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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2020 19:11:36 GMT -5
I wonder if AM is working from home, or coming in like Coach Chesney is doing, and actively managing the program while she is still on staff or if for all practical purposes she has been let go and there is no one actively managing the program. I hope it is the former.
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Post by bkny on Apr 3, 2020 19:29:40 GMT -5
The HC ‘21 class will call for only 2 recruits. If that ‘interim’ tag would have been removed during the season, those 2 spots as well as the 5th ‘20 spot would have been in the books already.
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Post by HC13 on Apr 3, 2020 20:09:49 GMT -5
The HC ‘21 class will call for only 2 recruits. If that ‘interim’ tag would have been removed during the season, those 2 spots as well as the 5th ‘20 spot would have been in the books already. However, they're not. With the number of injuries in the rising Jr & Senior classes, I would hope they increase the number of scholarship players not decrease them.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2020 20:28:13 GMT -5
If we have an open scholarship for the 20-21 season, maybe we will get lucky and be able to take in another talented player like Avery who becomes disillusioned elsewhere. The uncertainties generated by coronavirus could cause misunderstandings and disillusionments, and even some shaky ground for D-1 schools who were struggling before the virus or will be after.
It's not the worst season to have an available slot in the back pocket.
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Post by HCFC45 on Apr 3, 2020 20:31:56 GMT -5
Karen Aston from Texas is a available after being dismissed... however we cannot afford her $800,000.00 salary!
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2020 20:54:45 GMT -5
Karen Aston from Texas is a available after being dismissed... however we cannot afford her $800,000.00 salary! She signed a three year extension in 2016 that expires in August with a base salary of $515,000. The additional compensation must be from sneaker and apparel contracts, camps, supplemental retirement plan, etc. I'm not looking for a coaching change, but if we have one I'd rather have a scrappy winning coach on the way up, not the way down.
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Post by HC13 on Apr 3, 2020 21:18:20 GMT -5
Ah, on the way down? she averaged 23 wins a season @ UT. She appears to been not extended due to her lack of success against Baylor
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2020 23:50:54 GMT -5
Good point. I didn't look at her record. Ms. Aston is not on the way down. I disliked the concept of HC paying anywhere close to $800,000 per year to anyone. If HC has a transformational coach in a major revenue sport and he or she wants to grow with the program and it's revenues at Holy Cross, like the case with Gonzaga MBB, I can see stretching to keep that person.
But if a new WBB coach is hired, I see the logic in going with an up and coming coach who has built a winning program at a lower level. If we want a veteran winning coach, why not stick with AM?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 4, 2020 6:52:13 GMT -5
Good question? I still find it hard got believe that HC would have opened this whole can of worms without someone already in mind...but that is simply my personal opinion.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 14:51:19 GMT -5
Could ADMB be seeing red brake lights flashing in front of him in the line of command at HC:
"You want to commit how much in salary, benefits and relocation expense for a new coaching staff when we have a winning staff in place?!"
HC has no revenue coming in, is paying out room and board refunds, returning deposits on Hogan Center and ice rink rentals, keeping all staff on salary, managing two half built new buildings, girding for the second quarter endowment performance report and reviewing the extra financial aid it had to give in 2008-09 and doubling that amount for September 2020.
I wouldn't be surprised if AM is back next season and with the job market the way it is, DP right beside her.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 4, 2020 15:12:54 GMT -5
Doubt it ! 3rd paragraph above is totally irrelevant unless you’re taking about dropping the program. Contracts for all on the staff expire on June 30th (I think) and you bring in a new staff in May - so the only expense might be one or two months of paying both staffs - relocation expense is an unknown. MB will find a good one I hope
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 15:20:50 GMT -5
Do you think HC has a formal or informal hiring freeze in place now?
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Post by timholycross on Apr 4, 2020 16:30:49 GMT -5
Don't see any reason DP would be back, AM or no AM.
Faulkner perhaps, given that no one knows what happened to her.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 4, 2020 18:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 21:08:52 GMT -5
HC shows up with no exceptions or conditions. I wonder if HC will let existing contracts end in June and wait until there is visibility about whether next season will happen before hiring a new staff. Sounds extreme but HC doesn't have a currency printing press in the sub basement of O'Kane next to the Elongator Machine.
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Post by HC13 on Apr 4, 2020 21:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 22:09:39 GMT -5
Critical is a high standard to meet. But the job opening isn't until June 30th. It will be interesting to see what happens. If any of the fall, winter or spring 2020-21 sports can not be played it will also be interesting to see what happens to that season's athletic scholarships. On one hand the season cancellation will not be the student athlete's fault, on the other hand it won't be the college's fault either.
