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Post by purplehaze on Apr 26, 2021 9:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 26, 2021 10:19:05 GMT -5
Got to love how he includes UNH, Maine, Albany and Stony Brook in the CAA and leaves in Navy and Army in the Patriot League
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Post by gks on Apr 26, 2021 11:12:22 GMT -5
The only other more useless conversation than W&M to the Patriot League is the Fitton Field flood plain.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2021 12:10:24 GMT -5
The only other more useless conversation that W&M to the Patriot League is the Fitton Field flood plain. Yes. W&M to the PL is a total non-starter.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 26, 2021 12:36:30 GMT -5
The only other more useless conversation that W&M to the Patriot League is the Fitton Field flood plain. Yes. W&M to the PL is a total non-starter. Because the PL wouldn't do it or because W&M wouldn't do it?
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Post by hc87 on Apr 26, 2021 13:33:17 GMT -5
Probably won't happen for many of the reasons we've discussed here (location, public, their alumni attitude toward the PL etc etc) but the longah they don't qualify for either the FCS playoffs or the NCAA hoop tourney (which they've nevah qualified for), the PL may look bettah and bettah to them.
They were a charter membah in the PL (nee the Colonial League) but the no scholarships policy scared them off then. Maybe a PL with schollies?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 26, 2021 13:57:28 GMT -5
It is not impossible, but unlikely that W+M will join the PL.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 26, 2021 14:49:55 GMT -5
Wouldn't giving up non medical redshirts be a big factor?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 26, 2021 15:46:43 GMT -5
William & Mary has had many winning basketball seasons in the CAA, unlike the classic case for stubborn adherence to the wrong conference, Fordham. I'll side with those who see zero chance of a W & M move to the PL.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2021 16:49:14 GMT -5
Northeastern would make more sense. North and South PL divisions for some of the minor sports to keep travel reasonable might make sense, too.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2021 16:57:37 GMT -5
Wouldn't giving up non medical redshirts be a big factor? That issue alone makes this a total non-starter. The academic index would also be a factor, although not as big.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2021 16:58:17 GMT -5
Yes. W&M to the PL is a total non-starter. Because the PL wouldn't do it or because W&M wouldn't do it? The latter.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 26, 2021 17:11:05 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for W&M. I lived in VA the last two years of high school and know people who went there (and one who is on the faculty there), but I'm struggling to see how W&M is superior in any way to PL schools. As an example, Williamsburg has its charms and the W& M campus is OK, but I'll take most PL campuses over it any day of the week.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 26, 2021 20:51:12 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for W&M. I lived in VA the last two years of high school and know people who went there (and one who is on the faculty there), but I'm struggling to see how W&M is superior in any way to PL schools. As an example, Williamsburg has its charms and the W& M campus is OK, but I'll take most PL campuses over it any day of the week. William & Mary would be the highest nationally ranked university were it to join the PL, ranked 39th in the US News rankings, ahead of BU (42) Lehigh (49), American (76), etc. Its endowment would be third behind BU and Lehigh. It's got a great academic reputation and until recently was the solid #2 best university in Virginia after UVa., although Virginia Tech has stepped up its game in recent years. But aside from a lower level of competition (and a lot of what you read from W&M is bemoaning how they can't compete in the CAA), I'm not sure what the PL offers them, esp. as what has become a one-bid football league.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 26, 2021 21:44:02 GMT -5
Again, not a question if they are an academic/institutional fit, they obviously are....I can't pretend to know much about their Olympic sports, but the longah they are also-rans in the CAA in football and hoop, the PL is going to look more and more enticing imo.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 27, 2021 0:20:39 GMT -5
W&M Fan: "Our league sucks" HC Fan: "Our league sucks" W&M Fan: "Our league sucks more"
ad infinitum
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Post by timholycross on Apr 27, 2021 4:26:40 GMT -5
The only other more useless conversation than W&M to the Patriot League is the Fitton Field flood plain. And/or turfing the field because of said plain. Which replaced "we should have all sports except basketball & football in Division 3"; major progress, IMHO.
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Post by trimster on Apr 27, 2021 7:55:00 GMT -5
The Richmond message board had a similar 4 page thread under “Are Richmond Athletics Worth Saving?” The PL was offered as a better institutional fit especially if the Spider Administration didn’t want to be more competitive in the CAA and A10. Most felt they would rather see the U of R drop athletics than join the PL.
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Post by trimster on Apr 27, 2021 8:07:39 GMT -5
Northeastern would make more sense. North and South PL divisions for some of the minor sports to keep travel reasonable might make sense, too. What a concept. Competing with mainly neighboring schools in areas where there are many alums and prospective students; minimize travel; maintain or develop natural rivals; people could actually travel to road games and vice versa. Why would you want to do that?
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Post by gks on Apr 27, 2021 13:50:47 GMT -5
The Patriot League has a terrible reputation athletically. It's a tough sell to grab a full-time, mainly football, member.
The League is what it is.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 27, 2021 17:29:01 GMT -5
Bill and Mary would be like adding Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. Far and away superior to the rest of the PL academically and a great member athletically.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 27, 2021 19:08:43 GMT -5
How is W&M "far and away superior" academically to the PL?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 29, 2021 6:58:28 GMT -5
The Richmond message board had a similar 4 page thread under “Are Richmond Athletics Worth Saving?” The PL was offered as a better institutional fit especially if the Spider Administration didn’t want to be more competitive in the CAA and A10. Most felt they would rather see the U of R drop athletics than join the PL. A couple years after leaving the CAA for all sports and joining the Atlantic 10, Richmond was actually seriously considering dropping football scholarships and looking into the Patriot or Pioneer route in football. Richmond football was very mediocre throughout the 1990's and actually lost I believe 14 straight to rival W&M at one point. However, the alumni reaction to the idea of Patriot League football was so bad that the school immediately reversed course and doubled down on scholarship football. So they remained in the A-10 Football Conference (now CAA). Safe to say they never looked back as a year or two later they were in the I-AA playoffs in 2005 and were national champs by 2008. Why anyone would think that Richmond would consider leaving the A-10 today as a full time member is beyond me. This is nothing more than a couple message board posters coming up with weird hypotheticals because they have nothing else better to do. Richmond joining the PL in all sports would be like Butler going back to the Horizon League tomorrow.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 29, 2021 8:22:37 GMT -5
If the PL wants to increase it's athletics profile, W&M ain't it.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 29, 2021 9:28:50 GMT -5
The Richmond message board had a similar 4 page thread under “Are Richmond Athletics Worth Saving?” The PL was offered as a better institutional fit especially if the Spider Administration didn’t want to be more competitive in the CAA and A10. Most felt they would rather see the U of R drop athletics than join the PL. I checked the Richmond Board, but could not find the thread. Do you have the link?
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