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Post by hchoops on Sept 11, 2016 7:36:20 GMT -5
UNH did not look like a playoff team last night, especially their pass defense. 427 yards !
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Post by jflare on Sept 11, 2016 7:38:12 GMT -5
Are there any links to Gilmore Post game? We used to have interviews after the game on the HC site. Have not seen any since 2014 ? Pressers etc. Channel 3 reports during the week with Gilmore up on our site. Where is all this now? Do not see it anywhere. Anyone have some help here.
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Post by joe on Sept 11, 2016 7:40:41 GMT -5
Play calling was appropriate except for a few clunkers. Much improved with Rock as OC. It's not a few bad calls that's annoying. It's that the same darned bad call keeps getting called, game aftter game, year after year, involving the same player who, while talented, cannot get the job done on that particular play. Why gripe- because given the circumstances, the game was winnable. Although, truth be told, if you told me that the other team would torch HC's defense so many times, I would tell you that winning was impossible. The only saving grace was that on a lot of possessions, the defense wasn't out there that long; maybe that's why they had something left in the tank to make one or two stops late in the game. I think both teams torched each other's defenses more than once. In terms of a power back, I've been harping on this for 10 years and I was delighted to see that we have addressed this need with recruiting. Whether or not these guys will be immediate contributors is unknown. It's not the NFL where we can trade:) Many of the no gainers would have been no gainers even if Tom Rathman was running the ball. No holes. On the other end we stuffed their runs multiple times as well.
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Post by jflare on Sept 11, 2016 7:46:11 GMT -5
These errors that keep happening are always discussed by the staff as "correctable" errors. The maddening thing is that they never get corrected.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 11, 2016 7:48:33 GMT -5
It's not a few bad calls that's annoying. It's that the same darned bad call keeps getting called, game aftter game, year after year, involving the same player who, while talented, cannot get the job done on that particular play. Why gripe- because given the circumstances, the game was winnable. Although, truth be told, if you told me that the other team would torch HC's defense so many times, I would tell you that winning was impossible. The only saving grace was that on a lot of possessions, the defense wasn't out there that long; maybe that's why they had something left in the tank to make one or two stops late in the game. I think both teams torched each other's defenses more than once. In terms of a power back, I've been harping on this for 10 years and I was delighted to see that we have addressed this need with recruiting. Whether or not these guys will be immediate contributors is unknown. It's not the NFL where we can trade:) Many of the no gainers would have been no gainers even if Tom Rathman was running the ball. No holes. On the other end we stuffed their runs multiple times as well. UNH ran for 362, SEVEN yards per rush. We obviously did not stuff them enough.
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Post by joe on Sept 11, 2016 7:53:34 GMT -5
True. A lot of that was the "big plays." If we're talking about trends this is the one to maybe focus on. This has been and on and off problem since 1992 or so. Many games hard fought but lost on a few big plays.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 11, 2016 8:01:27 GMT -5
The run defense is awful. We need to recruit better athletes or we are going to get killed in the next few years with teams like, UConn, Boston College, Navy & Syracuse. As in the past few years we have had problems with teams like Harvard and with Yale coming on the schedule we could be in big trouble. One of the main problems that I hear is that many athletes want to come to Holy Cross but they cant get into the school. It's time to give some of these athletes a chance they may surprise and could be great student athletes.
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Post by lou on Sept 11, 2016 8:12:03 GMT -5
If you were listening to these announcers you would have thought that along with the new stadium, UNH had just started a football program. True freshman, quarterback's first year at the helm, blah, blah. This is UNH, been to the tourney a bunch of years straight. Injuries happen, but we sorely missed Guild and Flaherty, couple of our best offensive players. When UNH figured out we could no longer run the ball, game was over. If they didn't turn over twice within 1 yard line, this is a real blow out
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 11, 2016 8:27:35 GMT -5
Play calling was appropriate except for a few clunkers. Much improved with Rock as OC. It's not a few bad calls that's annoying. It's that the same darned bad call keeps getting called, game aftter game, year after year, involving the same player who, while talented, cannot get the job done on that particular play. Tim, I feel clueless here, but what call/play are you speaking about?
