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Post by hchoops on Mar 6, 2021 17:41:08 GMT -5
My take is that coaches are paid to win games. Those who lose are fired, no matter if they call them glorified anythings
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Post by hc87 on Mar 6, 2021 17:51:18 GMT -5
I hear ya'...but we are in very odd waters this Spring....I hope we do go "all in" but I can see were some coaches take a different approach to ready themselves for a "normal" Fall season etc
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 6, 2021 18:20:11 GMT -5
Massey makes Holy Cross a 3 point favorite at Lehigh with a 61% chance for the win.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 6, 2021 20:44:57 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... Nice try In regards to?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 6, 2021 20:47:13 GMT -5
Sounds a bit like a sandbag
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 6, 2021 20:53:12 GMT -5
I hear ya'...but we are in very odd waters this Spring....I hope we do go "all in" but I can see were some coaches take a different approach to ready themselves for a "normal" Fall season etc Given depth, transfers and opt outs and Covid pauses everyone is facing far more variables than usual. Fordham and Bucknell are already facing a "unique" circumstance relative to Holy Cross, Lehigh, Colgate and Lafayette. It's going to be interesting to say the least. I'm personally more concerned about getting out of the spring healthy and get ready for the fall season. I know Temple was very cautious when it came to football and basketball this year. I applaud Acting AD Fran Dunphy's tepid approach given all the Covid hurdles Temple athletics faced.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 6, 2021 20:58:33 GMT -5
Sounds a bit like a sandbag Not sandbagging. Holy Cross should win rather comfortably. Coaching wise this game is a mismatch and given Lehigh's issues along the OL, lack of at LB and lack of a proven QB I don't see it being close. Full disclosure I think Gilmore is a below average coach. The sooner Lehigh can move on from him the better.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2021 20:59:21 GMT -5
You can't play football tepidly. Football players are chomping at the bit and will play hard to win. Any appearance of programs being tepid is because of the caution necessary to stay healthy and safe so you can play the games. If teams can get on the field they will have 16 months of delayed motivation to play to win.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 6, 2021 21:12:54 GMT -5
You can't play football tepidly. Football players are chomping at the bit and will play hard to win. Any appearance of programs being tepid is because of the caution necessary to stay healthy and safe so you can play the games. If teams can get on the field they will have 16 months of delayed motivation to play to win. My point was Temple football scheduled basically the bare minimum games. They just wanted to get through the season and move on. Basketball was riddled with covid stoppages; it was simply a disaster. I honestly don't think winning was the number one priority. At the end of the day "competing the best you can given the circumstances" was good enough for administration/me this athletic season. For Lehigh this spring, IMO it's simply about staying healthy, getting better and beating Lafayette to close out the regular season. Perhaps that would lay the foundation to "hopefully" get the program/team back to some sense of nationally relevancy come the fall. Honestly, I don't see Lehigh accomplishing much of anything with Gilmore at the helm. If they go 0-4 (quite possible) and lose to Lafayette and Bucknell again the heat will get turned up pretty quick.
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Post by richh on Mar 6, 2021 21:56:20 GMT -5
Agree with owl about Lehigh's goals for Spring. I am not as down on Lehigh coaching but Tom was not my 1st choice. Regardless,there isnt really any other option for Lehigh. The current roster has 12 seniors. 6 starters(incl LS) and 4 others with some PT.There are 12 jrs:21 soph and 30 frosh.51 of 75 are underclassmen. The season delay was beneficial for frosh adapting to college and an extended period with the S&C staff. The lack of a true summer camp has severely limited actual football preparation. Factor in 2 week quarantines for players coming in from various States. The current practice schedule while class is in session is not at all sufficient with such a young team. At least the first couple of games will likey be training sessions to get the best players on the field some experience to create competitive units. As I saidvearlier teams with the most experience will have a big edge. Cross has that plus more better players.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2021 6:45:36 GMT -5
I hear ya'...but we are in very odd waters this Spring....I hope we do go "all in" but I can see were some coaches take a different approach to ready themselves for a "normal" Fall season etc I’ve been thinking along the same lines. The very short ‘season’ ends so close to the upcoming full season it is only natural. I was watching SBU v Villanova yesterday and was thinking SBU might play a backup QB a bit more (with an eye to next year) since the mediocre starter is a senior...but then I realized he gets another year at SBU so that assumption was way off. BUT I could see that at HC. (Not saying Chesney isn’t 1000% trying to win this year and all years going forward...wouldn’t shock me if his goal is a deep run in the FCS playoffs this year)
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 7, 2021 7:02:50 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... For any of us who got to know Coach Gilmore when he was at HC, the idea that he would approach any contest where there is a winner and a loser with “indifference” is absolutely ludicrous.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2021 7:32:18 GMT -5
Agreed, hcgrad94. Tom Gilmore knows that there are many ways for players to learn and, while almost every thing can be used as a lesson, what players get from winning is one of the best ways to learn how to be a winner. I don't see him taking spring football as a series of scrimmages at all.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 7, 2021 8:04:19 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... Villlanova won. So guessing the starters stayed in?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 7, 2021 8:07:29 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... Villanova's starting QB had 32 passing attempts; the leading WR had nine receptions. So much for the 'Nova alum's prediction.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 7, 2021 8:09:44 GMT -5
