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Post by purplehaze on Feb 21, 2023 11:09:21 GMT -5
... and therefore the bigger need is in the backcourt next year, more than a 4-5 position player today's successful teams have strong guard play, that's where it all starts
I'm sure the coaches are thinking ahead but the question is what can they do about it now
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Feb 21, 2023 11:23:53 GMT -5
McCormack. 45 assists, 49 turnovers Flanagan 80 and 60 Both are poor ratios. McCormack - flat out not good A little tough on Flanagan, my friend. Let's cut her some slack. As a senior, Avery L's ratio was 1.5. As a SENIOR. Flanagan is just a frosh adjusting to the game and playing well on both ends. She's been really key for us and will only get better and more efficient. How did Avery do as a frosh? 87 and 74 on the season. And Flanagan's at 80 and 60 right now??? (and doesn't have a Manis to throw it to either). I give the kid a lot of credit. She's her own player and not Avery but she's holding down that point guard spot just fine.
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 21, 2023 11:35:47 GMT -5
I didn't say she was a bad player. Not one bit. It's not a good ratio. I think she has immense upside. I won't give credit where it's not due. She had a solid Frosh season and this needs to improve a lot from both players - especially McCormack. Her's flat out stinks. Need to change the mindset of many programs at HC.
Mediocrity isn't ok. Have to strive for things greater than that. Moral victories aren't good enough. Teams have to get better. Tells kids the truth - they WANT to hear it. Flanagan - yep you've had a nice season for a Frosh. 80/60 isn't cutting it - get better.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Feb 21, 2023 11:46:55 GMT -5
I hear you, dharry. And I am with you on telling kids the truth.
I just don't share your view that the ratio is bad or mediocre. A positive A/TO is a win. Compared to her peers in the PL, she's third in the league, right? That's pretty great and for a frosh too. She's 197 in the nation? So we're comparing her to Nika Muhl, Caitlin Clark and everyone else in D1? How many players is that (I have no idea honestly), almost 4,000? So Flanagan is top 5%? Seems OK, no? And seems pretty solid when we compare her to one of the greatest to ever pull on a uni for wbb as well. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what the stat means. She's doing really well in my view. I hear you that you see it as mediocre.
So to connect it to the thread, I don't think a point guard needs to be a priority in this recruiting class. We have a good one.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 21, 2023 11:57:51 GMT -5
I'm now thankful that McCormack's early season injury thrust Flanagan into the PG position - if Cara had been healthy and been the starting PG, we might have a couple more L's. Flanagan has had a very good season, and clearly the highest pct shooter among our guards, 40 pct from the field and 81 pct from the ft line.
Agree with harry, we need more 'tough love' with some of our teams - toughness has been lacking, esp in the losses to Army and Colgate
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Feb 21, 2023 12:02:02 GMT -5
I'm now thankful that McCormack's early season injury thrust Flanagan into the PG position - if Cara had been healthy and been the starting PG, we might have a couple more L's. Flanagan has had a very good season, and clearly the highest pct shooter among our guards, 40 pct from the field and 81 pct from the ft line. Agree with harry, we need more 'tough love' with some of our teams - toughness has been lacking, esp in the losses to Army and Colgate Flanagan was starting all along regardless.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 21, 2023 12:35:03 GMT -5
oldschool, so you're ok with one pure point guard on next year's roster ? she's not going to play 38 minutes a game and what would we do if she was injured. The men had to go out a get a point from the portal (Tse) to spell Batch - Tse has not played all that well, but has provided important minutes off the bench to get Batch some rest
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Feb 21, 2023 12:53:26 GMT -5
oldschool, so you're ok with one pure point guard on next year's roster ? she's not going to play 38 minutes a game and what would we do if she was injured. The men had to go out a get a point from the portal (Tse) to spell Batch - Tse has not played all that well, but has provided important minutes off the bench to get Batch some rest Yes, I am OK with that. PG is not a priority in this class. A shooting guard in my view is most important followed by another forward. Last year's rotation was good when we had LaBarbera in her spot and the rest of the rotation in place. Avery played 36.3 minutes per game then so I do think Flanagan can do the same if needed. If injuries occur, we adjust player roles.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 21, 2023 13:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by HC13 on Feb 21, 2023 13:49:25 GMT -5
Janie role was not pitching 3s. SJV is loaded.
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Post by HC13 on Feb 21, 2023 13:54:03 GMT -5
oldschool, so you're ok with one pure point guard on next year's roster ? she's not going to play 38 minutes a game and what would we do if she was injured. The men had to go out a get a point from the portal (Tse) to spell Batch - Tse has not played all that well, but has provided important minutes off the bench to get Batch some rest Yes, I am OK with that. PG is not a priority in this class. A shooting guard in my view is most important followed by another forward. Last year's rotation was good when we had LaBarbera in her spot and the rest of the rotation in place. Avery played 36.3 minutes per game then so I do think Flanagan can do the same if needed. If injuries occur, we adjust player roles. Final word, Flanagan is #10 of the Frosh on the list, #5 of the Mid-Major frosh. If they add another player to the class of '23, I too hope it is a shooter, whether from the portal or not.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2023 9:38:59 GMT -5
I think you evaluate your roster as a whole and what it might be like next year (kids develop, like Berger; some may never) then recruit accordingly.