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Post by unhfan on Sept 11, 2016 8:36:28 GMT -5
If you were listening to these announcers you would have thought that along with the new stadium, UNH had just started a football program. True freshman, quarterback's first year at the helm, blah, blah. This is UNH, been to the tourney a bunch of years straight. Injuries happen, but we sorely missed Guild and Flaherty, couple of our best offensive players. When UNH figured out we could no longer run the ball, game was over. If they didn't turn over twice within 1 yard line, this is a real blow out The CAA is the 2nd best league in the FCS and is this is the youngest UNH team we've had in years. We're playing a sophomore at qb along with several true freshmen. This is the year many have felt that the nation leading playoff streak could end while others feel we'll continue to improve and with talent we will be playing in December again. It looks like you guys are set up for a run this year as you have so many seniors on your roster. I think you guys will compete in the PL! Interested how you do against an improved Albany next week.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 11, 2016 8:40:41 GMT -5
A few observations from someone who does not follow as closely as many others here.
Regarding the announcers: can't speak for the PBP guy, but I have heard the color guy on some ESPN3 online games from other leagues (the FBS MAC for one). Like sports talk shows for me lately, after about 15 minutes I'm ready to flip the channel.
The key of the game for me was the failure to stop them on that 3rd and long up 14-0. Give the ball back to PP with a chance to go up 21-0 and who knows.
No one can deny the tacking was awful. Having said that, is it me, or does it seem like more and more (particularly in FCS) these games have become back and forth affairs over the last several years? Seem like very few teams can consistently get stops.
One can see the difference now in having schollies. Did not realize the receiving corps was that deep. McBeast is indeed a beast.
Guild's absence really hurt in the second half - thought he could have helped move the chains when they really need to be moved.
I think it's certainly fair to question the coaching (heck, I thought it was ok to question BCarm last year at times). Still, I think you need to see how well UNH does.....they could end up being very good. Will the team respond positively and build off of the positives (and improve on the negatives)? Guess we have to wait and see.
At the very least, Peter Pujals is worth the price of admission, and I am looking forward to getting out for the Dartmouth game.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 11, 2016 8:43:24 GMT -5
UNHfan, by the way, is one of the classier visiting posters that has graced our board; always respectful and thoughtful.....good luck the rest of the way; make this game look like a really "good" loss come playoff selection time.
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Post by Xmassader on Sept 11, 2016 8:44:07 GMT -5
Saw only the box score and last 5 minutes of the game so unfair of me to comment on the overall offensive/defensive performance. However, defense made 2 excellent stops in last 5 minutes---causing the UNH QB to fumble at the 2 and get the touchback and then stopping UNH on downs with about 2:24 to go after being stopped on the 4th and 1. As others have said earlier in the thread, the call on 4th and 1 was mystifying. We lined up in a Power I formation, UNH calls a TO, we come back in the Power I and run the ball up the middle. Don't understand the call at all with Guild out. Either spread out and do the quick short pass or run a fake up the middle and run to the wide (bottom of the video screen) side of the field. Although this game ended up with an 11 pt. margin, it really was another 7 pt. or less margin game where we were on the short end. As pointed out by previous posters, many of the same strengths and weaknesses of the last 7-8 years re-surfaced in this game. Was hoping that we'd get over the hump in this game and this yr. with 4 schollie classes and a sr. QB. Let's see what happens with Harvard, Dartmouth and in the PL season. Hopefully, this program can start winning (not just being competitive in) games with quality opponents and winning PL championships and getting to the playoffs. These next 9 games should be very enlightening about the direction of the program.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 11, 2016 8:57:35 GMT -5
Xmassader, Nice commentary (by someone who did not get to see most of the game). Keep it up!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 11, 2016 9:10:22 GMT -5
The key to the game was HC's inability to stop the big play. Whether there is an overall lack of speed in the secondary/linebackers or simply being a step slow in play recognition, I don't know. Poor tackling was some of it, but the poor tackling was in part due to being a half step slow in closing on the runner.
Statistics-wise, HC offense was as good as San Diego State against UNH, and SDSU is on the cusp of a top 25 team. San Diego State beat Cal Berkeley yesterday. ____________________________________________________ UNH's 'big' plays:
1Q 3 and 11, rush for 38
2Q 1 and 10, rush for 51 TD, nullified by penalty
1 and 15, rush for 56, TD (back-to-back, that was particularly galling)
3Q 1 and 10, pass for 37
2 and 10, rush for 42
1 and 10, pass for 62 TD
4Q 1 and 10, rush for 39
3 and 10, rush for 20 ____________________________
252 of UNH's 362 net rushing yards came from the plays above
99 of UNH's 190 net passing yards came from the plays above.
