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Post by hcnj on May 30, 2023 20:51:26 GMT -5
I read Graham was a walk on at Richmond just FYI. Unsurprising. Could be a transfer possibility sooner rather than later. It's not encouraging if he walked on at Richmond over our offer of a schollie. He could portal out either way couldn't he? I don't think he was close to a "must get" guy, just commenting on his relative valuation of the choices.
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Post by hchoops on May 30, 2023 22:31:54 GMT -5
As is true for many players, he probably believes that he can play at a higher level than how he was recruited. So his family is willing to pay for Richmond to prove that he can play at that level. I do not agree that logic should be discouraging for HC. Nothing Paulsen could do to counteract that thinking.
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Post by crusader1970 on May 31, 2023 8:23:42 GMT -5
As is true for many players, he probably believes that he can play at a higher level than how he was recruited. So his family is willing to pay for Richmond to prove that he can play at that level. I do not agree that logic should be discouraging for HC. Nothing Paulsen could do to counteract that thinking. The PWO position he opted for was probably because Richmond was simply out of scholarships this late in the recruiting season.
My bet is that he was promised a ride for his next three years.
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Post by hc6774 on May 31, 2023 8:39:15 GMT -5
As is true for many players, he probably believes that he can play at a higher level than how he was recruited. So his family is willing to pay for Richmond to prove that he can play at that level. I do not agree that logic should be discouraging for HC. Nothing Paulsen could do to counteract that thinking. The PWO position he opted for was probably because Richmond was simply out of scholarships this late in the recruiting season.
My bet is that he was promised a ride for his next three years.
Richmond had 4 grads & 3 seniors on the '22/'23 roster; likely at least 4 scholarship available? before Richmond's Graham announcement, below, it appears that 3 were committed via NLI signings 2 in November &1 in May, a Wagner transfer. richmondspiders.com/news/2023/5/30/mens-basketball-adds-incoming-freshman-jack-graham.aspx
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Post by hcnj on May 31, 2023 14:54:44 GMT -5
I don't think it should be too much to think we can recruit against a walk-on offer from Richmond with a scholarship. Your calculation may be correct on his thinking but I'm hoping a decent percentage of our 24's will have offers as good as Richmond and hopefully a couple will come to HC. Paulsen just needs the time to establish himself representing HC to recruits.
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Post by trimster on Jun 2, 2023 7:44:05 GMT -5
HC has 5 seniors on next year’s roster and I believe they all have a “Covid Year” of eligibility left after next year. I wonder how this is affecting current recruiting if at all. It seems to me Gates didn’t decide to use his 5th year at HC until after New Year’s of ‘22.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 2, 2023 8:05:21 GMT -5
HC has 5 seniors on next year’s roster and I believe they all have a “Covid Year” of eligibility left after next year. I wonder how this is affecting current recruiting if at all. It seems to me Gates didn’t decide to use his 5th year at HC until after New Year’s of ‘22. The hoops’ careers of those 5 seniors have very little in common with that of Gerrale.
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Post by trimster on Jun 2, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -5
HC has 5 seniors on next year’s roster and I believe they all have a “Covid Year” of eligibility left after next year. I wonder how this is affecting current recruiting if at all. It seems to me Gates didn’t decide to use his 5th year at HC until after New Year’s of ‘22. The hoops’ careers of those 5 seniors have very little in common with that of Gerrale. I may be in the minority but there are a couple of guys in the group I wouldn't mind seeing for a 5th year. One reason being I am not that big on bringing in 5-6 frosh a year from now. I know it's a very different college hoops world than 5-10 years ago but I'd like to avoid a 5-6 member class. I also think a couple of the group could contribute more than the average PL recruit would in year one. I also say that since it appears CDP is leaning away from the portal when it comes to roster building. Another reason is the roster will have one senior a year from now and a recruiting class of 1 does little for me. (I know, things can change quickly). Just a few thoughts.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 2, 2023 10:51:51 GMT -5
I tend to agree with a lot of what you are saying, Trimster, depending on how those guys adapt to CDP's coaching.
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Post by Tom on Jun 2, 2023 11:56:43 GMT -5
HC has 5 seniors on next year’s roster and I believe they all have a “Covid Year” of eligibility left after next year. I wonder how this is affecting current recruiting if at all. It seems to me Gates didn’t decide to use his 5th year at HC until after New Year’s of ‘22. The hoops’ careers of those 5 seniors have very little in common with that of Gerrale. Not from a productivity standpoint, but perhaps from an academic standpoint. I would fully expect Montgomery, Coulibaly, and Rabs to graduate a year from now. I do not know about Tse and Octave, With two years at another school and two years at HC, there may be issues with transferring credits, sufficient courses in your major etc. One difference between Gates and the other guys is that Gates walked in the door planning to be here for three years. I don't think the rule allowing a transfer to play right away was in place yet. When he committed, I assume the plan was sit in 2020-21 and play in 2021-22 and 2022-23. Tse and Octave walked in the door knowing they would play this year. They could be using summer sessions, etc to make up any academic issues lost in transfer. Or they might need a little more coursework to get a degree at this time next year It is a fair question. Will any of these guys try to grab an extra year at Holy Cross? If so, what how does that affect recruiting
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 2, 2023 12:36:17 GMT -5
Of course, if either or both of Rabs and Louth stay healthy and contribute many wouldlike them to play another year
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Post by hcnj on Jun 3, 2023 13:24:20 GMT -5
There's a lot of moving pieces. First, as players there isn't a lot in common between Gates and the others at this point. It's relevant from the standpoint of the coach and the development of the program and whether the coach would want them to take an extra year compared to other recruiting options. That's aside from whether a player would like to come back or not. I'm sure CDP would like to see these players playing under him for a while and see what recruiting looks like for 24's before deciding, at least in a couple of cases. People seemed pretty excited to see Bo exit the portal, why wouldn't we think that we'd be as excited to get him for another year? If CDP lines up a group of recruits that he thinks will be better than anyone who wants to stay, it's a good problem.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 5, 2023 12:57:48 GMT -5
Two years of eligibility remaining.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 5, 2023 13:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jun 5, 2023 17:18:05 GMT -5
Minutes and production decreased over the course of the season. Eventually lost his starting role at othe end of the season. I’m going to guess we’re not actively pursuing Butler as a scholarship player.
