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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 12, 2021 16:40:30 GMT -5
Time to trot out (being that we haven't discussed this in weeks!) that Holy Cross has way too many sports for a school its size. I'd rather see fewer sports with greater focus and success. But, don't ask me which ones to cut. My old management 101 expression was "if everything is a priority, nothing is a priority" or, better known, the old expression "you can't be all things to all people" and that would seem to apply to college athletics as well. So, it's all above my pay grade but do wish Marcus, Vince and the BoT would take another look at this. They apparently did in the context of preparing the five year strategic plan for athletics, and decided to cut nothing. They probably didn't want to cut a large-number-of-participants men's sport, like football or ice hockey, or lacrosse, because that would mean fewer males matriculating. And because the M:F ratio at HC is shifting toward females becoming pre-dominant, HC can't cut a women's sport. BostU is 41:59 M/F. the M:F ratio of athletes is 45:55, I look at that as a legacy ratio.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 12, 2021 20:25:45 GMT -5
Besides, who joins a BOT for no pay to become a villain? You buy yourself a lot of anger and accusations when you make that decision and it's not as if MB or Vince get a bonus for eliminating a sport. And when have you read a bio of an AD that says: "at his previous stop he shrank the athletic department."
Colleges drop sports from a position of weakness. HC is strong, not weak.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 12, 2021 20:47:50 GMT -5
There is only one sheet at Marlboro that is even close to being able to host D-1 hockey. Good luck getting that Dude you are so brutal. Why do you post? Have you seen the other rinks??? They might on a good day have seating for 50 people. When you are having problems shooting a D-3 Women's Game between Chatham and Anna Maria to find space, you question even if that is big enough. Here is the seating area for these OTHER rinks
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 12, 2021 20:50:41 GMT -5
Time to trot out (being that we haven't discussed this in weeks!) that Holy Cross has way too many sports for a school its size. I'd rather see fewer sports with greater focus and success. But, don't ask me which ones to cut. My old management 101 expression was "if everything is a priority, nothing is a priority" or, better known, the old expression "you can't be all things to all people" and that would seem to apply to college athletics as well. So, it's all above my pay grade but do wish Marcus, Vince and the BoT would take another look at this. They apparently did in the context of preparing the five year strategic plan for athletics, and decided to cut nothing. They probably didn't want to cut a large-number-of-participants men's sport, like football or ice hockey, or lacrosse, because that would mean fewer males matriculating. And because the M:F ratio at HC is shifting toward females becoming pre-dominant, HC can't cut a women's sport. BostU is 41:59 M/F. the M:F ratio of athletes is 45:55, I look at that as a legacy ratio. Plus Lacrosse is a revenue producer of the school (not the athletic department) since most players are NOT on scholarship...
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 12, 2021 21:47:29 GMT -5
Dude you are so brutal. Why do you post? Have you seen the other rinks??? They might on a good day have seating for 50 people. When you are having problems shooting a D-3 Women's Game between Chatham and Anna Maria to find space, you question even if that is big enough. Here is the seating area for these OTHER rinks They are all seated on the ice. That won't work.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 17, 2021 22:44:14 GMT -5
Understood. Now a consequence of expanding the Hart rink would be HC having no on-campus rink for a year. Labor costs would eat you alive if they tried to do the demolition and construction in six months. So HC will need to rent an ice sheet somewhere. I don't know what's available. The Fidelity Bank Ice Center (two rinks) is used by numerous teams: the "Worcester Railers HC, Worcester White Hawks, Railers Jr. Hockey Club, Junior Railers, Worcester Academy, St. Pauls, B ecker College, [Assumption], Worcester State, WPI Club, and Many More!" I don't know how much it would cost to rent the DCU for six months: if it was $5,000 a day, that's nearly $1 million. My guess is that it would probably be cheaper to rent ice at the New England Sports Center in Marlborough, which has eight rinks, and bus. There is only one sheet at Marlboro that is even close to being able to host D-1 hockey. Good luck getting that Good point. No way the college with the $1B endowment is going to be able to outbid the Boxborough Mites for ice time.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 18, 2021 2:29:29 GMT -5
There is only one sheet at Marlboro that is even close to being able to host D-1 hockey. Good luck getting that Good point. No way the college with the $1B endowment is going to be able to outbid the Boxborough Mites for ice time. Well, why help out a client that is just using you when they feel like it? That facility is booked heavy from November through April everyone knows this. HC has played there a few times when Holy Cross wasn't available. The one time I went, there was lucky to be 500 people there and it was free admission. There were more fans at the other rinks with their kids then in that one.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jun 18, 2021 8:31:02 GMT -5
Good point. No way the college with the $1B endowment is going to be able to outbid the Boxborough Mites for ice time. HC has played there a few times when Holy Cross wasn't available. The one time I went, there was lucky to be 500 people there and it was free admission. There were more fans at the other rinks with their kids then in that one. What does this even mean? I am lost. There is more fans at a youth hockey game than at a college hockey game?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 18, 2021 10:22:50 GMT -5
If necessary, HC can make arrangements with Babson College, to use the Babson College Skating Center which seats 600, for actual games if the Marlboro Rink is not available. There are temporary options available if necessary while the Hart Rink is under repair for 6-12 months.
