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Post by Tom on Jan 24, 2022 13:04:02 GMT -5
Everyone wants to follow the example set by Warren G Harding
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Post by hcpride on Jan 24, 2022 13:28:16 GMT -5
Everyone wants to follow the example set by Warren G Harding Yes. Apparently everyone (from Cuomo to Fauci and well beyond) is now using the word. One interesting tidbit from the article was that the Spanish Influenza was on Warren Harding’s mind (along with other dreary events) when he coined that ‘The return to Normalcy’ slogan.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 24, 2022 14:43:39 GMT -5
And, let us not forget, Warren G. Harding is after all a great role model. Some might posit that Harding's election was an "abnormalcy."
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Post by hcpride on Jan 24, 2022 15:57:49 GMT -5
Normalcy? Isn't the correct word "normality"? 🤭 mm67 November 5, 2021 at 11:03AM Re: Herd Immunity. Does the fact that Worcester has low rates of vaccination & higher rates of infection factor into the decision by HC to continue testing? Hopefully, with higher rates of vaccinations, appropriate masking, distancing & the new game changing Pfizer/Moderna treatments we'll begin to see real improvement in various metrics of covid infections and more movement toward normalcy. Fingers are crossed.[i/]
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Post by mm67 on Jan 24, 2022 16:02:27 GMT -5
Normalcy? Isn't the correct word "normality"? 🤭 mm67 November 5, 2021 at 11:03AM Re: Herd Immunity. Does the fact that Worcester has low rates of vaccination & higher rates of infection factor into the decision by HC to continue testing? Hopefully, with higher rates of vaccinations, appropriate masking, distancing & the new game changing Pfizer/Moderna treatments we'll begin to see real improvement in various metrics of covid infections and more movement toward normalcy. Fingers are crossed.[i/]Dude, relax. Don't be so thin-skinned. You're okay. No need to be "alarmist." Your response is "peculiar," an "abnormalcy." I honestly thought the post would bring a smile. Stay safe. Stay well. mm
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 16:05:39 GMT -5
"Your test results are in Mr. Jones and we have good news. You don't have an abnormality. It's only an abnormalcy."🙂
My mind always wants to correct a speaker who says "this is historical" to "this is historic" but I'm sure both terms are acceptable.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2022 10:25:47 GMT -5
Well, it is not college but today my LI high school (and many others) ditched the mask mandate. (We have no student Covid vaccine mandate, BTW) The kids think it is because somebody suddenly realized (after two years) they are not at risk...actually it is because a NY judge yesterday ruled it unconstitutional and unenforceable. About 85 percent of the kids are mask-less (yesterday they all had masks). Learning has already picked up. Of course, the NY Gov is fighting it and this could be reversed. No word if the local colleges are following suit.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 25, 2022 13:43:43 GMT -5
Well, it is not college but today my LI high school (and many others) ditched the mask mandate. (We have no student Covid vaccine mandate, BTW) The kids think it is because somebody suddenly realized (after two years) they are not at risk...actually it is because a NY judge yesterday ruled it unconstitutional and unenforceable. About 85 percent of the kids are mask-less (yesterday they all had masks). Learning has already picked up. Of course, the NY Gov is fighting it and this could be reversed. No word if the local colleges are following suit. Learning picked up because they ditched the masks??? Weird
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Post by hcpride on Jan 25, 2022 14:07:33 GMT -5
Well, it is not college but today my LI high school (and many others) ditched the mask mandate. (We have no student Covid vaccine mandate, BTW) The kids think it is because somebody suddenly realized (after two years) they are not at risk...actually it is because a NY judge yesterday ruled it unconstitutional and unenforceable. About 85 percent of the kids are mask-less (yesterday they all had masks). Learning has already picked up. Of course, the NY Gov is fighting it and this could be reversed. No word if the local colleges are following suit. Learning picked up because they ditched the masks??? Weird The kids were actively participating and questioning and engaged far more than with a mask. And from their facial expressions I could tell who was getting it and who was not. And could calibrate instruction accordingly. Shouldn’t be a surprise (although it was a great topic of discussion in the faculty room). The most pleased were the overburdened social workers (they apparently eyeball faces and try to read moods more than teachers). This is not to suggest classroom masking has been the most harmful Covid reaction in terms of academic growth. Some of our kids (the ones with the least family support) were really smacked around by remote instruction last year. And learned next to nothing.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 25, 2022 15:19:31 GMT -5
