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Post by efg72 on Jul 15, 2020 20:32:36 GMT -5
Appears as if HS seniors in Virginia will NOT play football. Just reported in the local news.
as someone said anybody in the 2020 group, playing any sport, who has legitimate offers on the table, should decide now or reclassify.
feel horrible for the kids and the college coaches
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Post by hchoops on Jul 15, 2020 20:51:10 GMT -5
Many high schools will not let students reclassify
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 15, 2020 21:03:51 GMT -5
That is where prep schools get into the picture. Transfer now and enter as a junior.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 16, 2020 6:32:33 GMT -5
The privates are going to do very, very well the next couple years in terms of young men and women wanting to do that.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 16, 2020 8:37:35 GMT -5
The privates are going to do very, very well the next couple years in terms of young men and women wanting to do that. Prep schools specifically. Your regular Catholic and private schools have to play by the same eligibility rules as the publics and are in same boat. |
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Post by crusader12 on Jul 16, 2020 9:13:50 GMT -5
The privates are going to do very, very well the next couple years in terms of young men and women wanting to do that. Prep schools specifically. Your regular Catholic and private schools have to play by the same eligibility rules as the publics and are in same boat. Catholic Privates were already in significant decline and this is going to really make it worse if no sports this year. Many parents will pay premium for the exposure (especially in MA). I feel private education as a whole is in the very early innings of a major recession. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 16, 2020 9:40:36 GMT -5
Prep schools specifically. Your regular Catholic and private schools have to play by the same eligibility rules as the publics and are in same boat. Catholic Privates were already in significant decline and this is going to really make it worse if no sports this year. Many parents will pay premium for the exposure (especially in MA). I feel private education as a whole is in the very early innings of a major recession. There will absolutely be a thinning of the herd. From what I've seen in the last decade in NY (was already the case prior in MA), even the top Catholic school programs are losing kids to prep. This wasn't the case as recently as my high school years in New York City. Back then, the top public and Catholic school programs were certainly viewed as providing sufficient exposure for athletes. Now the stars play 2-3 years of HS, re-classify, and go prep. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 16, 2020 9:40:38 GMT -5
My alma mater (Bergen Catholic) is building a multi-million dollar football stadium (and giving up 1/2 of their track to fit it in). If they don't have football this year, it will be terrible timing for them. They are working hard to recruit 24/7. They can't give scholarships for sports in. NJ and if the season is cancelled, it may mean they will lose athletes to prep schools.
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Post by hc2020 on Jul 17, 2020 18:22:51 GMT -5
NY is planning for a possible spring HS football season that would run from March 1 to May 8. Seems to me that most states will need to begin making these kinds of contingency plans:
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 18, 2020 8:03:16 GMT -5
NY is planning for a possible spring HS football season that would run from March 1 to May 8. Seems to me that most states will need to begin making these kinds of contingency plans: If people think moving fall sports to the spring will cause logistical issues at the university level, the problems will be tenfold at the high school level. Another issue -- multi-sport athletes. Small and medium-size schools will have a difficult time filling out rosters as athletes will have to choose between sports. Probably 85% of high school football players are on baseball, lacrosse or track teams in the spring. |
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Post by unhfan on Jul 19, 2020 9:49:06 GMT -5
New Hampshire still saying they plan on playing fall sports which I can't see happening as every college in NH has postponed. Is that the plan for MA schools to play fall athletics?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 19, 2020 10:55:54 GMT -5
New Hampshire still saying they plan on playing fall sports which I can't see happening as every college in NH has postponed. Is that the plan for MA schools to play fall athletics? Main difference between HS and college is that high school road trips are mostly under an hour wheres most college road trips (even those that don't involve flights) are 2+ hours and require an overnight stay. The best thing HS can try and do is have condensed seasons and skip postseason play. That way, even with a late start you can still fit in fall, winter and spring sports. New York hit a record low number of hospitalizations yesterday since the pandemic started and had 5 deaths in the entire state Friday. IMO, there's no reason school shouldn't start up on time HERE and that sports shouldn't be able to resume by the end of September. I'm not advocating grandma sit in the bleachers but I think an academic return to normalcy will work out just fine here. Not speaking for MA and NH, of course as I haven't been looking at the data in those states. |
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Post by unhfan on Jul 19, 2020 11:45:58 GMT -5
New Hampshire still saying they plan on playing fall sports which I can't see happening as every college in NH has postponed. Is that the plan for MA schools to play fall athletics? Main difference between HS and college is that high school road trips are mostly under an hour wheres most college road trips (even those that don't involve flights) are 2+ hours and require an overnight stay. The best thing HS can try and do is have condensed seasons and skip postseason play. That way, even with a late start you can still fit in fall, winter and spring sports. New York hit a record low number of hospitalizations yesterday since the pandemic started and had 5 deaths in the entire state Friday. IMO, there's no reason school shouldn't start up on time HERE and that sports shouldn't be able to resume by the end of September. I'm not advocating grandma sit in the bleachers but I think an academic return to normalcy will work out just fine here. Not speaking for MA and NH, of course as I haven't been looking at the data in those states. As we learn more about the virus I think it points more to starting remotely and cancelling sports. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 19, 2020 12:11:33 GMT -5
Sports in schools is far less a priority than the learning environment.
