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Post by bigfan on Feb 13, 2017 16:36:47 GMT -5
Can somebody check with Nate Pine and see what is going on, is there a possibility of joining HE or has that idea been dropped by HC or HE? If we still have a chance, we need to talk with the DCU Center to get this done.
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Post by deep Purple on Feb 13, 2017 17:44:45 GMT -5
I don't think Ryan has an ice rink...you don't just throw one in if it wasn't designed for one in the first place. They are in a worse position than HC- no viable building and the Dunk isn't what anyone would call close to there. URI club hockey currently plays in an on-campus arena that reportedly seats 2500. I think the HE minimum is 4,000. I thought URI was upping their commitment to football when they decided to stay in the CAA.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 13, 2017 18:28:43 GMT -5
URI club hockey currently plays in an on-campus arena that reportedly seats 2500. I think the HE minimum is 4,000. I thought URI was upping their commitment to football when they decided to stay in the CAA. Definitely not suitable for Hockey East. More suitable for Atlantic Hockey when our spot opens up.
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Post by unhfan on Feb 13, 2017 20:26:39 GMT -5
I believe the HE invite is based on the Cross playing at the DCU Center. If this can't happen it will force the HE to look for another team which currently they are. It would be a shame for the Cross to miss out on this opportunity but HE can't wait forever.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 13, 2017 22:18:41 GMT -5
Can somebody check with Nate Pine and see what is going on, is there a possibility of joining HE or has that idea been dropped by HC or HE? If we still have a chance, we need to talk with the DCU Center to get this done. Why don't you send him an email and make that suggestion.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 13, 2017 22:39:22 GMT -5
I just don't think hockey in the HE is the panacea some see it here for HC and branding.
Better than the AHL? Sure, but imo hockey (men's and women's) is ultimately a drain on the overall athletic program. It's an expensive sport with really "no bang for the buck" outside of a few selected areas.
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Post by deep Purple on Feb 13, 2017 22:58:23 GMT -5
Can somebody check with Nate Pine and see what is going on, is there a possibility of joining HE or has that idea been dropped by HC or HE? If we still have a chance, we need to talk with the DCU Center to get this done. Why don't you send him an email and make that suggestion. What's his email address? I'll send an email.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 13, 2017 23:13:15 GMT -5
Why don't you send him an email and make that suggestion. What's his email address? I'll send an email. Npine@holycross.edu
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 13, 2017 23:15:53 GMT -5
I just don't think hockey in the HE is the panacea some see it here for HC and branding. Better than the AHL? Sure, but imo hockey (men's and women's) is ultimately a drain on the overall athletic program. It's an expensive sport with really "no bang for the buck" outside of a few selected areas. HE offers a LOT more "bang for the buck" than anything the PL can offer in any sport short of a sweet sixteen NCAA run.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 13, 2017 23:56:17 GMT -5
PL basketball sucks the life out of a 1,000 suns agreed, but HE hockey is not going to set HC/Worcester on fire either imo.
Do you really think 3-5K people are reguiarly going to watch HC hockey at the Centrum? You're dreaming if you think so.
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Post by unhfan on Feb 14, 2017 5:34:49 GMT -5
PL basketball sucks the life out of a 1,000 suns agreed, but HE hockey is not going to set HC/Worcester on fire either imo. Do you really think 3-5K people are reguiarly going to watch HC hockey at the Centrum? You're dreaming if you think so. You don't know unless you make the move. It would give you the big time conference a lot of members of this board have been dreaming about. True it won't be in the sport that most have dreamed of but it's a start.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 14, 2017 5:41:54 GMT -5
I believe the HE invite is based on the Cross playing at the DCU Center. If this can't happen it will force the HE to look for another team which currently they are. It would be a shame for the Cross to miss out on this opportunity but HE can't wait forever. UNHfan my point is other than Q there is no other team.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 14, 2017 9:49:30 GMT -5
I just don't think hockey in the HE is the panacea some see it here for HC and branding. Better than the AHL? Sure, but imo hockey (men's and women's) is ultimately a drain on the overall athletic program. It's an expensive sport with really "no bang for the buck" outside of a few selected areas. If TPTB agree with you, then they should say that and put an end to this. It's counterproductive to have this issue dangling out there ad infinitum. Or maybe they're just making sure the women get a "soft landing" in HE before relegating the men to college hockey's version of the PL.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2017 6:15:28 GMT -5
In the one-day 'I Love Holy Cross' campaign that ended yesterday, M/W ice hockey ranked 16/17 of 23 sports in the amount received in designated giving. That level of financial enthusiasm won't help in persuading TPTB into making a $5 million a year commitment for M/W membership in HE. (Only field hockey, golf, tennis, and volleyball ranked lower.)
