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Post by rgs318 on Mar 12, 2021 14:54:52 GMT -5
That last article was nice but that headline??? not so much. Austin will graduate from Holy Cross at the end of this semester. When did graduation become a "transfer?" That is misleading and creates a somewhat negative impression IMHO.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 12, 2021 23:29:14 GMT -5
I don’t think Butler’s overall game is a fit for the High-Major level, but there may be a spot for him somewhere if he is able to sell himself as a knock-down shooter — something that I think he has been a bit overrated on around these parts, but he has shown some flashes.
I have been taken aback by the poor shooting virtually across the board this Championship Week. IMHO overall quality of play has taken a significant step back in college basketball, and that has been particularly evident this week.
This was most evident in the two Big East semifinal games tonight. Seton Hall (5-18, 27.8% 3FG) and UCONN (3-14, 21.4% 3FG) didn’t have anybody who could make a shot from the perimeter (or mid-range) and it absolutely killed both of them. Having a guy who could come off the bench and make 2-3 3’s in ~15 minutes would have made a significant difference for either team.
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Post by possum on Mar 13, 2021 7:06:22 GMT -5
AB shot 46% from beyond the arc this year I'd consider that knockdown shooting.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2021 8:33:16 GMT -5
AB shot 46% from beyond the arc this year I'd consider that knockdown shooting. During our toughest stretch this season, 6 consecutive losses in the 2nd half of January, he was 4-17 (23.5%).
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Post by timholycross on Mar 13, 2021 8:36:34 GMT -5
Georgetown's 23-23 from the line in a win over Villanova is worth noting, although they were a more average 18-25 yesterday. They are 27th in the country in that regard. Somehow or another Syracuse is 13th. How many more titles would they have won if some of their great teams shot that well from the line?
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Post by possum on Mar 13, 2021 8:50:51 GMT -5
BBC that's what shooters do they have hot and cold streaks during a season, nobody's going to shoot the same percentage game in game out.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2021 9:53:22 GMT -5
BBC that's what shooters do they have hot and cold streaks during a season, nobody's going to shoot the same percentage game in game out. That was stretch accounted for over 1/3 of this season. Great shooters may have some hot and cold nights, but making only 4 3FGs during a 6-game stretch when your team is really struggling is not what I would call a true “knockdown shooter.”
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Post by gocrossgo on Mar 13, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
I’d label AB as more of a scorer than a shooter, much like Jaylen Brown of the Celtics. He can let it fly, though and is “knockdown” when he’s on.
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Post by efg72 on Mar 13, 2021 10:32:17 GMT -5
BBC that's what shooters do they have hot and cold streaks during a season, nobody's going to shoot the same percentage game in game out. That was stretch accounted for over 1/3 of this season. Great shooters may have some hot and cold nights, but making only 4 3FGs during a 6-game stretch when your team is really struggling is not what I would call a true “knockdown shooter.” I understand the point you are trying to make, but Team performance, while important, is not part of the equation when determining if someone is a knockdown shooter. Austin is a terrific player for our level and most of the level above. Every team, regardless of level, needs a player like Austin in the rotation. I wish both Austin and Matt great success as they move forward and they will be missed next season.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 13, 2021 10:39:01 GMT -5
BBC that's what shooters do they have hot and cold streaks during a season, nobody's going to shoot the same percentage game in game out. That was stretch accounted for over 1/3 of this season. Great shooters may have some hot and cold nights, but making only 4 3FGs during a 6-game stretch when your team is really struggling is not what I would call a true “knockdown shooter.” I don't know what AB did to you to make you so myopic about his abilities and performance, but it is amusing to see you twist and turn to try to find the negative in every situation.
