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Post by sarasota on Apr 25, 2020 10:03:18 GMT -5
If a schollie enters the portal, isn't he/she taking (in some instances) a huge financial risk that she/she can't get an athletic scholarship somewhere else? In most instances it is the PARENTS' financial risk.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 25, 2020 10:18:52 GMT -5
2000 players over this year (so far) and last = 2000 / 350 teams = 5.7 players per team. I'm sure the two year average per team will be six over the two years by the time this year's portal closes. Ridiculous. Doesn't the portal include transfers from D2 and D3? Wouldn't the denominator be much larger in that case? Effective in January, the portal is now being used in D2 (but not D3). Having said that, it is not mandatory for D2 schools to adopt it until the end of July, so there are probably some that are not using it yet. I imagine many, if not all, have adopted it by now, so your point is well taken about the denominator. Also comparisons between this year and last year's numbers are only valid if the numbers for this year are limited to D1 transfers.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 25, 2020 10:28:38 GMT -5
I'm sure that number has gone up in the last week...700 would be roughly an average of 2 players per division 1 team....That seems so absurd, I'd guess the NCAA will find a way to slow those numbers down.... Just the opposite, if they pass the play immediately transfer rule on May 20 The NCAA has delayed this vote and recommended it now take place in January.
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Post by Tom on Apr 25, 2020 11:04:43 GMT -5
If a schollie enters the portal, isn't he/she taking (in some instances) a huge financial risk that she/she can't get an athletic scholarship somewhere else? In most instances it is the PARENTS' financial risk. In many cases,yes Hard to imagine, but I think there are some unscrupulous college coaches out there. If the waiting period for transfers goes away, I would imagine that there will be some kids entering the portal who are approached before entering the portal and know they have a landing place. Worst case scenario, there isn't one scholarship kid at HC who couldn't earn a scholarship and be a real solid player at the D-II level if he can't find a D-I home
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 25, 2020 11:58:02 GMT -5
2000 players over this year (so far) and last = 2000 / 350 teams = 5.7 players per team. I'm sure the two year average per team will be six over the two years by the time this year's portal closes. Ridiculous. Doesn't the portal include transfers from D2 and D3? Wouldn't the denominator be much larger in that case? If the portal includes D2 and D3, and if ADMB's numbers were for all divisions, then the average per team would be appreciably less. Though I think most of those entering the portal are Div I. Also, 175 underclassman declared for the NBA draft in 2019, so a different kind of exit portal.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 25, 2020 13:18:55 GMT -5
Doesn't the portal include transfers from D2 and D3? Wouldn't the denominator be much larger in that case? If the portal includes D2 and D3, and if ADMB's numbers were for all divisions, then the average per team would be appreciably less. Though I think most of those entering the portal are Div I. Also, 175 underclassman declared for the NBA draft in 2019, so a different kind of exit portal. See my post above. The portal this year, for the first time, includes D2. But not D3. Since it isn't mandatory for D2 schools until July, there may be some who are not using it yet.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 25, 2020 13:19:53 GMT -5
If a schollie enters the portal, isn't he/she taking (in some instances) a huge financial risk that she/she can't get an athletic scholarship somewhere else? In most instances it is the PARENTS' financial risk. In many cases,yes Hard to imagine, but I think there are some unscrupulous college coaches out there. If the waiting period for transfers goes away, I would imagine that there will be some kids entering the portal who are approached before entering the portal and know they have a landing place. Worst case scenario, there isn't one scholarship kid at HC who couldn't earn a scholarship and be a real solid player at the D-II level if he can't find a D-I home True. Also there are lots of NAIA scholarships available.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 25, 2020 13:36:13 GMT -5
In many cases,yes Hard to imagine, but I think there are some unscrupulous college coaches out there. If the waiting period for transfers goes away, I would imagine that there will be some kids entering the portal who are approached before entering the portal and know they have a landing place. Worst case scenario, there isn't one scholarship kid at HC who couldn't earn a scholarship and be a real solid player at the D-II level if he can't find a D-I home True. Also there are lots of NAIA scholarships available. Learn something new everyday on this board. I perceive NAIA to be made up of schools generally smaller than D-3 so I would have assumed they would be non athletic scholarship. That's another nice option for student athletes. I assume remaining years of eligibility for NAIA-NCAA transfers is calculated the same as NCAA-NCAA transfers.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 25, 2020 13:44:12 GMT -5