How many students should safely be in a classroom, a school building ?
How many days a week can an individual student be in a classroom ?
How many students should be on a school bus safely ?
Will City parents send their High school children on city busses and subways ?
Where will the money come from for more PPE, Teachers, busses, adapting cafeterias, auditoriums and gyms to classrooms ?
.How many teachers with compromising conditions will not return to the classrooms ?
These are only a few of the many questions facing educators in the next 5 weeks.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 19, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
Considering the “knowns knowns”, and the “unknown knowns” logically, competitive sports should be cancelled this academic year in secondary schools.
I would rather see an extended school day, using a hybrid model of in-class and remote learning that would lessen density for in-class learning. Think out of the cylinder. The old “normal” model is flawed and anachronistic for 21st Century education.
The home remote learning day should be extended and not condensed. The remote learning day should be from 8-6 with breaks in home for students to review course materials as well as assignments that can be submitted electronically. For those students taking in school learning, the pod system with morning and afternoon pods with additional instruction or learning experiences via video either synchronous or asynchronous during the 8-6 timeframe at home also could be utilized. It will be healthier for teachers, students and parents. There are many logistical hurdles, but the time is now for change.
It’s a unique opportunity to reimagine education for the 21st century. The Horace Mann approach was innovative for the 19th and part of the 20th century. It no longer the only valid model for our current students.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 19, 2020 14:39:39 GMT -5
Sports in schools is far less a priority than the learning environment. How many students should safely be in a classroom, a school building ? How many days a week can an individual student be in a classroom ? How many students should be on a school bus safely ? Will City parents send their High school children on city busses and subways ? Where will the money come from for more PPE, Teachers, busses, adapting cafeterias, auditoriums and gyms to classrooms ? .How many teachers with compromising conditions will not return to the classrooms ? These are only a few of the many questions facing educators in the next 5 weeks. These are all good questions but based on the data coming out of New York now, why wouldn't any of these same questions be asked during a normal flu season? Hospitalizations and deaths are ROCK BOTTOM right now in New York -- and it's not because everyone is doing super great at social distancing. Go anywhere in the Bronx and see for yourself that everyone has gotten very lax over the course of the last couple months when it comes to that. It's either because a) whatever remnants of COVID are floating around NY have mutated into a less deadly version or b) we have achieved a level of herd immunity here. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 19, 2020 17:14:57 GMT -5
Crucis,
Very perceptive
Just may be needed
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 19, 2020 17:21:22 GMT -5
The Horace Mann approach was innovative for the 19th and part of the 20th century. It no longer the only valid model for our current students. Minus the rampant sexual abuse of boys at Horace Mann over the years. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 19, 2020 18:19:31 GMT -5
We'll be lucky to have club (soccer, aau) sports in Mass. Schools, forget about it. Too much on the schools' plates. Buses especially.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2020 18:38:55 GMT -5
Sports in schools is far less a priority than the learning environment. How many students should safely be in a classroom, a school building ? How many days a week can an individual student be in a classroom ? How many students should be on a school bus safely ? Will City parents send their High school children on city busses and subways ? Where will the money come from for more PPE, Teachers, busses, adapting cafeterias, auditoriums and gyms to classrooms ? .How many teachers with compromising conditions will not return to the classrooms ? These are only a few of the many questions facing educators in the next 5 weeks. These are all good questions but based on the data coming out of New York now, why wouldn't any of these same questions be asked during a normal flu season? Hospitalizations and deaths are ROCK