thinks he needs to do to develop a winning program as quickly as possible. Would Nelson have taken the job if he was told he had to live with the current roster until everyone graduated, don't know.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2021 17:19:33 GMT -5
I remember Bill Willoughby (East Rutherford H,S.) who went straight to the NBA. It screwed up his life and he was not alone in that...hence the 1 year requirement. Now I support letting them mess up their lives if they wish by going straight to the NBA (instead of a make-believe two semesters in college or a year overseas). Let them go and let's see how college amateur sports survives.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 2, 2021 17:19:43 GMT -5
As I've stated before, with this era of free agency, I'd make the standard coaching contract 6 years; the first year is becoming the equivalent of a program "death penalty" in many instances.
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Post by trimster on Apr 2, 2021 18:11:26 GMT -5
As I've stated before, with this era of free agency, I'd make the standard coaching contract 6 years; the first year is becoming the equivalent of a program "death penalty" in many instances. It appears that is happening with the University of Portland program. Fourteen players in the portal. The number of programs with 5-7 players in the portal is staggering.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 18:17:19 GMT -5
As I've stated before, with this era of free agency, I'd make the standard coaching contract 6 years; the first year is becoming the equivalent of a program "death penalty" in many instances. Tie the coach's contract to the AD's contract. If the Coach fails and gets fired and collects his salary for six years, the AD salary is reduced to minimum wage through the end of the six year coach's contract.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2021 18:17:37 GMT -5
I guess HC was just a year ahead of this Transfer Portal game...cutting edge?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 18:19:21 GMT -5
I guess HC was just a year ahead of this Transfer Portal game...cutting edge? No, we fell off the edge.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2021 18:21:03 GMT -5
...and many other colleges seem to be following us.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 18:31:58 GMT -5
What pols call a race to the bottom. But HC M&W BB have lost no undergrads so far this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2021 18:52:30 GMT -5
Why specify undergrads? Does HC have grad athletes for our non-existent graduate programs?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 20:25:27 GMT -5
Why specify undergrads? Does HC have grad athletes for our non-existent graduate programs? Read your Holy Cross magazine. Holy Cross has offered a PhD in Sports blather for years now. Actually, by saying undergraduate I was differentiating from our two grad transfers out who we are all proud of. To really pick a nit, the two seniors aren't transfers at all. They are graduates from HC and graduate students at UNC and NJIT.
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Post by Tom on Apr 3, 2021 8:27:06 GMT -5
I agree that there one year sit out rule should not be done away with. This craziness is going on with the rule in place. Right now there is some serious and perhaps valid speculation the rule will be done away with, but as of right now, these transfers are still subject to the old rule. Imagine how crazy things will be when it's actually gone. I also think there's a life lesson in there too (this is college, there are lessons to be learned other than basketball). A person's commitment should mean something . Not frequently enough in the real world, but sometimes backing out of a commitment has a consequence. I know these are teenagers and anybody can pick a college that's wrong for them, but sitting out one year is a pretty minor consequence - especially if a life lesson comes out of it. Frankly the requirement to sit a year is so minor a guy like Caleb Green can think it's a positive and get an extra year of free education. One disclaimer: I have no clue what percentage of this transfer spike is caused by guys like Austin and Matt who are just using their free year of eligibility Do you make an exception for student athletes faced with a new head coach who has a long term contract but is too impatient to let the rebuild happen over time and decides, with the AD's support to blow the team up his first year? I would not make an exception for a new coach. If a coach is blowing a team up by running players off the team, I suppose I would make an exception. It kind of comes down to what is meant by "blowing a team up"
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Post by efg72 on Apr 3, 2021 8:40:00 GMT -5
Some could say we know first hand what that looks like
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Post by trimster on Apr 5, 2021 16:44:39 GMT -5
The Transfer Portal hit 1200 in the last hour. Currently has 1206 names.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 5, 2021 17:58:27 GMT -5
Got a kick out of this one today:
hchoops said it best: college basketball is diseased
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Post by HC92 on Apr 5, 2021 18:26:13 GMT -5
As I've stated before, with this era of free agency, I'd make the standard coaching contract 6 years; the first year is becoming the equivalent of a program "death penalty" in many instances. It appears that is happening with the University of Portland program. Fourteen players in the portal. The number of programs with 5-7 players in the portal is staggering. Turns out nightly riots aren’t the draw they once were.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 5, 2021 19:21:35 GMT -5
Very, very funny!
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Post by hchoops on Apr 6, 2021 12:11:33 GMT -5
Josh Carlton, son of HC grad, James, is transferring from UConn to Houston
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Post by timholycross on Apr 6, 2021 12:24:17 GMT -5
Josh Carlton, son of HC grad, James, is transferring from UConn to Houston Grad transfer (5th year due to pandemic), backup center this year. Apparently Houston needs some depth. Looks like a win for all concerned.
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