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Post by HC92 on Mar 17, 2021 11:49:06 GMT -5
You can only imagine how hard it was for me to hear today during our parent meeting with the guidance counselor for my HS Junior that BC and Villanova are close to each other in terms of difficulty of admissions and HC is clearly behind them.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 17, 2021 12:14:03 GMT -5
/\ I’d say that HC has been 3rd in that group for at least the last ten years or so but the more recent change is the move up on BC by Nova. Things change. In many cases high school guidance counselors have full access to Naviance and the parents/kids have limited access - but it is enough to show the scattergrams regarding acceptances. (FWIW the scattergram shows ACT/SAT regardless of student submission.)
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Post by higheredguy on Mar 17, 2021 12:23:20 GMT -5
I wonder what HC's admissions outreach plan is? Clearly, something needs to change. I'm sure this is a top issue for the new president to examine.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 17, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
The class of 2024's 25th - 75th SAT percentiles appear to be the highest in some years.
However, the enrolling class of 2024 is only 42 percent male, certainly the lowest percentage ever. No clue if the 80 or so former members of the class who took a gap year are predominately male. They are re-classified as class of 2025.
Five years ago, the percentages were 47:53. Seven years ago, 50:50.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 17, 2021 13:49:19 GMT -5
I wonder what HC's admissions outreach plan is? Clearly, something needs to change. I'm sure this is a top issue for the new president to examine. Not only the new President, but also the new Vice Provost for Enrollment Management, it will or has become a top issue. Clearly, substantial changes are required in the admissions office for HC to be competitive. Some of us realized over 20 years ago that the numbers were not on a positive sustained path. Unfortunately, the proper corrective action was not taken. Stats for males would be be worse if not for football.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2021 12:58:37 GMT -5
I wonder what HC's admissions outreach plan is? Clearly, something needs to change. I'm sure this is a top issue for the new president to examine. Not only the new President, but also the new Vice Provost for Enrollment Management, it will or has become a top issue. Clearly, substantial changes are required in the admissions office for HC to be competitive. Some of us realized over 20 years ago that the numbers were not on a positive sustained path. Unfortunately, the proper corrective action was not taken. Stats for males would be be worse if not for football. Your final point is subtle but very well taken. As far as gender balance is concerned I am certain we initially accept students with an eye for some sort of relative balance AND athletic recruiting can only help and STILL we were very skewed regarding gender enrollment. Obviously we’ll make further adjustments in admissions going forward. Kind of unavoidable to see that the bright young men eyeballing a Catholic college/university are just not into us at the rate we’d like to see (and certainly not at the bright female rate).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2021 13:30:02 GMT -5
is HC's male/female ratio appreciably different from peer institutions?
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 21, 2021 13:33:05 GMT -5
The difference with most peer institutions is not statistically significat.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2021 13:42:38 GMT -5
Just checked Princeton Review for some colleges that interested me--not suggesting that this is a scientifically perfect recap of peer institutions
School = %Female/% Male
Fordham= 57/43 HC= 55/45 Colgate= 55/45 Providence= 55/45 bc= 53/47 Villanova= 53/47 Bucknell=52/48 Lafayette=51/49
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 21, 2021 13:47:06 GMT -5
I wonder what HC's admissions outreach plan is? Clearly, something needs to change. I'm sure this is a top issue for the new president to examine. Not only the new President, but also the new Vice Provost for Enrollment Management, it will or has become a top issue. Clearly, substantial changes are required in the admissions office for HC to be competitive. Some of us realized over 20 years ago that the numbers were not on a positive sustained path. Unfortunately, the proper corrective action was not taken. Stats for males would be be worse if not for football. Shortly after Fr. B. became president I ended up sitting next to him at an alumni event in CT. He was very aware of these admissions issues. One can argue that HC hasn't done enough to address them but they've been on the radar for a long time. As for HC being less desirable than BC or Villanova: 1, Their locations are more desirable 2. They have higher level athletics 3. At a time of widespread abandonment of organized religion HC's name screams "Catholic" whereas BC and Villanova (and Georgetown) have more neutral sounding names.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2021 13:50:29 GMT -5
Just checked Princeton Review for some colleges that interested me--not suggesting that this is a scientifically perfect recap of peer institutions School = %Female/% Male Fordham= 57/43 HC= 55/45 Colgate= 55/45 Providence= 55/45 bc= 53/47 Villanova= 53/47 Bucknell=52/48 Lafayette=51/49 The particular concern addressed (see PP’s post) was Holy Cross class of 2024: 58/42.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 21, 2021 14:48:57 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 21, 2021 14:49:53 GMT -5
On point #3, Georgetown, Villanova and BC are large universities that offer a curriculum that HC does not have. Specializes schools in education, engineering, business for example. Unfortunately, being tied to strictly liberal arts, without an alignment to professionally schools is not seen as an attractive educational option in the first part of the 21st century. An engineering, architecture, business and allied health programs is now needed to strengthen the admissions profile.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 21, 2021 15:06:41 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Likely any other school that went from all-male to coed in that period