Learning picked up because they ditched the masks??? Weird The kids were actively participating and questioning and engaged far more than with a mask. And from their facial expressions I could tell who was getting it and who was not. And could calibrate instruction accordingly. Shouldn’t be a surprise (although it was a great topic of discussion in the faculty room). The most pleased were the overburdened social workers (they apparently eyeball faces and try to read moods more than teachers). This is not to suggest classroom masking has been the most harmful Covid reaction in terms of academic growth. Some of our kids (the ones with the least family support) were really smacked around by remote instruction last year. And learned next to nothing. Dude, Again you have engaged in a half-truth. It was a procedural decision not based on the constitutionality of requiring masks. The efficacy of masks or the advisability of using masks in school was not the issue. In fact the judge admitted in effect masks work but the Executive Order was not appropriate since a State of Emergency was no longer in effect.Thus, without a State of Emergency the Executive Order violated the constitution of NYS. Legislation passed by the legislature and signed into law is required. The decision is on appeal. The appeal is seeking a stay in the judge'e order.The mandate remains in effect until the appeal is decided. Look we are not a hs class on LI. Please give us credit, be honest. TBT For more than 2 years I have noticed a pattern of selective out of context comments in your posts with the sole purpose of supporting your opinions. Most are aware and do not respond. Your most recent post is another example. Please be honest. I know that as a hs teacher out on the island you are capable of doing much better. I am trying to help you.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 25, 2022 15:33:51 GMT -5
Learning picked up because they ditched the masks??? Weird The kids were actively participating and questioning and engaged far more than with a mask. And from their facial expressions I could tell who was getting it and who was not. And could calibrate instruction accordingly. Shouldn’t be a surprise (although it was a great topic of discussion in the faculty room). The most pleased were the overburdened social workers (they apparently eyeball faces and try to read moods more than teachers). This is not to suggest classroom masking has been the most harmful Covid reaction in terms of academic growth. Some of our kids (the ones with the least family support) were really smacked around by remote instruction last year. And learned next to nothing. Bingo. It's cruel watching kindergartners run around on the playground with masks on. Furthermore, in the classroom, I fear so many elementary school kids (particularly lower-income ones) will have had their cognitive, social, and emotional development significantly stunted as a result of remote learning and mask wearing. I'm glad it seems like people are finally starting to wake up.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 25, 2022 17:44:54 GMT -5
Today Justice Robert Miller on the state appeals court granted a temporary stay.Unsurprisingly, resistance to masks in schools is more widespread in Nassau & Suffolk counties. Hopefully, by the time this works out, Covid will be endemic. NYC schools are unaffected. Masks were mandated prior to Gov. Hochul's order. Peace.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 25, 2022 20:59:10 GMT -5
Today Justice Robert Miller on the state appeals court granted a temporary stay.Unsurprisingly, resistance to masks in schools is more widespread in Nassau & Suffolk counties. Hopefully, by the time this works out, Covid will be endemic. NYC schools are unaffected. Masks were mandated prior to Gov. Hochul's order. Peace. I guess now the education of the kids will go downhill because they now have to wear masks....