BOTTOM right now in New York -- and it's not because everyone is doing super great at social distancing. Go anywhere in the Bronx and see for yourself that everyone has gotten very lax over the course of the last couple months when it comes to that. It's either because a) whatever remnants of COVID are floating around NY have mutated into a less deadly version or b) we have achieved a level of herd immunity here. its neither a.) nor b.) in NY. As Fauci explained to Zuckerberg several days ago, NY (MA, NJ, CT, RI) drove the infection rate down to what he called a baseline, in which the R Naught value is close to, or below 1. That is acceptable in his view. And these particular states slowly and progressively re-opened. As the NY Times extensively reported today, Dr. Brix, in late April, early May, mis-read this positive trend from the cluster of Northeastern states, and told the WH that the pandemic was on the wane. Fauci disagreed; Fauci called himself the skunk at the garden party. Today, POTUS called him an alarmist. What Brfix failed to recognize was that states in other parts of the country had not achieved similar reductions in infection rates, and then these states re-opened. Many residents in these states took a yellow light re-opening to be a green light re-opening. And the infection spread was off to the races. Below are four graphs, for the U.S., New York State, Italy, Germany. Brix compared the slope in New York in late April and early May, and concluded that given the waning of the virus in NY, -- the specific comparison was to Italy -- that the virus was waning nationally. Indeed, as it turns out the slope of the curve in New York State pretty much mirrors Italy and Germany. The two countries and one state went to rigorous lockdowns. Germany's seven day average of new cases is now under 400. For the United States, Peak seven day average was about 29,000 in late April. It never dropped below 21,000 between late April, and early June, Post Memorial Day weekend, it began to climb, and climb sharply. Apparently in early June, Brix and the WH concluded their optimism was unfounded. I can find no other country with a slope similar to the U.S. I suspect that Israel is close based on a bar chart. It was shocking to learn in looking up countries that the mortality rate in Israel is about 25 percent. That is a First world country with a First world health care system. Do not conflate COVID-19 with seasonal influenza.  The United States  New York state  Italy  Germany |
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Post by cmo on Jul 19, 2020 18:45:28 GMT -5
The remote learning day should be from 8-6 with breaks in home for students to review course materials as well as assignments that can be submitted electronically. For what age group ? |
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Post by cmo on Jul 19, 2020 18:47:27 GMT -5
We'll be lucky to have club (soccer, aau) sports in Mass. Schools, forget about it. Too much on the schools' plates. Buses especially. buses, locker rooms, huddles, practice stations. Impossible for high school football under current directives. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 19, 2020 18:54:28 GMT -5
These are all good questions but based on the data coming out of New York now, why wouldn't any of these same questions be asked during a normal flu season? Hospitalizations and deaths are ROCK BOTTOM right now in New York -- and it's not because everyone is doing super great at social distancing. Go anywhere in the Bronx and see for yourself that everyone has gotten very lax over the course of the last couple months when it comes to that. It's either because a) whatever remnants of COVID are floating around NY have mutated into a less deadly version or b) we have achieved a level of herd immunity here. its neither a.) nor b.) in NY. As Fauci explained to Zuckerberg several days ago, NY (MA, NJ, CT, RI) drove the infection rate down to what he called a baseline, in which the R Naught value is close to, or below 1. That is acceptable in his view. And these particular states slowly and progressively re-opened. As the NY Times extensively reported today, Dr. Brix, in late April, early May, mis-read this positive trend from the cluster of Northeastern states, and told the WH that the pandemic was on the wane. Fauci disagreed; Fauci called himself the skunk at the garden party. Today, POTUS called him an alarmist. What Brfix failed to recognize was that states in other parts of the country had not achieved similar reductions in infection rates, and then these states re-opened. Many residents in these states took a yellow light re-opening to be a green light re-opening. And the