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2021 15:36:52 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Many can. Typically, the formerly all male schools that went coed in the 1970s where males have a slight enrollment edge are schools with an engineering program, and the Ivies and very top of NESCAC. But even with Engineering it can be difficult to achiueve true parity.. Villanova, all undergraduates fall of 2020, was 53.5% female. www1.villanova.edu/villanova/provost/decision-support/student-profile.html^^^ You need to filter the values to exclude graduate students, etc. Villanova, undergraduates by school. Arts 2123 Sciences 1315 Engineering 1056 Business 1740 Nursing 518 (I realize this may skew the M/F ratio) Total 6789 Georgetown, 2018-19 school year, about 7,000 U/Gs, was 43.6 percent male. (also has a nursing school.) Fairfield 39.6% male Wesleyan 44.7% male WPI 61.4% male
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Post by higheredguy on Mar 21, 2021 15:56:09 GMT -5
Not only the new President, but also the new Vice Provost for Enrollment Management, it will or has become a top issue. Clearly, substantial changes are required in the admissions office for HC to be competitive. Some of us realized over 20 years ago that the numbers were not on a positive sustained path. Unfortunately, the proper corrective action was not taken. Stats for males would be be worse if not for football. Shortly after Fr. B. became president I ended up sitting next to him at an alumni event in CT. He was very aware of these admissions issues. One can argue that HC hasn't done enough to address them but they've been on the radar for a long time. As for HC being less desirable than BC or Villanova: 1, Their locations are more desirable 2. They have higher level athletics 3. At a time of widespread abandonment of organized religion HC's name screams "Catholic" whereas BC and Villanova (and Georgetown) have more neutral sounding names. Do we think #3 is an insurmountable obstacle? Have prospective students raised this concern during admissions?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 21, 2021 16:27:39 GMT -5
Shortly after Fr. B. became president I ended up sitting next to him at an alumni event in CT. He was very aware of these admissions issues. One can argue that HC hasn't done enough to address them but they've been on the radar for a long time. As for HC being less desirable than BC or Villanova: 1, Their locations are more desirable 2. They have higher level athletics 3. At a time of widespread abandonment of organized religion HC's name screams "Catholic" whereas BC and Villanova (and Georgetown) have more neutral sounding names. Do we think #3 is an insurmountable obstacle? Have prospective students raised this concern during admissions? One aspect of the general notion is that BC’s name is innocuous religiously and emphasizes a city that is quite popular with the younger set. One has to remember there are multiple reasons for gains and declines in popularity and those multiple reasons change over time.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 21, 2021 17:24:13 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Yes, most. Liberal arts colleges in particular.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 21, 2021 17:29:23 GMT -5
Slight correction; as someone who was there at the time I can state that women first started attending HC in Sept. 1972. I was there for two years without women and two years with women. The latter was much better.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2021 18:12:24 GMT -5
From the Washington Post in 2019]
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 21, 2021 18:59:05 GMT -5
From the Washington Post in 2019] 1) You left out an s in Gudmundssson. 2) The fifty year old now owns the plumbing firm/auto body shop/roofing company and hires and trains young people to do the strenuous work. Or else he retires earlier on SSDI than the average office worker.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2021 6:35:19 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Many years (20+) ago I first heard that accepted females were far more likely to have HC as first choice than accepted males and therefore HC accepted more males than females...with an eye to a somewhat balanced enrollment. The trick, of course, is for admissions to adjust that (in one direction or another) as times change. Once HC controls for ED kids (reason number one million that ED kids are great for schools) you are not dealing with a large remainder of slots (400ish) to fill in a somewhat balanced number at HC. Putting an emphasis on ‘demonstrated interest’ during the RD process also helps greatly in this regard. Of course last year was an oddball year, but I’m certain admissions does not want to see 58-42 again and have adjusted their RD admissions accordingly.
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 22, 2021 8:49:46 GMT -5
Is there another school in the country that can match our shift from exclusively male in 1971 to a predominantly female enrollment in 2021 ovah that 50 year span? Many years (20+) ago I first heard that accepted females were far more likely to have HC as first choice than accepted males and therefore HC accepted more males than females...with an eye to a somewhat balanced enrollment. The trick, of course, is for admissions to adjust that (in one direction or another) as times change. Once HC controls for ED kids (reason number one million that ED kids are great for schools) you are not dealing with a large remainder of slots (400ish) to fill in a somewhat balanced number at HC. Putting an emphasis on ‘demonstrated interest’ during the RD process also helps greatly in this regard. Of course last year was an oddball year, but I’m certain admissions does not want to see 58-42 again and have adjusted their RD admissions accordingly. In Feb '20 i.e. Pre covid '21s; Report to HCAA 2 ED application dates [2nd for HC as 2nd choice].. 500 applications, 400 admitted ['significant number of recruited athletes']; RD 6500 applications for 400 slots [' looking for 'affinity' with HC, e.g. legacy etc or made an on campus visit']
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Post by timholycross on Mar 23, 2021 11:29:21 GMT -5
Slight correction; as someone who was there at the time I can state that women first started attending HC in Sept. 1972. I was there for two years without women and two years with women. The latter was much better. Confirmed by another one present at the time (3 w/o; 1 with). A tiny number of transfers in the junior and sophomore class; the rest freshmen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 23, 2021 13:14:03 GMT -5
Yes--I was in the last all-male freshman class when I entered in Sept 1971. I'd guess maybe a dozen of women transfers in the soph and junior class the next Fall when the first women freshmen matriculated
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