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Austin
Mar 13, 2021 11:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2021 11:14:24 GMT -5
That was stretch accounted for over 1/3 of this season. Great shooters may have some hot and cold nights, but making only 4 3FGs during a 6-game stretch when your team is really struggling is not what I would call a true “knockdown shooter.” I don't know what AB did to you to make you so myopic about his abilities and performance, but it is amusing to see you twist and turn to try to find the negative in every situation. Sorrey I don’t worship his every move/breath like you guys. I do have, unfortunately, have some standards that hold me back from thinking a player whose teams had a career winning percentage of .321 and PL finish of 8.5 is completely infallible. Carry on with the love fest!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 13, 2021 11:24:45 GMT -5
No different than the man-crush love fest by some for a coach with an 8-40 record.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 13, 2021 11:51:49 GMT -5
I don't know what AB did to you to make you so myopic about his abilities and performance, but it is amusing to see you twist and turn to try to find the negative in every situation. "Sorrey I don’t worship his every move/breath like you guys."I do have, unfortunately, have some standards that hold me back from thinking a player whose teams had a career winning percentage of .321 and PL finish of 8.5 is completely infallible.Carry on with the love fest! Get rid of that debate technique--the ludicrous exaggeration of the other side's claims--and you'll do a lot better. No one on this board worships AB and no one believes him to be infallible. Rather than admit that you have been wrong about him you want to create this silly narrative that you are the voice of reason arguing common sense versus a group of naive sycophants. It's just not working.
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Post by possum on Mar 13, 2021 12:19:28 GMT -5
You can make the numbers say anything you want particularly in this crazy season. You can say he was only 4-17 in a six game stretch, I can say that's true but 4 of those games were against Colgate who was a tough matchup for him as he averaged less than 10 points a game against them, I could point out that in the other ten games AB hit an insane 55% of his threes. The final fact remains that he hit 46% of his 3 point shots over a 16 game schedule and that's great shooting on any level.
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Mar 13, 2021 13:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2021 13:41:59 GMT -5
You can make the numbers say anything you want particularly in this crazy season. You can say he was only 4-17 in a six game stretch, I can say that's true but 4 of those games were against Colgate who was a tough matchup for him as he averaged less than 10 points a game against them, I could point out that in the other ten games AB hit an insane 55% of his threes. The final fact remains that he hit 46% of his 3 point shots over a 16 game schedule and that's great shooting on any level. Colgate was a tough matchup, and Butler finished the four games vs them this year at 15-43 (34.9%) FG, 3-10 (30%) 3FG, 9.5 PPG. I would just expect more if he was in the elite company of HC basketball players that some seem to want to group him in.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 13, 2021 16:34:07 GMT -5
You have proved a point but it isn't the one for which you were hoping.
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Post by alcovefan on Mar 14, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -5
I know it's a liberal arts school but they still teach about sample sizes right? No dog in this fight, but any argument premised on 17 attempts is moronic. Maybe this is what happens when you go SAT optional.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 23, 2021 12:32:56 GMT -5
The Athletic Ranks among all available transfers and HS seniors
32. Austin Butler, 6-6 wing, super senior, Holy Cross As one of the authors here is from Pittsburgh, we have a soft spot in our heart for the Latrobe-born Butler. The 6-6 wing morphed into a monster wing this year for Holy Cross, dropping 16 points and grabbing nine rebounds per game while shooting an absurd 45.8 percent from 3. I’d be fascinated to see him at the high-major level, as I think his mix of shooting and toughness could help someone as a role player.
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Post by possum on Mar 23, 2021 12:59:01 GMT -5
His evaluation sounds about right to me.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 19, 2021 17:50:50 GMT -5
From ESPN - transfer analysis of UNCC: The 49ers fell apart down the stretch last season, but the talent they've brought in via the portal should prevent a collapse in 2021-22. Ron Sanchez landed three Power 5 transfers: Clemson's Clyde Trapp, Syracuse's Robert Braswell and Ohio State's Musa Jallow. He also went out and landed productive wing Austin Butler, who averaged 16.1 points and 8.8 rebounds at Holy Cross, as well as Texas A&M-Corpus Christi transfer Perry Francois.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 19, 2021 20:04:08 GMT -5
Austin will have very tough comp. for minutes. Trapp and Mallow are both 2 guards.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 19, 2021 21:00:14 GMT -5
His evaluation sounds about right to me. Other than 6-6 !
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 28, 2021 10:11:28 GMT -5
Took a look at the UNCC site this week and saw that they beat Georgia by 11 in an exhibition game in Charlotte - the twitter page also included that Austin was in the starting lineup
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Post by hchoops on Oct 28, 2021 10:13:21 GMT -5
Exhibition or scrimmage ?
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Post by crusader1970 on Oct 28, 2021 10:16:58 GMT -5
Took a look at the UNCC site this week and saw that they beat Georgia by 11 in an exhibition game in Charlotte - the twitter page also included that Austin was in the starting lineup That does not surprise me. In the Blue Ribbon preseason basketball magazine the coach was raving about Austin.
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