No sense having a tizzy regarding home ice, on mere speculation at this point, regarding possible renovation, until the architectural study has been completed and approved by the BOT.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 18, 2021 13:49:37 GMT -5
If HC paid, Polar Park would install an outdoor rink like they do at other ballparks and rent it for as many games as HC had money for. It's like stockbrokers used to say, they're in the moving business, not the storage business.
They do have some indoor club seating. I'm assuming the Saders will skate in that park at some point anyway. In an orphan season that could be used for games in the meat of the season so as to get the most use out of it while it's up with some opponents adjusting the home and home to bunch up games in say a three week period.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 18, 2021 14:14:23 GMT -5
Wut?
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Post by HC92 on Jun 18, 2021 15:18:45 GMT -5
For the record, if we have to give up home ice for a season in order to have an arena for the next 30 years that will put our facilities on par with, or better than, our peer D1 schools in the northeast, sign me up.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 18, 2021 16:00:50 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that if HC has to have a season without the Hart Center rink to get an improved facility, and they will be renting local rinks, then perhaps the extra fans and higher ticket price that a few winter classics at Polar Park would bring would make that a good addition to the mix. The flaw in this theory could be that a stadium needs to have 35,000 or 60,000 seats like Fenway or Gillette to make the cost of temporary ice feasible. Not sure what the costs are. The other point is it's nice to have a new pro-HC partner in the Woo Sox that is very keen to be creative and keep the turnstiles moving at Polar Park. I am confident the Woo Sox would be a go on hockey games if the cost is feasible.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 18, 2021 16:17:45 GMT -5
People would go to one outdoor game. They ain't biting on this novelty while freezing their asses off multiple times vs AHA opponents.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 18, 2021 21:22:43 GMT -5
Maybe Polar Park could put the sheet down and have the Railers play while it is on the field to get economy of scale. Defending National Champions UMass might be interested in hosting a game there.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 18, 2021 23:22:24 GMT -5
^ Trust me, they're not.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 19, 2021 8:20:21 GMT -5
People would go to one outdoor game. They ain't biting on this novelty while freezing their asses off multiple times vs AHA opponents. Not like Downtown Worcester would be on the same level as having Lake Tahoe in the background, either. That was spectacular.
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Post by ignatius on Jun 28, 2021 16:46:36 GMT -5
Good point. No way the college with the $1B endowment is going to be able to outbid the Boxborough Mites for ice time. Well, why help out a client that is just using you when they feel like it? That facility is booked heavy from November through April everyone knows this. HC has played there a few times when Holy Cross wasn't available. The one time I went, there was lucky to be 500 people there and it was free admission. There were more fans at the other rinks with their kids then in that one. Take a hike, Foley.
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Post by crossbball13 on Jun 28, 2021 18:49:11 GMT -5
Well, why help out a client that is just using you when they feel like it? That facility is booked heavy from November through April everyone knows this. HC has played there a few times when Holy Cross wasn't available. The one time I went, there was lucky to be 500 people there and it was free admission. There were more fans at the other rinks with their kids then in that one. Take a hike, Foley. A hockey facility that feels like it’s being “used” by a hockey team — imagine!
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Post by crusader12 on Jun 30, 2021 11:18:14 GMT -5
HC is hiring an architect to examine what could be done, and the cost. Desired features include new locker rooms, student lounges. Options for more seating, build a mezzanine. Another option is to expand the footprint by building on the road that circles the Hart. Added seating would not be to bring seating to 4,000. For those sorts of games, would play at DCU. Been there, done that. I won’t hold my breath. Nothing will ever happen with the rink. Don’t get sucked down the rabbit hole of false hope for HC Hockey.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 30, 2021 12:04:15 GMT -5
HC is hiring an architect to examine what could be done, and the cost. Desired features include new locker rooms, student lounges. Options for more seating, build a mezzanine. Another option is to expand the footprint by building on the road that circles the Hart. Added seating would not be to bring seating to 4,000. For those sorts of games, would play at DCU. Been there, done that. I won’t hold my breath. Nothing will ever happen with the rink. Don’t get sucked down the rabbit hole of false hope for HC Hockey. I hope you’re wrong but I fear you are right.
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Post by nhteamer on Jun 30, 2021 12:34:40 GMT -5
silk purse
sow's ear
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Post by Ignutz on Jun 30, 2021 13:18:34 GMT -5
Which was actually accomplished by scientists at Arthur D. Little about 100 years ago. (They also managed to create a lead balloon in the 1970s.) And now you know the rest of the story...........................
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 30, 2021 13:39:28 GMT -5
Which was actually accomplished by scientists at Arthur D. Little about 100 years ago. (They also managed to create a lead balloon in the 1970s.) And now you know the rest of the story........................... Paul Harvey's grave is heaving with laughter at that quip.😂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 30, 2021 16:32:41 GMT -5
The rink was built in 1975. >It is at or near the end of its useful design life. >It, like the other parts of the original Hart, was economically built. >It is the last remaining Hart facility that has not been rebuilt since it was constructed.
So these are the choices. 1.) Do nothing. 2.) Repair the rink, without changes. 3.) Study the comparative cost of repairing the rink (2.) or repairing and improving the rink with two options: 3.a., improve the space for the men's team, no significant change in seating capacity; 3.b., improve the space for the men's team, and increase seating. My understanding is that 3.a., entails moving the rink footprint onto the adjacent road.
3.a. was the path taken for M/W hoops with the Hart reconstruction done as part of Luth.
1. leads you to abandoning ice hockey sometime in the future.
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