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Post by Tom on Jan 26, 2022 9:00:54 GMT -5
Focusing on civics and not the appropriateness of masks, the requirement doesn't sound like something that should come out of an executive order. I get the fact that the rules are a little different during a declared state of emergency, but absent that, the court ruling makes sense to me. In three neighboring towns to me including Worcester, there is a mask mandate for basically everything indoors. However, I believe those are all from the local board of health. That seems like the logical place where something like a mask mandate should come from
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2022 9:41:11 GMT -5
^^^ Massachusetts statewide 7-day average of new COVID cases as of January 25. Detection of COVID virus particles in wastewater stream from Greater Boston communities, north and to the west of the Deer Island treatment plant in Boston harbor. 7-day average is black line. Data as of Jan 25. Detection of COVID virus particles in wastewater stream from communities south of Boston. As a predictor, the virus particle count antedates the positive case count by 3-5 days. ________________________ As of January 27, the number of active student cases is 51. Eighteen of those positive cases are of students who were tested on Jan 26. The total of 51 positives is for the past seven days, as HC ramped up testing with students returning to campus for the spring semester. The number of active employee cases is 43. These are staff positives dating from about January 15. It appears HC clears asymptomatic students within 5-7 days. Staff positive cases can remain 'active' for a longer period, perhaps 10 days, or more.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 27, 2022 10:59:07 GMT -5
PP-Saw on MSNBC there is another Omicron variant, sort of like a first a first cousin. Do you have any info? As always, thank you.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2022 12:13:59 GMT -5
PP-Saw on MSNBC there is another Omicron variant, sort of like a first a first cousin. Do you have any info? As always, thank you. I presume the reference is to BA.2, which has been found globally at this point. It is presently the predominate Omicron variant in Denmark. There are hints it may be even more contagious than BA.1, the 'original' Omicron, but does not cause more severe illness. And I expect that protections against BA.1, e.g., vaccination, will be similarly effective against BA.2. (There is another Omicron variant, BA.3, but that seems to be dead-ending.) For a fuller exposition, see: www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2022/01/26/birth-of-the-omicron-family-ba1-ba2-ba3-each-as-different-as-alpha-is-from-delta/?sh=4bd552733da9(I expect that most here haven't used up their four free articles.) Haseltine is very good. He is now a contributing author for Forbes. You may recall I posted his article in Forbes stating that COVID likely originated in bats in Laos, or close-by China. See bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._HaseltineFauci has posited that it is extremely rare to become re-infected with the same variant. Having been infected with the Alpha variant, you could become re-infected with Delta. However, if you were infected with Delta, it is highly unlikely you would subsequently be re-infected with Delta. That's because, in aa Delta infected individual, the immune system is primed to immediately recognize Delta and initiate an immune response; i.e., an exposure but no infection.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 27, 2022 13:07:25 GMT -5
PP Bless you for your informative factually based post. Thanks.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 27, 2022 13:32:20 GMT -5
So, ipso facto, natural immunity is better than a vaccination?
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Post by alum on Jan 27, 2022 14:36:43 GMT -5
So, ipso facto, natural immunity is better than a vaccination? Wrong. From the CDC "COVID-19 vaccination causes a more predictable immune response than infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine gives most people a high level of protection against COVID-19 and can provide added protection for people who already had COVID-19. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.
All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can offer some protection from future illness, sometimes called “natural immunity,” but the level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age.
Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is also a safer way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccination helps protect you by creating an antibody response without you having to experience sickness. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness. If you get sick, you can spread COVID-19 to others. You can also continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection."So, from both a personal health perspective and a public health perspective, getting vaccinated is the right move--but you knew that already.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 27, 2022 15:06:26 GMT -5
alum, the only issue here is that you are quoting the CDC which is an organization that certain posters feel is not a reliable source for various reasons.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2022 18:22:22 GMT -5
My fully vaccinated grandnephew who plays prep school hoops in New England is tested before every game. Tested positive about 10 days ago. Was asymptomatic at the time of the test, and remains so. His fully vaccinated father, on the other hand, has been sick as a dog with COVID for a week.
