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Post by alum on Mar 23, 2021 14:30:30 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Many years (20+) ago I first heard that accepted females were far more likely to have HC as first choice than accepted males and therefore HC accepted more males than females...with an eye to a somewhat balanced enrollment. The trick, of course, is for admissions to adjust that (in one direction or another) as times change. Once HC controls for ED kids (reason number one million that ED kids are great for schools) you are not dealing with a large remainder of slots (400ish) to fill in a somewhat balanced number at HC. Putting an emphasis on ‘demonstrated interest’ during the RD process also helps greatly in this regard. Of course last year was an oddball year, but I’m certain admissions does not want to see 58-42 again and have adjusted their RD admissions accordingly. Holy Cross stresses to applicants that it tracks enthusiasm of applicants. My son who worked in admissions for a few years told me that colleges spend a lot of time trying to figure out which kids are serious and likely to attend if admitted. Apparently an important metric is whether they open emails. I am sure high school guidance counselors know all these tricks but it never hurts to remind a kid that it takes very little time to open emails, like tweets, follow schools on Instagram, etc. Somebody is watching all of that.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 23, 2021 15:13:29 GMT -5
Yes--I was in the last all-male freshman class when I entered in Sept 1971. I'd guess maybe a dozen of women transfers in the soph and junior class the next Fall when the first women freshmen matriculated I think we had about 20-25 transfer into our class of 1975, 14 in class of '74
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 23, 2021 16:50:08 GMT -5
"Demonstrated expressions of interest" are a big deal in admissions. I hadn't thought about whether they open the school's emails. Another: does an applicant (pre-pandemic) visit the school, perhaps even more then once? When my daughter was applying to colleges we visited every one at least once and made sure Admissions knew about it. When we got home she sent admissions a thank you note for their time with a photo of her wearing/holding something with the school's name on it. Conversely, I lived in VA when I applied to HC and the first time I saw the campus was when I showed up to move into my room freshman year.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 23, 2021 17:47:00 GMT -5
Will be making our first college visits with my oldest in a few weeks. Time has certainly flown. I’ll have him attach the video of him making a layup, free throw and three pointer during a timeout at some near sellout years ago to demonstrate his interest in the school. Can’t remember who we were playing or why it was so crowded. Winter homecoming maybe?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2021 19:38:55 GMT -5
Yes--I was in the last all-male freshman class when I entered in Sept 1971. I'd guess maybe a dozen of women transfers in the soph and junior class the next Fall when the first women freshmen matriculated I think we had about 20-25 transfer into our class of 1975, 14 in class of '74 Just checked my senior yearbook: 23 women in our class of 1975
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 23, 2021 21:36:49 GMT -5
WORCESTER, Mass. — When he and his male classmates talk about going to college, said Debrin Adon, it always comes down to one thing. “We’re more focused on money,” said Adon, 17, a senior at a public high school here. “Like, getting that paycheck, you know?” Whereas, “if I go to college, I’ve got to pay this much and take on all this debt.” That’s among the many reasons the number of men who go to college has for years been badly trailing the number of women who go. And the Covid-19 pandemic has abruptly thrown the ratio even more off balance. While enrollment in higher education overall fell 2.5 percent in the fall, or by more than 461,000 students compared to the fall of 2019, the decline among men was more than seven times as steep as the decline among women, according to an analysis of figures from the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center. “In a sense, we have lost a generation of men to Covid-19.” hechingerreport.org/the-pandemic-is-speeding-up-the-mass-disappearance-of-men-from-college/
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 24, 2021 6:38:23 GMT -5
WORCESTER, Mass. — When he and his male classmates talk about going to college, said Debrin Adon, it always comes down to one thing. “We’re more focused on money,” said Adon, 17, a senior at a public high school here. “Like, getting that paycheck, you know?” Whereas, “if I go to college, I’ve got to pay this much and take on all this debt.” That’s among the many reasons the number of men who go to college has for years been badly trailing the number of women who go. And the Covid-19 pandemic has abruptly thrown the ratio even more off balance. While enrollment in higher education overall fell 2.5 percent in the fall, or by more than 461,000 students compared to the fall of 2019, the decline among men was more than seven times as steep as the decline among women, according to an analysis of figures from the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center. “In a sense, we have lost a generation of men to Covid-19.” hechingerreport.org/the-pandemic-is-speeding-up-the-mass-disappearance-of-men-from-college/I believe this young man's school is adjacent to Worcester Poly Tech [WPI]; as noted above it has a 61% male enrollment