You're going to see a lot of interesting results this spring. The following has already taken place:
- Elon blows a two score lead in the fourth quarter to lose to JMU in Harrisonburg...a week after needing to overcome a two-TD deficit against Davidson to win their opener. - VMI beat top 10 Furman and may now be the team to beat in the Southern Conference - North Dakota State has had its 39-game winning streak snapped, in a blowout loss to Southern Illinois. SIU of late has been a bottom tier Missouri Valley team. Of course, relative to FCS a whole, they'd be a pretty darn good team. - In it's first game as an FCS program, having moved up from D-II, Tarleton State blew out FBS New Mexico State 43-17. Then a week later, Tarleton lost to Dixie State, another school that just moved to FCS from D-II.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2021 9:01:04 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... Villanova's starting QB had 32 passing attempts; the leading WR had nine receptions. So much for the 'Nova alum's prediction. Definitely seems like Villanova was playing to win. I think all schools will have the same priorities. Win the game you’re playing is first priority. Find ways to work in more guys to get ready for the Fall season as a secondary priority.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 7, 2021 10:02:05 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... Villlanova won. So guessing the starters stayed in? Waiting for the 'Nova AGS guy to respond. He's pretty well connected so it's someone's opinion on Wildcat football I take seriously. Villanova is absolutely loaded with talent so winning doesn't completely eliminate the idea they used more guys/had unique rotations. There's a difference between playing to win and knowing your roster and focusing on the big picture of developing it for the long run. That was basically Temple's approach in football and basketball. I tend to think that's what occurred at UK, Duke and Michigan State when it comes to hoops. I don't see Lehigh "mailing" it in next week. They simply have an inferior team top bottom and need to get better if they want to compete in the fall. I think there's a very good chance they go 0-4 with 2 blowout losses to start. Colgate and Hunt are going to be out for blood after how they lost the 2019 game.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 7, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -5
A pretty well connected 'Nova alum believes Coach Ferrante is going to play their starters about a quarter today against Stony Brook. Villanova will be treating the spring season like preseason. I'm obviously interested to see if this happens. Overall, its's clear not everyone is onboard with spring football. We could have some historically ugly scores if certain teams don't "go all in" for 60 minutes. I wonder if a running clock/ending games early becomes part of the spring season. I really don't believe the Lehigh-HC game will be competitive at all. Given HC's mindset and Lehigh's apparent spring season indifference (along with not being very good) you could see a 40-50 (or worse) point margin easily. The Crusaders appear hungry to make a statement to the PL and the rest of FCS this spring. Maybe that will "springboard" Chesney into a FBS gig for the fall.... For any of us who got to know Coach Gilmore when he was at HC, the idea that he would approach any contest where there is a winner and a loser with “indifference” is absolutely ludicrous. I think developing the roster and establishing the OL and settling on a QB are huge issues that need to addressed. You can try and win all you want you but coaches (and some fans) are also realists and know when the team faces serious deficiencies. Lehigh has serious question marks following 3 straight losing seasons. That's the reality. They desperately need to improve. Avoiding an 0-4 season will not be easy given all the questions and concerns. The biggest one of all imo is Gilmore's ability to actually produce a winner.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2021 10:19:56 GMT -5
Villlanova won. So guessing the starters stayed in? Waiting for the 'Nova AGS guy to respond. He's pretty well connected so it's someone's opinion on Wildcat football I take seriously. Villanova is absolutely loaded with talent so winning doesn't completely eliminate the idea they used more guys/had unique rotations. There's a difference between playing to win and knowing your roster and focusing on the big picture of developing it for the long run. That was basically Temple's approach in football and basketball. I tend to think that's what occurred at UK, Duke and Michigan State when it comes to hoops. I don't see Lehigh "mailing" it in next week. They simply have an inferior team top bottom and need to get better if they want to compete in the fall. I think there's a very good chance they go 0-4 with 2 blowout losses to start. Colgate and Hunt are going to be out for blood after how they lost the 2019 game. Good points. Just one caveat IMHO: Villanova, ranked 5 before their closely fought 16-13 victory over SBU, probably realizes they won’t see the likes of QB Dan Smith’s talent (9th Place Payton award last year) in the very near future and might be thinking of going all the way THIS year. Any chance the very talented Villanova QB, who is in his second year as a graduate student, is returning next year?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 7, 2021 13:01:20 GMT -5
Villlanova won. So guessing the starters stayed in? Waiting for the 'Nova AGS guy to respond. He's pretty well connected so it's someone's opinion on Wildcat football I take seriously. Villanova is absolutely loaded with talent so winning doesn't completely eliminate the idea they used more guys/had unique rotations. There's a difference between playing to win and knowing your roster and focusing on the big picture of developing it for the long run. That was basically Temple's approach in football and basketball. I tend to think that's what occurred at UK, Duke and Michigan State when it comes to hoops. I have watched most of UK, Duke and MSU.games. Each of those coaches, as they have their whole careers, has played to win, first, last and always. They have definitely not adopted the Temple model
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 7, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -5
Holy Cross' Connor Degenhardt, Matt Considine battle for starting QB job Jennifer Toland Telegram & Gazette
Connor Degenhardt returns as Holy Cross' incumbent starter at quarterback. Senior quarterback Connor Degenhardt started every game for Holy Cross in 2019 and passed for more than 2,300 yards and 14 touchdowns. Senior QB Matt Considine, who transferred to Holy Cross last year from Wake Forest, played in three games and got his most extensive action in HC’s NCAA playoff game against Monmouth.