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Post by Tom on Jun 6, 2023 7:37:18 GMT -5
Minutes and production decreased over the course of the season. Eventually lost his starting role at othe end of the season. I’m going to guess we’re not actively pursuing Butler as a scholarship player. Sometimes the brother of a star is a good grab. Sometimes it's not. Back in the 60's the Braves had a guy named Tommie Aaron, who, along with his brother, combined for 768 career home runs
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2023 7:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jun 6, 2023 14:28:16 GMT -5
Minutes and production decreased over the course of the season. Eventually lost his starting role at othe end of the season. I’m going to guess we’re not actively pursuing Butler as a scholarship player. Sometimes the brother of a star is a good grab. Sometimes it's not. Back in the 60's the Braves had a guy named Tommie Aaron, who, along with his brother, combined for 768 career home runs Another similar brother combo, albeit on the mound, was Christy and Henry Mathewson, both of whom are Bucknell alums. For many decades they held the record for most MLB wins by a brother combination - with Christy having 373 wins and Henry zero. Henry had a very unusual, albeit short, MLB career. Pitched three games, with two saves and one complete game (with 14 BBs in 9 IPs). Debuted at the age of 19 and saw his MLB career end at the age of 20. Died at the age of 30 from TB - the same ailment that killed Christy, although Christy contracted it while fighting in WW1. Henry already was fighting the disease prior to the U.S. involvement in the war. A few Christy Mathewson factoids: - Not only was he a Bucknell alum, but his wife Jane and son Christy Jr. are as well. - He is buried in the cemetery immediately adjacent to Sojka Pavilion. - In addition to being a baseball star, he also made the Walter Camp All-American team in football. - He was a part-owner and Board member of the Boston Braves prior to his death. Christy Jr. took over that role for a while. - The Christy Mathewson Gateway, near the football field that is named after him, was given to Bucknell in 1928 by MLB to honor hi legacy. Gateway
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 6, 2023 15:19:18 GMT -5
Bison- I’m a big baseball fan and I thank you for these interesting “factoids” about one of the greatest players in MLB history.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 6, 2023 16:24:43 GMT -5
The only thing I remember from my Bucknell tour in 1991 is that Christy Mathewson is an alum.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 6, 2023 20:21:08 GMT -5
Sometimes the brother of a star is a good grab. Sometimes it's not. Back in the 60's the Braves had a guy named Tommie Aaron, who, along with his brother, combined for 768 career home runs Another similar brother combo, albeit on the mound, was Christy and Henry Mathewson, both of whom are Bucknell alums. For many decades they held the record for most MLB wins by a brother combination - with Christy having 373 wins and Henry zero. Henry had a very unusual, albeit short, MLB career. Pitched three games, with two saves and one complete game (with 14 BBs in 9 IPs). Debuted at the age of 19 and saw his MLB career end at the age of 20. Died at the age of 30 from TB - the same ailment that killed Christy, although Christy contracted it while fighting in WW1. Henry already was fighting the disease prior to the U.S. involvement in the war. A few Christy Mathewson factoids: - Not only was he a Bucknell alum, but his wife Jane and son Christy Jr. are as well. - He is buried in the cemetery immediately adjacent to Sojka Pavilion. - In addition to being a baseball star, he also made the Walter Camp All-American team in football. - He was a part-owner and Board member of the Boston Braves prior to his death. Christy Jr. took over that role for a while. - The Christy Mathewson Gateway, near the football field that is named after him, was given to Bucknell in 1928 by MLB to honor hi legacy. Gateway So Bucknell has it's version of a Jesuit cemetery.🙂
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Post by ts1970 on Jun 6, 2023 20:43:35 GMT -5
The only thing I remember from my Bucknell tour in 1991 is that Christy Mathewson is an alum. I also knew CM was a Bucknell alumnus but didn’t know all the other family history and biographical facts about him. Interesting!
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 29, 2023 8:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by Crosser on Jun 29, 2023 12:56:20 GMT -5
There’s a lot to like in this incoming class’s mini-bios. I’d guess Colgate would have at least two or three mult-year contributors in this group.
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Post by trimster on Jun 29, 2023 13:30:30 GMT -5
There’s a lot to like in this incoming class’s mini-bios. I’d guess Colgate would have at least two or three mult-year contributors in this group. You would think. Langel is really working Magic in the Chenango Valley.
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