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 24, 2021 7:23:56 GMT -5
It's across the street from (Main South) and in a partnership with Clark.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2021 8:00:57 GMT -5
WORCESTER, Mass. — When he and his male classmates talk about going to college, said Debrin Adon, it always comes down to one thing. “We’re more focused on money,” said Adon, 17, a senior at a public high school here. “Like, getting that paycheck, you know?” Whereas, “if I go to college, I’ve got to pay this much and take on all this debt.” That’s among the many reasons the number of men who go to college has for years been badly trailing the number of women who go. And the Covid-19 pandemic has abruptly thrown the ratio even more off balance. While enrollment in higher education overall fell 2.5 percent in the fall, or by more than 461,000 students compared to the fall of 2019, the decline among men was more than seven times as steep as the decline among women, according to an analysis of figures from the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center. “In a sense, we have lost a generation of men to Covid-19.” hechingerreport.org/the-pandemic-is-speeding-up-the-mass-disappearance-of-men-from-college/I believe this young man's school is adjacent to Worcester Poly Tech [WPI]; as noted above it has a 61% male enrollment Interesting detail that the reaction to Covid disproportionately impacted males regarding university enrollment. Adding to the complexities in the current 2025 admissions cycle, no doubt. Stray and unrelated factoid: Just looked up MIT - their class of 2024 is 51%M and 49%F (if one can still use those genders).
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 24, 2021 12:27:37 GMT -5
I believe this young man's school is adjacent to Worcester Poly Tech [WPI]; as noted above it has a 61% male enrollment Interesting detail that the reaction to Covid disproportionately impacted males regarding university enrollment. Adding to the complexities in the current 2025 admissions cycle, no doubt. Stray and unrelated factoid: Just looked up MIT - their class of 2024 is 51%M and 49%F (if one can still use those genders). MIT though has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences which probably helps offset the engineering numbers.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 24, 2021 12:49:08 GMT -5
WPI has worked very hard to diversify its enrollment. It took decades to get nearly 40% of its student body female (during the same period where undergraduate enrollment almost doubled). As part of this movement to entice women, it is probably not a coincidence that WPI's 16th and current president is a woman named Laurie Leshin.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 24, 2021 20:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 24, 2021 23:31:09 GMT -5
A man once told me that his son, a senior at a MA public high school had been rejected by UMass/Amherst but his guidance counselor assured him that if he really wanted to go there, the guidance counselor could get him in.
Reading this thread now makes me wonder if that was UMass protecting it's admissions stats by reconsidering when a rejected applicant showed demonstrated interest.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2021 10:17:09 GMT -5
A man once told me that his son, a senior at a MA public high school had been rejected by UMass/Amherst but his guidance counselor assured him that if he really wanted to go there, the guidance counselor could get him in. Reading this thread now makes me wonder if that was UMass protecting it's admissions stats by reconsidering when a rejected applicant showed demonstrated interest. One of my best friends from HC was rejected from UMass. Could it be that some times schools see an application and say "this person clearly will not select our college-let's reject him"?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2021 10:28:55 GMT -5
A man once told me that his son, a senior at a MA public high school had been rejected by UMass/Amherst but his guidance counselor assured him that if he really wanted to go there, the guidance counselor could get him in. Reading this thread now makes me wonder if that was UMass protecting it's admissions stats by reconsidering when a rejected applicant showed demonstrated interest. One of my best friends from HC was rejected from UMass. Could it be that some times schools see an application and say "this person clearly will not select our college-let's reject him"? Not sure this applies to your friend and HC/UMass but there is a phrase for that in the admissions biz. Formally it is known as ‘yield protection’ . The kids at my school used to call it ‘tufted’ (Tufts was alleged to reject/waitlist applicants who looked like shoo-ins for H/Y/P). Google ‘Tufts Syndrome’. Things get very interesting when the ‘Tufted’ kid really really does want to go to the offending school and was waitlisted. Reason #1,000,000 waitlists are very helpful to schools.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 25, 2021 11:28:44 GMT -5
I haven't read this entire thread but is it true that HC's apps are down about 10 pct from last year and most other elite private schools are up 20-30 pct - have we drawn a conclusion 'why?'