The Crusaders have yet to name their starter for the opener.
“Connor will always have the leg up,” Chesney said. “He’s played the most reps up to this point in time. For the first time, I think any of our quarterbacks can go in the game and our offensive staff just really understands what their strengths are and what their weaknesses are, and I feel like we have different game plans built in for each of them.”
Also in the QB group is sophomore Chris Butash and freshmen Marco Siderman and Matthew Sluka.
“We’re in a good spot,” first-year Holy Cross offensive coordinator Justin Roper said. “We have Connor who has obviously played a lot of football and Matt who played a good amount rotating in last year. They’ve done a good job. We have a lot of young guys who are getting a lot of rotation reps. We’ve seen a lot of talent, and the point we’re at is everyone knows what we’re doing. Who can make the best decisions, who can be the most consistent, that’s who we’ll roll with.”
Also articles about Dobbs and Offensive coordinator on Telegram.
Chesney seems to favor Degenhardt? In my option, I think Degenhardt is good enough to win PL championship like last season. But is he good enough in the playoffs? From the 1 sample size no. But it is good we have plenty of options.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 7, 2021 13:29:26 GMT -5
My view of Gilmore, totally devoid of any insider info, is that he is a hard worker, fierce competitor, good guy. He's also an old school kind of coach, which might not work as well as it used to. As far as laying down for HC I always had the impression he wouldn't lay down for a game of checkers.
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Post by lehighowl on Mar 7, 2021 13:53:00 GMT -5
Waiting for the 'Nova AGS guy to respond. He's pretty well connected so it's someone's opinion on Wildcat football I take seriously. Villanova is absolutely loaded with talent so winning doesn't completely eliminate the idea they used more guys/had unique rotations. There's a difference between playing to win and knowing your roster and focusing on the big picture of developing it for the long run. That was basically Temple's approach in football and basketball. I tend to think that's what occurred at UK, Duke and Michigan State when it comes to hoops. I have watched most of UK, Duke and MSU.games. Each of those coaches, as they have their whole careers, has played to win, first, last and always. They have definitely not adopted the Temple model As have I! I firmly believe IF it wasn't a Covid year UK and Duke would be tournament teams and Michigan State wouldn't be sweating it out. The variables relative to how Cal and K run their program in the "one and done" era made for the perfect storm. This is Duke's worst season since Coach K "opted out" for back surgery in 1995 and Pete Gaudet took a 9-3 team into a Titanic level sinking. The following year when K returned wasn't much better but at least they had the "honor" of losing to Earl Boykins and Eastern Michigan in the first round of the tournament. I haven't see a Calipari team this bad since the Minutement were playing in a half full "Cage". Izzo builds his teams a bit differently which is why imo the Spartans have found a bit more success. The understanding of roles and continuity was there from last season. Temple's issues were in large part a result of its location. Between Philly's and PA's rules it was tough for the football team to have any sort of practice/preseason camp. AD Fran Dunphy, against the AAC's wishes, decided to keep the schedule at 8 games (ended up being 7) given the hurdles the teams faced. HC Carey had to play the hand he was dealt; which was a clunker from the start. Granted, Carey is not a Matt Rhule level coach so a 1-6 recod seemed about right. Temple basketball had I believe 6 or 7 Covid pauses (several games postponed)? We haven't played since 2/24. Like football, the preseason/summer camp was compromised due to local regulations. Then you add in a second year head coach trying to find his way and a 5-10 record is rather predictable. There's no "Temple Model". Every situation is different and dealt with in that context. For Lehigh, it's a roster with holes, an unproven coaching staff PLUS the Covid situation. For Fordham and Bucknell it's having to deal with a week later start and potentially losing a bye before the PL title game.
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Post by richh on Mar 7, 2021 13:55:54 GMT -5
My view of Gilmore, totally devoid of any insider info, is that he is a hard worker, fierce competitor, good guy. He's also an old school kind of coach, which might not work as well as it used to. As far as laying down for HC I always had the impression he wouldn't lay down for a game of checkers. All true. I am not saying Tom wont coach to win. He will. The reality for him is that to do so he must play his underclassmen.I expect we will see a lot of the underclassmen rotated in throughout the game in every position group.Lehigh is big and has speed. Most of that resides in the underclassmen.
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