True. Also there are lots of NAIA scholarships available. Learn something new everyday on this board. I perceive NAIA to be made up of schools generally smaller than D-3 so I would have assumed they would be non athletic scholarship. That's another nice option for student athletes. I assume remaining years of eligibility for NAIA-NCAA transfers is calculated the same as NCAA-NCAA transfers. NAIA schools in their D1 can give out up to 11 scholarships, while their D2 schools can give out six. Unlike the NCAA, their basketball teams can offer partial scholarships, and they may be combined with need-based aid. I think their eligibility rules are similar to the NCAA. There is no sit-out requirement for athletes transferring from an NCAA school.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 25, 2020 13:48:07 GMT -5
Learn something new everyday on this board. I perceive NAIA to be made up of schools generally smaller than D-3 so I would have assumed they would be non athletic scholarship. That's another nice option for student athletes. I assume remaining years of eligibility for NAIA-NCAA transfers is calculated the same as NCAA-NCAA transfers. NAIA schools in their D1 can give out up to 11 scholarships, while their D2 schools can give out six. Unlike the NCAA, their basketball teams can offer partial scholarships, and they may be combined with need-based aid. I think their eligibility rules are similar to the NCAA. There is no sit-out requirement for athletes transferring from an NCAA school. I am pre-disposed to like any small competitor to a large near monopoly, so I am glad there is an NAIA for schools that choose it.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 25, 2020 17:57:40 GMT -5
Just the opposite, if they pass the play immediately transfer rule on May 20 The NCAA has delayed this vote and recommended it now take place in January. Not definite
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Post by notjuanjones on Apr 25, 2020 19:01:33 GMT -5
James Karnik (ex-Lehigh) to BC, per Jeff Goodman.
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 25, 2020 21:42:20 GMT -5
Agree 1000% with Matt Painter’s comments in the Adam Zagoria post about immediate transfer eligibility.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 26, 2020 9:36:45 GMT -5
This idea is a total overreaction to the argument that players should have freedom of movement from their college because coaches do and as we know frequently jump - just a foolish rationale
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Post by timholycross on Apr 26, 2020 19:39:33 GMT -5
At one point, NAIA was on a par with D2, but most say it's now D3 level. And NAIA's lower division would be lower than that. Last two NBA players appear to have been Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman back in the 80s
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Post by notjuanjones on Apr 28, 2020 12:33:07 GMT -5
Bucknell's Kahliel Spear transferring to Robert Morris, per Jon Rothstein.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 28, 2020 12:38:05 GMT -5
Bucknell's Kahliel Spear transferring to Robert Morris, per Jon Rothstein. Under the heading Misery loves company
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Post by dharry13 on Apr 28, 2020 13:03:43 GMT -5
Jeez. Giving up a Bucknell degree for a Robert Morris degree. Wow. Unless of course he fulfilled his graduation requirements at Bucknell and is performing as a Grad transfer (no clue if RM has a grad school). Granted I have absolutely no clue of the circumstances surrounding Spear, but when I look at this from my seat I'll never understand these decisions.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 28, 2020 13:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Apr 28, 2020 13:48:08 GMT -5
Sotos was a significant loss. Spear definitely not a significant loss. It was questionable whether he would even have been in the rotation this year. Good rebounder but can't shoot (35% career FT shooter, for example), has no offensive moves, and can't stay in front of forwards defensively. This year, out of necessity, he functioned as the backup center - but not really big enough at 6-7. With the addition of Andre Screen, he likely would have fallen into the role of 3rd string center.
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Post by cmo on Apr 28, 2020 16:20:35 GMT -5
Can’t make this stuff up 😂
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 28, 2020 18:31:07 GMT -5
Two defections? Yawn.
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Post by res on Apr 28, 2020 18:58:02 GMT -5
Two defections and a fire the coach thread. We're catching up.
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Post by classof83 on Apr 28, 2020 19:06:49 GMT -5
His Bio says he was on the 2019 PL academic honor roll. Presumably academics was important to him, so a move to Robert Morris is puzzling. He is from Texas so it is not a move to get closer to home.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 28, 2020 19:10:29 GMT -5
Basketball is the sole reason for 99% of transfers. It could be a misreading of their ability, but hoops is the only reason.
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