Spring 2020 scholarships were honored of course as the season cancellation came out of the blue. With more notice, I wonder if some colleges will negotiate a year's deferral of scholarships. The student athlete would have the option of continuing in school for that year or semester and pay whatever the net after financial aid cost would be, or withdraw for a year or a semester and defer the scholarship until the sport can be played again. Cruel from one viewpoint, fair from another.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2020 22:34:02 GMT -5
I just read the link you provided. Thank you. One concept I have thought about is an employer like HC duplicating or competing with the enhanced unemployment compensation component of the Two Trillion Dollar stimulus bill. What I mean is a worker in Food Services or the library may have no work to do between April 1st and June 30th. With the extra $600 per week in unemployment compensation, he or she may make about the same as they make at HC from unemployment, and receiving their accrued vacation time in cash at time of furlough/lay off could give them more income for the quarter than HC will pay. But standing on principle, HC is committed to paying every employee their full pay for the quarter. It's like someone being eligible for a government program designed to help them and turning it down out of pride. On the other hand, the stimulus package is complicated and HC may need to retain employees to be eligible for assistance from the federal government themselves. IDK.
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Post by alum on Apr 5, 2020 5:36:16 GMT -5
I just read the link you provided. Thank you. One concept I have thought about is an employer like HC duplicating or competing with the enhanced unemployment compensation component of the Two Trillion Dollar stimulus bill. What I mean is a worker in Food Services or the library may have no work to do between April 1st and June 30th. With the extra $600 per week in unemployment compensation, he or she may make about the same as they make at HC from unemployment, and receiving their accrued vacation time in cash at time of furlough/lay off could give them more income for the quarter than HC will pay. But standing on principle, HC is committed to paying every employee their full pay for the quarter. It's like someone being eligible for a government program designed to help them and turning it down out of pride. On the other hand, the stimulus package is complicated and HC may need to retain employees to be eligible for assistance from the federal government themselves. IDK. The way in which nonprofits pay for unemployment coverage affects decisions about whether to keep employees on the payroll. Most employers pay a small percentage of their payroll in state and federal unemployment taxes. Although the rate can rise retrospectively if there are a large number of claims, it really acts as insurance. In good times, payments are made that are not utilized and in bad times employees will receive a lot more than an employer has paid into the system. Non profits can be treated differently. They can elect to not pay the unemployment taxes but then are essentially "self insured" for claims if they arise. The state will bill them for all claims paid. Therefore, a non profit's calculation as to whether to keep employees on the books shifts if they are going to be reimbursing 50 to 60% of the payroll anyway. I have no way of knowing how HC handles this issue. The good news is that the enhanced benefits provide by the recent legislation are not charged to the non profit employer's rate as those are fully paid by the feds and need not be reimbursed. I know I am off topic and these concepts are less relevant to higher paid employees given the relatively low maximum for unemployment benefits.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 5, 2020 7:37:55 GMT -5
I doubt very much the women's basketball head coach would be viewed as a critical position. There is an incumbent, so it is not as if there is an actual vacancy.
Speculating, the college may decide to stay as is for a year. I very much doubt that the college would spring the money to bump up the compensation of a new head coach, and a new group of assistants. Remember, one part of BG's complaint was that the college wanted to pay less money for the WBB head coach, and he was too expensive and thus was being ushered out the door.
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Post by lou on Apr 5, 2020 8:27:03 GMT -5
No idea what HC pays, but certainly possible to hire a new coach for the salary that was paid during this past season
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Post by timholycross on Apr 5, 2020 9:07:16 GMT -5
It's certainly not a priority now, but hopefully the school, the athletic department, the Patriot League and the NCAA fully understand the ramifications of no football (and no basketball, theoretically) and academic progress continuing at the normal rate.
Let's say that happens. In 2021-2, if there weren't modifications, we (and a lot of other places) would have no real seniors on the football team; only seniors who, football wise, were really juniors.
Basketball would be worse in terms of experience. Faw and Butler would be gone, Niego might be there. Copeland as well, although the odds on him being around are pretty remote. The senior class would consist of D.J. Hart and the juco transfer, who'd have had no college basketball playing experience.
Down the road, there would be a ton of grad transfers because Holy Cross has no grad schools.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2020 10:43:17 GMT -5
No idea what HC pays, but certainly possible to hire a new coach for the salary that was paid during this past season It's the multi-year commitment of a new contract that is hard to absorb in such uncertain times. Unwittingly HC has a current head coaching contract status that is attractive in this specific situation. As someone who has formed an opinion that guaranteed contracts generally do more harm than good for mid majors, I wonder if one year coaching contracts will become more prevalent in the lower levels after the coronavirus disruption.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 5, 2020 10:47:05 GMT -5
No idea what HC pays, but certainly possible to hire a new coach for the salary that was paid during this past season It's the multi-year commitment of a new contract that is hard to absorb in such uncertain times. Unwittingly HC has a current head coaching contract status that is attractive in this specific situation. As someone who has formed an opinion that guaranteed contracts generally do more harm than good for mid majors, I wonder if one year coaching contracts will become more prevalent in the lower levels after the coronavirus disruption. Either everyone would have to do it or no one would do it. Puts you at a massive competitive disadvantage when it comes to recruiting if your coach is in the final year of his contract and is trying to compete with coaches who have 5-year deals.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 5, 2020 11:05:10 GMT -5
A coach who is an employee at will and has a 95-60 w/l record has more job security and recruiting credibility than a coach with a 60-95 record and four years left on his contract, imo. Although there aren't many real world examples to judge by.
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