The fully vaccinated son of a 'boostered' niece who lives in eastern Massachusetts complained of a sore throat for several days. Tested negative for three straight days, and tested positive yesterday. Today, the boostered father, my niece, and two fully vaccinated other sons are sick with COVID, and have tested positive. The youngest, a daughter in pre-school, is unvaccinated because she is not yet eligible has so far escaped. They thought she had caught it in pre-school about ten days ago, but has tested negative, so far. (None of these tests are PCR tests apparently.)
I have another grandnephew who is having a bar mitzvah this weekend in a warm state, unaffected by snow and wind. I was told today, the quest list has dropped significantly as 30 of his friends have COVID, an d can't pass the required negative COVID test before being allowed in. There is not a small chance that he may test positive before his bar mitzvah.
These are three anecdotal tales, but they should debunk notions that kids catching COVID at school are somehow not contagious. Reducing the spread of COVID in schools reduces the further spread of the virus in households, including extended households.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 27, 2022 22:32:14 GMT -5
/\ I haven’t heard the notion that kids aren’t contagious (debunked or otherwise) but I have heard the notion kids are generally not at risk of severe consequences from Covid (whether the kids are masked or unmasked, socially distanced or close, tested or not tested, in person or remote learning, single/double vaccinated or unvaccinated, boostered or not boostered).
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 27, 2022 22:53:27 GMT -5
My fully vaccinated grandnephew who plays prep school hoops in New England is tested before every game. Tested positive about 10 days ago. Was asymptomatic at the time of the test, and remains so. His fully vaccinated father, on the other hand, has been sick as a dog with COVID for a week. The fully vaccinated son of a 'boostered' niece who lives in eastern Massachusetts had a son who complained of a sore throat for several days. Tested negative for three straight days, and tested positive yesterday. Today, the boostered father, my niece, and two fully vaccinated other sons are sick with COVID, and have tested positive. The youngest, a daughter in pre-school, is unvaccinated because she is not yet eligible has so far escaped. They thought she had caught it in pre-school about ten days ago, but has tested negative, so far. (None of these tests are PCR tests apparently.) I have another grandnephew who is having a bar mitzvah this weekend in a warm state, unaffected by snow and wind. I was told today, the quest list has dropped significantly as 30 of his friends have COVID, an d can't pass the required negative COVID test before being allowed in. There is not a small chance that he may test positive before his bar mitzvah. These are three anecdotal tales, but they should debunk notions that kids catching COVID at school are somehow not contagious. Reducing the spread of COVID in schools reduces the further spread of the virus in households, including extended households. The son of a niece has a son. Is your real name Methuselah?🙂 That puts you in the same generation as a great grandparent and still sharp as a tack. Congratulations!
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2022 23:01:42 GMT -5
My fully vaccinated grandnephew who plays prep school hoops in New England is tested before every game. Tested positive about 10 days ago. Was asymptomatic at the time of the test, and remains so. His fully vaccinated father, on the other hand, has been sick as a dog with COVID for a week. The fully vaccinated son of a 'boostered' niece who lives in eastern Massachusetts had a son who complained of a sore throat for several days. Tested negative for three straight days, and tested positive yesterday. Today, the boostered father, my niece, and two fully vaccinated other sons are sick with COVID, and have tested positive. The youngest, a daughter in pre-school, is unvaccinated because she is not yet eligible has so far escaped. They thought she had caught it in pre-school about ten days ago, but has tested negative, so far. (None of these tests are PCR tests apparently.) I have another grandnephew who is having a bar mitzvah this weekend in a warm state, unaffected by snow and wind. I was told today, the quest list has dropped significantly as 30 of his friends have COVID, an d can't pass the required negative COVID test before being allowed in. There is not a small chance that he may test positive before his bar mitzvah. These are three anecdotal tales, but they should debunk notions that kids catching COVID at school are somehow not contagious. Reducing the spread of COVID in schools reduces the further spread of the virus in households, including extended households. I was fully vaxxed and boosted and had some pretty bad cold symptoms for about five days. I tested positive with a PCR test given by UMass-Memorial which took over 36 hours for the results. I usually get them back from 8-12 hours.
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