HC was hampered by the absence of Guild and Flaherty; Walker has speed but is too under-sized to carry a running attack against a CAA team, and is not the receiving threat that Flaherty (and Guild to a lesser extent) represents coming out of the backfield. ____________________________ I am skeptical that HC will be able to recruit speed in the secondary. Those players are going elsewhere.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 11, 2016 9:22:23 GMT -5
PP A major difference with San Diego State getting 170 yards rushing in their win over UNH and HC getting 71
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Post by joe on Sept 11, 2016 9:46:22 GMT -5
Getting burned is not always about a lack of speed. From my vantage point I didn't think UNH was attacking a speed deficiency per se. Misreads, not escaping blocks, and poor tackling were what caused most of those big plays. On well read plays our secondary was step for step with the UNH receivers. Another major weakness was letting the QB escape contain. Our d line was fatigued and running past the QB when he was in the pocket and not recovering. All QB had to do was tuck and run.
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Post by 6sader7 on Sept 11, 2016 10:11:46 GMT -5
When you put up 500+ yards of total offense, and have a 21-6 lead in a football game, with turnovers being equal -- There is no excuse for losing.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 11, 2016 10:17:04 GMT -5
It's not a few bad calls that's annoying. It's that the same darned bad call keeps getting called, game aftter game, year after year, involving the same player who, while talented, cannot get the job done on that particular play. Tim, I feel clueless here, but what call/play are you speaking about? Any play that involves Diquan Walker in a short yardage situation that has him running into the middle of the line. He's not big enough/strong enough/generates momentum/finds the hole/gets enough blocking....(choose any or all of these) to get the first down. Been going on for 3 years now.
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Post by joe on Sept 11, 2016 10:23:31 GMT -5
On 4th and 1 at the end I was hoping we'd run a sneak. We did this about 400 times with Dom and never got stopped. Seems to be out of the playbook. The three man power I took too long to develop and the hole was clogged by our own players as I recall.
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Post by lou on Sept 11, 2016 10:51:06 GMT -5
The power I has worked many times, but once UNH called TO, we needed something else called. And would we actually have punted if they ruled that catch out, and it was 4th and 4 rather than 4th and 1? Before the review, it looked like the punt team came in, I was very surprised
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Post by joe on Sept 11, 2016 11:10:45 GMT -5
If I'm thinking of the same play I think the punt team coming onto the field was staged. They tried to sub the offense back on quickly and catch UNH off guard but then play was stopped for review.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 11, 2016 11:28:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't understand it with Gabe in . . . sorry, neither Gabe nor Diquan have the power on dives up the middle. They are both too light and lack strength. Not a criticism of them, a criticism of the play calling.
Yes, we missed both Brendan and Gabe on offense but we scored enough points to win if the defense could stop the big runs. You can say our DBs were fatigued but even early in the game, tackles were broken. On the flip side, we have not one runner who can run over people. Our guys are tackled by one person. Earlier in the game, we had excellent pursuit and gang tackling, less so later in the game. I think Phreek captured meaningful stats. We generally stopped the runs except for long-gainers that really skewed the per carry avg stat.
In addition to a big, power RB, I've been harping for years that our DBs need to be bigger. We still see recruits 155-170 lbs. Great for pass coverage, perhaps, but not for stopping yards after catch and/or opponent RBs who break thru the line. But, I know, those big DBs go to FBS schools (or CAA).
Haven't checked stats yet but I repeat, it was a pleasure seeing some throws to our TEs. Need to do more, especially when you have a 6'5" 270 lb. TE. Those sized TEs with teams like Harvard used to kill us. Let's unleash Lucas!
Last gripe . . . totally agree with Phreek that after Wildcats scored on a long run and called back for a penalty, they went and did it again on the very next play. Huh??!!!
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Post by lou on Sept 11, 2016 11:42:42 GMT -5
Since the announcers never mentioned it, I had to look up how big their great running back is, listed at 5'11", 204...He looked bigger
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Post by sarasota on Sept 11, 2016 11:44:52 GMT -5
Again....balanced offense against one-dimensional offense. Almost impossible for the latter to win regularly. Thus, it's strictly a COACHING issue. To get a running game you must RECRUIT and DEVELOP the right offensive linemen and running backs. Coaching change overdue. Only then will ADNP have his complete signature on our athletic program.
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