infection spread was off to the races. Below are four graphs, for the U.S., New York State, Italy, Germany. Brix compared the slope in New York in late April and early May, and concluded that given the waning of the virus in NY, -- the specific comparison was to Italy -- that the virus was waning nationally. Indeed, as it turns out the slope of the curve in New York State pretty much mirrors Italy and Germany. The two countries and one state went to rigorous lockdowns. Germany's seven day average of new cases is now under 400. For the United States, Peak seven day average was about 29,000 in late April. It never dropped below 21,000 between late April, and early June, Post Memorial Day weekend, it began to climb, and climb sharply. Apparently in early June, Brix and the WH concluded their optimism was unfounded. I can find no other country with a slope similar to the U.S. I suspect that Israel is close based on a bar chart. It was shocking to learn in looking up countries that the mortality rate in Israel is about 25 percent. That is a First world country with a First world health care system. Do not conflate COVID-19 with seasonal influenza. The United States New York state Italy Germany PP, I will gladly defer to you 10 times out of 10 on anything statistics-based. Thank you. With regards to numbers in many parts of the world, however, I wouldn't put much stock into it. 25% death rate in Israel -- there's more to that story than meets the eye. Just like the fact that NY & NJ somehow have a death rate 10x everywhere else in the US. Obviously, I am sure death totals in 3rd world countries are vastly under-reported as well as in Communist China. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2020 19:15:26 GMT -5
Re; Israel. I decided to spend ten minutes to try and undersatand why Israel had that stratospheric death rate. Netanyahu conceded he re-opened too soon. www.france24.com/en/20200719-thousands-in-israel-protest-government-s-coronavirus-response^^^ The photo indicates the protesters are Israelis, so the death rate is probably not weighted by excessive Palestinian mortality. In 2020, only 12 percent of the Israeli population was 65 or older, so its not like geriatric Italy. So I went back to the NY Times country table, and I had mis-read the table values. The true mortality rate for Israel is about one percent.
_______________ NYC may have close to coronavirus herd immunity in Corona Queens. A non-random sampling of individuals there indicate that 65+ percent of the sampled population had antibodies. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 19, 2020 19:30:54 GMT -5
Re; Israel. I decided to spend ten minutes to try and undersatand why Israel had that stratospheric death rate. Netanyahu conceded he re-opened too soon. www.france24.com/en/20200719-thousands-in-israel-protest-government-s-coronavirus-response^^^ The photo indicates the protesters are Israelis, so the death rate is probably not weighted by excessive Palestinian mortality. In 2020, only 12 percent of the Israeli population was 65 or older, so its not like geriatric Italy. So I went back to the NY Times country table, and I had mis-read the table values. The true mortality rate for Israel is about one percent. I've been trying to find published articles documenting the reasoning behind the insanely high death RATES in NY & NJ relative to the rest of the US and have found nothing. It can't be just a function of testing, because despite the lack of testing early on when we were hit first, testing is widely available NOW. Thousands in NY and NJ who aren't sick are getting tested every day just like everywhere else. While some jump to the conclusion that NY hospitals were "cooking the books" in the hope of some kind of government reimbursement for COVID-related deaths, I think the reason is much more simple. Since we got hit first and didn't have time to lock down like the rest of the countries, our hospitals were vastly overrun. Therefore, it's my opinion that most hospitals likely didn't have the time to appropriately diagnose and document every single death throughout March and April. They were simply too busy,in what was effectively a war zone, putting every ounce of energy rationing medical resources to save as many lives as possible. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of all hospital deaths in a given time period all went down as "COVID". Hospitals in other regions had more time to prepare. It should also be noted that if you separate NYC from the rest of the state, the death rate for New York City proper was about 10x the death rate for the rest of the state (not including NYC). |
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