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 15, 2017 7:05:08 GMT -5
While I personally don't get too worked up over what league Holy Cross hockey plays in, my preference certainly would be Hockey East because of "the company we would keep." I fully recognize the financial implications of joining or not. That said, I would hope this decision by HC/HE would be made sooner rather than later, whatever it is because: 1. the Crusader men's and women's hockey team should not be placed in this limbo a moment sooner than they need to be 2. It would put an end (hopefully) to this interminable back and forth about the current league; Hockey East; the city of Worcester; the owner of the Railers; the politics of the situation (hey Dean, can we delete these threads as a "political discussion" violation? )
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Post by joe on Feb 15, 2017 8:18:10 GMT -5
Not sure why there needs to be such silence from the hill on this. If I had to be quite honest, it pisses me off, to the point where I'm about to say I don't want to follow this any longer, also not donate. Why is it that every college hockey fan around Boston seems to want to talk about HC hockey and HE and yet HC has an administration that seems to want to refuse to concede that such a discussion even exists. How about a memo, interview, even a damn tweet that gives fans and alumni and other people who actually care about HC athletics something to go on. I for one am about to check out of this. Too many other things to concern myself about.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 15, 2017 8:24:13 GMT -5
Not sure why there needs to be such silence from the hill on this. If I had to be quite honest, it pisses me off, to the point where I'm about to say I don't want to follow this any longer, also not donate. Why is it that every college hockey fan around Boston seems to want to talk about HC hockey and HE and yet HC has an administration that seems to want to refuse to concede that such a discussion even exists. How about a memo, interview, even a damn tweet that gives fans and alumni and other people who actually care about HC athletics something to go on. I for one am about to check out of this. Too many other things to concern myself about. I share your frustration but, to be fair, it's a little hard for a school in one conference to talk openly about its desire to be in another.
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Post by joe on Feb 15, 2017 8:58:39 GMT -5
If we're serious about HE and vice versa this should not be an issue. Plus, there are ways to keep fans and supporters fed with information without spilling the beans. How about a statement saying "HC looks forward to working with the DCU and alongside the Railers to bring high level hockey to the people of Worcester."
What we have here comes off as a mixture of aloofness, disinterest, and frankly a little arrogance.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2017 8:58:46 GMT -5
I was honestly surprised (and a bit underwhelmed) by the low number of ice hockey contributors to yesterday's I Love HC fundraiser. (Actually, mMore by the total contributed than actual numbers, since IIRC there are more athletes on hockey than hoops.)
Does anything posted here have any impact on the HC decision regarding hockey's possible new home? We seem to be going through the same things over and over while waiting for some action from TPTB.
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Post by matunuck on Feb 15, 2017 9:10:44 GMT -5
More donors for hockey than basketball which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.
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Post by joe on Feb 15, 2017 9:16:32 GMT -5
HC quite comfortable with barraging alumni with urgent email blasts about needing money ASAP.
It goes both ways. If I had known the direction hockey was going I would have ponied up. Sorry not this time.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2017 9:25:17 GMT -5
More donors for hockey than basketball which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. I may be looking at the wrong numbers, but what I saw showed basketball with twice as much raised as hockey. (over $10,000 to just over $5,000). With so many more on the M/W hockey teams, assuming equal support, shouldn't that have been reversed?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2017 9:37:53 GMT -5
Of course some of the supporters of those sports may have given outside of this one day campaign. I made a donation in December and a smaller one yesterday, but some may have given big $$$ earlier.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2017 10:21:03 GMT -5
I was honestly surprised (and a bit underwhelmed) by the low number of ice hockey contributors to yesterday's I Love HC fundraiser. Does anything posted here have any impact on the HC decision regarding hockey's possible new home? We seem to be going through the same things over and over while waiting for some action from TPTB. As to your first point, HC has been playing M/W ice hockey for at least 30 years. M/W ice hockey rosters dwarf those for golf, tennis, and volleyball, and only the field hockey roster is of comparable size to women's ice hockey. One would think there would be more alumni support for a program in which hundreds have played over the years, and everyone who plays ice hockey is aware of the great relative cost of that sport. On your second point, as far as I can tell from postings on this thread, there has been no substantive conversation between HC and HE on the HC men joining HE. Nor have I read a posting here that TPTB have authorized ADNP to initiate/conduct such a conversation, --and given the scale of the potential expense, TPTB (I really mean the BoT) would need to approve such (IMO). Which leaves this: A businessman initiates discussions with the city on bringing a minor league hockey franchise to Worcester, and to play at the DCU. The businessman also commits to building and operating a two-rink community hockey complex in Worcester, to be used by youth leagues, adult leagues, recreational skaters, and as a practice rink for the team. The city is probably and properly more enthused about the latter than the former. The businessman also doesn't want competition at the DCU for his fledgling hockey team, the city agrees with this specification, and HC is thus effectively frozen out (pun intended) of the DCU. (The city probably has its own financial interests: it doesn't want Railers / HC ice hockey at the DCU every weekend over a four month period to squeeze out other events, which are much more lucrative from a revenue standpoint.) Proponents of HC joining HE are expecting / rooting for the Railers to be a financial flop, and to fold in no more than 2-3 years. That, in their view, would open the door to HC playing at the DCU, and playing in a rink that meets the 4,000 seat capacity that HE requires. With the Railers out of the picture, HC would formally apply to HE for membership. If the above narrative is reasonably accurate, neither ADNP nor the HC PTB will do anything in the interim until the wished-for Railers demise occurs. (HC always has the option of building a new rink, or expanding the existing rink.) As for HE, a 12th team in the conference only ensures a play-in game for eight of the conference members before the post-season quarterfinals. Which, IMO, isn't very much.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 15, 2017 10:21:23 GMT -5
Hc92 nails it: for HC to talk publically about HE while a member of AHA would be ridiculous. Just isn't done. Neither AHA nor HE would like that.
In terms of giving, look at where hockey ended last year (fourth among all teams in dollars raised)- my guess is on June 30 it will be similar.
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