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 25, 2021 13:03:18 GMT -5
I haven't read this entire thread but is it true that HC's apps are down about 10 pct from last year and most other elite private schools are up 20-30 pct - have we drawn a conclusion 'why?' We should get the facts before drawing any firm conclusions. right?
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Post by Chu Chu on Mar 25, 2021 14:40:07 GMT -5
I just listened to a fascinating podcast from "This AmericanLife" with Ira Glass that addresses college admissions this year. I think that it is well worth a listen for those interested in this topic! The Campus Tour Has Been Cancelled How the pandemic has thrown college admissions process into a kind of slow-motion chaos. One of the biggest changes: most colleges have stopped requiring the SAT. For decades, there’s been a debate over whether schools should drop the test. What’s it mean that it finally happened? www.thisamericanlife.org/734/the-campus-tour-has-been-cancelled
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2021 16:21:49 GMT -5
I haven't read this entire thread but is it true that HC's apps are down about 10 pct from last year and most other elite private schools are up 20-30 pct - have we drawn a conclusion 'why?' We should get the facts before drawing any firm conclusions. right? Relooking at my notes from a webinar two+ weeks ago. ED apps (two rounds) were down 25 percent, and only 370 were admitted ED. I recall a talking point that Reg Apps made up the shortfall in ED apps. My notes indicate 6500 apps. From this retrospective recollection, the 6500 can mean either the total number of apps, or is the number of RA applications. If, the latter, then the number of applications is relatively unchanged. ___________ The notes indicate the desired class size is 820. However, it is not clear whether that number includes about 70 members of the class of 2024 who opted for a gap year, and will matriculate as the class of 2025. The college appears amenable to taking in more transfer students than usual.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 28, 2021 6:45:29 GMT -5
College Kickstart reports Fordham received approx 45,000 total applications (48,000 last cycle ) and accepted 58% this cycle (53% last cycle). BC had 39,875 total applicants (a 36% increase over last cycle) and accepted 19% (24% last cycle). Bucknell (not an applicant overlap school but is a fellow PL member) received 11,252 (up from 9,890 last cycle) total applications and accepted 34% (37.5% last cycle). www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/class-of-2025-admission-results(Note: I looked up last year’s numbers individually as they are not part of College Kickstart’s info.)
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 28, 2021 6:56:24 GMT -5
How many of those were graduate school applications?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2021 4:32:31 GMT -5
College Kickstart reports Georgetown received 27,650 total applications (21,318 last cycle ) and accepted 12% this cycle (16% last cycle).
Villanova received 24,399 total applications (22,909 last cycle) and accepted 25% (28% last cycle).
Notre Dame received 23,639 total applications (21,270 last cycle) and accepted 15% (16% last cycle).
So on the Catholic school front, increases in 2025 applications at Notre Dame, Georgetown, BC, and Villanova (with, of course, decreases in admission rates) while Fordham saw a decrease in 2025 applications (and increase in admission rate).
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 29, 2021 6:45:27 GMT -5
Dropping S.A.T. scores is great. Unless you want to measure the Scholastic Aptitude of your applicants.
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Post by alum on Mar 29, 2021 8:09:35 GMT -5
Dropping S.A.T. scores is great. Unless you want to measure the Scholastic Aptitude of your applicants. The good news is that we don't have to fight about whether you are right or wrong here and about whether the SATs are probative of anything because there will be a ton of data available for people who understand statistics (not me) to analyze and determine six to ten years from now whether outcomes are affected by suspension of the use of standardized testing.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2021 8:44:37 GMT -5
The way ‘Test Score Optional’ generally worked out this year is precisely as suspected - applicants eyeballed the ACT/SAT accepted student average at the schools and sent in their scores if they were equal/stronger.
Of course this means AVG accepted students scores will go up at schools going TSO for the first time (and allow better comparisons with legacy TSO schools 🤔)
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