Players leave, as well, in this day and age; have to be prepared for a little of that, too.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2023 11:20:18 GMT -5
I think you evaluate your roster as a whole and what it might be like next year (kids develop, like Berger; some may never) then recruit accordingly. Players leave, as well, in this day and age; have to be prepared for a little of that, too. Addie could grad transfer to Gannon to join Maddie who might have another year of eligibility. And be accused of following her everywhere.🙂
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 22, 2023 12:06:57 GMT -5
Not related to '23 recruiting, but Addy might just get such an opportunity since she's from the area - Demski is on a 25-3 team this season, getting 18 mins/gm off the bench and averaging 5 pts/gm
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Post by bison137 on Feb 22, 2023 14:53:13 GMT -5
Janie role was not pitching 3s. SJV is loaded. her biggest role is at the defensive end, where she is very good.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 22, 2023 15:05:34 GMT -5
I just don't share your view that the ratio is bad or mediocre. A positive A/TO is a win. Compared to her peers in the PL, she's third in the league, right? That's pretty great and for a frosh too. She's 197 in the nation? So we're comparing her to Nika Muhl, Caitlin Clark and everyone else in D1? How many players is that (I have no idea honestly), almost 4,000? So Flanagan is top 5%? Seems OK, no? And seems pretty solid when we compare her to one of the greatest to ever pull on a uni for wbb as well. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what the stat means. She's doing really well in my view. I hear you that you see it as mediocre. I like the way she has played, and she will only get better. Good shot to be on the PL 5-player all–rookie team. To put her ranking in the PL in perspective, you have to remember that very few players qualify. She is tied for third and fourth out of a total of seven qualifiers. So exactly in the middle. If she had 80 assists and 600 turnovers, she would rank seventh in the league. As for the nationals stats, she ranks number 199 out of about 300 qualifiers.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Feb 22, 2023 15:56:46 GMT -5
I just don't share your view that the ratio is bad or mediocre. A positive A/TO is a win. Compared to her peers in the PL, she's third in the league, right? That's pretty great and for a frosh too. She's 197 in the nation? So we're comparing her to Nika Muhl, Caitlin Clark and everyone else in D1? How many players is that (I have no idea honestly), almost 4,000? So Flanagan is top 5%? Seems OK, no? And seems pretty solid when we compare her to one of the greatest to ever pull on a uni for wbb as well. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on what the stat means. She's doing really well in my view. I hear you that you see it as mediocre. I like the way she has played, and she will only get better. Good shot to be on the PL 5-player all–rookie team. To put her ranking in the PL in perspective, you have to remember that very few players qualify. She is tied for third and fourth out of a total of seven qualifiers. So exactly in the middle. If she had 80 assists and 600 turnovers, she would rank seventh in the league. As for the nationals stats, she ranks number 199 out of about 300 qualifiers. LOL
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 23, 2023 11:34:05 GMT -5
Cara proved last night that she can contribute as a scorer going forward but she has not displayed good enough ball handling/decision making skills this year 12 important points last night but 6 turnovers (1 assist) As mentioned elsewhere it might be Simone as the backup point guard next season and then Cara if necessary - both of them will have to put in extra work this summer with ball handling
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Post by HC13 on Feb 23, 2023 12:26:42 GMT -5
Hopefully it won't be an issue as they only need to find 10 or so mins a game. If Flanagan gets injured, likely PG by committee, similar to to year when they lost both Aloisi & Pearson to injuries for the season. They really haven't had a true PG (pass first) since Aloisi graduated .
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 24, 2023 13:36:07 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2023 15:21:14 GMT -5
Our coaches have shown they can develop a player once she arrives.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 24, 2023 15:33:59 GMT -5
I always get nervous when a recruit doesn’t have particularly impressive high school stats but these kids who are stuck behind others on very good teams sometimes pan out. See Randolph, Dominic.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2023 17:37:10 GMT -5
Flanagan averaged 8.8 ppg in HS and is at 6.6 ppg now with a .404 fg%. I think Wright is playing with more confidence toward the end of the season and she arrived after two years of coaching at Memphis.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 24, 2023 18:01:47 GMT -5
Without digging into the game details, what I can see is Ms. Lewis has played in 19 games and the team's played 25.
Most likely explanation of that is some kind of injury.
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Post by HC13 on Feb 24, 2023 20:36:08 GMT -5
That was my thought, particularly as she was All-League & 1st team All-State last season
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